GDT 2/26 GDT : Red Wings 3 at San Jose Sharks 2

[Internet.Unknown 422]

The Arby's announcer sounds like the guy who sings the Grinch song. Anyone else notice that?

Isn't it James Ear Jones?

Nope. It's the guy who used to voice Tony the Tiger. Name was Thurl Ravenscroft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurl_Ravenscroft

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

Looks like Smith landed heavily on his shoulder. Odds Couture sees any disciplinary action?

Babcock smile sighting

On the second replay they showed it looked to me like his head struck the ice extremely hard, which had me worried. I was tired though so maybe I saw it wrong.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Decided to read the Sharks GDT on HFBoards.....Mother of God. Same usual nonsense, "refs refuse to call penalties on the wings", "subtle interference", "refs love the wings", "typical diving red wings", LOL.

Makes it even sweeter to beat a team whose fans are that clueless.

Edited February 27, 2015 by Hockeytown0001

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Short term him, call up Jensen or Sproul, boom, two r-l pairs

[sleepwalker 512]

Funny that the lame ass sharks fans always complain about the refs, especially considering the refs last night were clearly ignoring a lot of obvious calls against the sharks to try to help them out.

So glad the Wings won in regulation, so the sharks didn't even get the loser point.

Stay butthurt, little fish fans.

[kipwinger 8,522]

Decided to read the Sharks GDT on HFBoards.....Mother of God. Same usual nonsense, "refs refuse to call penalties on the wings", "subtle interference", "refs love the wings", "typical diving red wings", LOL.

Makes it even sweeter to beat a team whose fans are that clueless.

Read back through our GDT. It's no different. Our insistence that the refs are A) out to get us, B) the reason we're playing bad is EASILY the most annoying thing about our fan base. We'd win the President's Trophy every year if it weren't for the refs and/or Jakub Kindl.

[rick zombo 3,739]

Read back through our GDT. It's no different. Our insistence that the refs are A) out to get us, B) the reason we're playing bad is EASILY the most annoying thing about our fan base. We'd win the President's Trophy every year if it weren't for the refs and/or Jakub Kindl.

But the refs really are out to get the Wings

[kipwinger 8,522]

But the refs really are out to get the Wings

I know. I really do know.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Read back through our GDT. It's no different. Our insistence that the refs are A) out to get us, B) the reason we're playing bad is EASILY the most annoying thing about our fan base. We'd win the President's Trophy every year if it weren't for the refs and/or Jakub Kindl.

Only difference is that we have legitimate gripes against the officiating, whereas most other fans can only regurgitate the "subtle interferencceeee!!!!" nonsense they memorized from Edzo.

I literally LOL'd when I saw them complaining that the Wings dive, not recognizing that their own team makes Olympic divers jealous.

Edited February 27, 2015 by Hockeytown0001

[kipwinger 8,522]

Only difference is that we have legitimate gripes against the officiating, whereas most other fans can only regurgitate the "subtle interferencceeee!!!!" nonsense they memorized from Edzo.

I literally LOL'd when I saw them complaining that the Wings dive, not recognizing that their own team makes Olympic divers jealous.

We don't have legitimate gripes about the officiating. That's the problem. We're consistently one of the LEAST PENALIZED teams in the league. AND we're consistently GIVEN THE MOST POWERPLAYS.

Very few, if any, teams go to the box less, or go on the man advantage more. Them's the facts. I'd give the theory some credence if we never got a powerplay, or if we were always in the box. But neither of those things are true.

But for whatever reason our fans have internalized this belief that everybody is out to get them. Bettman hates us. The refs are throwing games. The media doesn't recognize our star players.

It's all bologna. SUPER, duper, annoying bologna.

Edited February 27, 2015 by kipwinger

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

We don't have legitimate gripes about the officiating. That's the problem. We're consistently one of the LEAST PENALIZED teams in the league. AND we're consistently GIVEN THE MOST POWERPLAYS.

Very few, if any, teams go to the box less, or go on the man advantage more. Them's the facts. I'd give the theory some credence if we never got a powerplay, or if we were always in the box. But neither of those things are true.

