trade Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

I can't wait to see who we acquire in our next trade, in the year 2019.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I do think Janmark has upside. Don't doubt it at all. But he is far too unproven to have much in the way of trade value. While it would have been nice to package him in bringing in a right handed dman, it would be a pipedream due to his lack of trade value. Guys like Pulks have some trade value. Not Janmark. Not even gonna mention Backman as he is damaged goods as far as the Wings go. He was never going to play here, and other GM's know that. He literally had no trade value as long as he was our prospect. The 2nd rounder is the biggest part of this trade that we gave up. Not the end of the world as we still have our first, and if things dont work out and the Wings don't make a run this year, we get the Stars 3rd rounder. Which is not at all far back from where our 2nd rounder is really. 20 spots down tops? Which makes little difference in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And if we don't get that 3rd? That's because we make the final 4. And if we do make the final 4, I'd bet my left ******** Cole would be an important part of that.

I got no problems with the picks involved , you never know if those guys will be player or not ... I personally would of added a pick next year and kept janmark but somehow I have feeling Nill wanted him

And your probably right he doesn't have much value to be used in a package deal for someone I'd just rather of kept him and waited till his value gone up and if he was a bust he was a bust

But what do I know? Every pick we choose we never know what will happen to them ... I thought "hat trick dick" would of been a star here and also he's swedish ... Last 2 years seems we're getting rid of all our swedes lol there all extinct now ... Axel holmstrom is our only hope

I dunno, Pulkkinen's matched Jurco's goal total (2) in far fewer games, and he's just getting warmed up. Cole is, at this time, basically a better Jurco (big, physical goal-scorer with good wheels). Pulkkinen gives us a dimension that no one else does.

I think pulkkinen on the bottom 6 playing against teams bottom pairs and 3rd d pairings could be a huge player for us in the playoffs and provide us with some offence

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

I can't wait to see who we acquire in our next trade, in the year 2019.

This guy

[Yzerfan87 146]

I can't wait to see who we acquire in our next trade, in the year 2019.

Three years in a row now he's made a deal. Quincey, Legwand, Cole.

Or was Q a year before that?

[anthonyn66 89]

Well that could be true but janmark never really had a shot here and he's 22 ... Don't bite my head off I'm not comparing him to datsyuk or zetterberg but if I'm right both didn't play in the ahl either and both werent in the nhl at 22 ?

And as much as we love and hope larkin athanasiou mantha are gonna be top nhl guys ....daigle and Stefan were first overall picks and never did anything so we never know what happens until these guys all play

Works both ways bud, you keep raving about Janmark's upside and how he wasn't given a chance, what if he flopped? Guess we'll never know

[The Greek 323]

I bet Babcock is super excited to fit Cole into the lineup.

If you read Kukla's korner, trades like this one are the reason babs can't wait to get out of town. 😏

[GoWings1905 2,694]

True that. He should'nt stand pat on the blueline is all. Grab us somebody. Anybody. And grab us somebody while were waiting.

I don't