But for whatever reason our fans have internalized this belief that everybody is out to get them. Bettman hates us. The refs are throwing games. The media doesn't recognize our star players.

It's all bologna. SUPER, duper, annoying bologna.

We got screwed in the 2009 Finals so we deserve reparations from the NHL.

[sleepwalker 512]

LOL

I still remember that it was Dennis LaRue specifically that screwed us back then, intentionally allowing the Pens to play with 6 men for like 30 full seconds.

He was also the ******* that blew down the notorious Brad May goal. It was such a bad call that Mike Murphy, who never admits the refs did anything wrong, actually in the intro to the next game said LaRue made the wrong call, and the league told him so, but he used his on-ice authority to overturn Torontos ruling.

Yeah....fans don't forget things so easily...

[kipwinger 8,522]

LOL

I still remember that it was Dennis LaRue specifically that screwed us back then, intentionally allowing the Pens to play with 6 men for like 30 full seconds.

He was also the ******* that blew down the notorious Brad May goal. It was such a bad call that Mike Murphy, who never admits the refs did anything wrong, actually in the intro to the next game said LaRue made the wrong call, and the league told him so, but he used his on-ice authority to overturn Torontos ruling.

Yeah....fans don't forget things so easily...

Sure they do. I bet you can't remember a single time in which a bad call disproportionately benefited the Red Wings. Does that mean it's never happened? Or just that it's easily forgotten when it's in your favor?

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

I believe everything evens out in the end.

The refs miss some for us, and some against us, same goes for every other team.

The only difference is were paying closer attention to the ones missed on is because those are our guys.

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

We don't have legitimate gripes about the officiating. That's the problem. We're consistently one of the LEAST PENALIZED teams in the league. AND we're consistently GIVEN THE MOST POWERPLAYS.

Very few, if any, teams go to the box less, or go on the man advantage more. Them's the facts. I'd give the theory some credence if we never got a powerplay, or if we were always in the box. But neither of those things are true.

But for whatever reason our fans have internalized this belief that everybody is out to get them. Bettman hates us. The refs are throwing games. The media doesn't recognize our star players.

It's all bologna. SUPER, duper, annoying bologna.

I complain about the officiating sometimes but that doesn't mean I think there's some league wide conspiracy. I feel like you saw some posters say this and now stamp It on anyone who disagrees with a call. I generally complain about officiating both ways, simply because I hate the inconsistency. Take last night's game for example, I thought both PPs that led to goals were terrible calls, one was horribly weak interference and the other wasn't a hook but rather someone (Burns?) just taking Datsyuk's stick away. I also don't think the amount of PPs or PKs given is relevant here. Just because you only take 1 penalty in a game doesn't mean that penalty was a good call.

I believe everything evens out in the end.

The refs miss some for us, and some against us, same goes for every other team.

The only difference is were paying closer attention to the ones missed on is because those are our guys.

This is about how I feel about it too. I try not to get too upset with bad calls because I know we'll be on the benefitting side of one probably the next game.

Sure they do. I bet you can't remember a single time in which a bad call disproportionately benefited the Red Wings. Does that mean it's never happened? Or just that it's easily forgotten when it's in your favor?

It seems like based on this post you believe you're the only fan who's able to judge officiating objectively, lol. Edited February 27, 2015 by Wheelchairsuperhero

[kipwinger 8,522]

I complain about the officiating sometimes but that doesn't mean I think there's some league wide conspiracy. I feel like you saw some posters say this and now stamp It on anyone who disagrees with a call. I generally complain about officiating both ways, simply because I hate the inconsistency. Take last night's game for example, I thought both PPs that led to goals were terrible calls, one was horribly weak interference and the other wasn't a hook but rather someone (Burns?) just taking Datsyuk's stick away. I also don't think the amount of PPs or PKs given is relevant here. Just because you only take 1 penalty in a game doesn't mean that penalty was a good call.

Agreed. Bad calls happen all the time. However, I disagree that the number of penalties doesn't matter. If we're taking less penalties, and getting more powerplays, then there is a much lower likelihood that a bad call will effect us negatively. In fact, given how disproportionately we benefit from penalty distribution I'd actually argue that we're SIGNIFICANTLY more likely to benefit from a bad call than be negatively affected by one over the course of a season.

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

Agreed. Bad calls happen all the time. However, I disagree that the number of penalties doesn't matter. If we're taking less penalties, and getting more powerplays, then there is a much lower likelihood that a bad call will effect us negatively. In fact, given how disproportionately we benefit from penalty distribution I'd actually argue that we're SIGNIFICANTLY more likely to benefit from a bad call than be negatively affected by one over the course of a season.

I can agree with that. I meant that the overall number doesn't matter when you're just judging a call on an individual basis. If it's a s***ty call it's a s***ty call so to speak, whether there's 4 in a game or 8. Saying that the Wings are benefitting more from bad calls this year I'd say is accurate. Don't know why it is, the style of game they play?

[kipwinger 8,522]

I can agree with that. I meant that the overall number doesn't matter when you're just judging a call on an individual basis. If it's a s***ty call it's a s***ty call so to speak, whether there's 4 in a game or 8. Saying that the Wings are benefitting more from bad calls this year I'd say is accurate. Don't know why it is, the style of game they play?

And I don't mind calling a spade a spade. A bad call IS a bad call, no matter who it's for or against. What irritates me is this persistent need to bellyache when a call goes against us, as if none have ever gone in our favor.

As far as why we get calls? I don't know. However, I'd venture to guess it's partially because A) we're good, and bad teams (or teams playing badly) tend to take more penalties, and B) we're historically very disciplined (so we get the benefit of the doubt).

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

And I don't mind calling a spade a spade. A bad call IS a bad call, no matter who it's for or against. What irritates me is this persistent need to bellyache when a call goes against us, as if none have ever gone in our favor.

As far as why we get calls? I don't know. However, I'd venture to guess it's partially because A) we're good, and bad teams (or teams playing badly) tend to take more penalties, and B) we're historically very disciplined (so we get the benefit of the doubt).

Fair enough. I'll admit I get extremely irritated when a call is missed. I generally get over it pretty quickly though when my rational brain decides to take over (sober brain?). I guess I just don't see many posters throwing around ideas of conspiracy against the Wings anymore and when you posted I felt like I was kind of lumped into that category. But maybe you're just referring to people you talk to outside of this board too.

[Smite 399]

NHL Player Safety ‏@NHLPlayerSafety 4m

4 minutes ago

San Jose's Logan Couture has been fined $5,000, the maximum allowable under the CBA, for slew-footing Detroit's Brendan Smith.

Peanuts from someone making 3mil per year

Edited February 27, 2015 by Smite

[number9 3,297]

Peanuts from someone making 3mil per year

DON'T TOUCH MY SMITTY

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

What a joke.

[ami 273]

Unfortunately those odds can only be expressed as an imaginary number.

did you mean 0+0j ?

I feel the same way about Manchester United, but what do they have anything to do with this?

What made you think MU?

I meant Chris (not Wayne): http://hockey.getthemrated.com/game/red-wings-vs-sharks-4/

I hope that fine wont go to referees' bonus fund.

Edited February 27, 2015 by ami

[kipwinger 8,522]

I'm curious about why the maximum fine allowed is only $5,000 bucks and who wants it that way, owner or players?

We keep talking about how there needs to be stiffer penalties for cheapshots, but stiffer penalties aren't allowed. So the question seems to be, "who isn't allowing it?". And I'll be a dollar to a doughnut that it's the NHLPA. They're the ones who are losing the money. They're the ones who benefit from curtailing league unilateralism. Why would the owners, league, etc. limit their own power to protect their own investments? Doesn't make sense.

Edited February 27, 2015 by kipwinger

[sleepwalker 512]

@kipwinger

Yes, I can remember a incident where a bad call benefitted the Wings. The first thing that comes to mind is that puck that came up and obviously hit the netting and we scored on because of a blown non-call by the refs.

BTW, what is up with the quote and copy/paste function STILL not working for a large number of us for the past like TWO years despite bringing it up many times to mods?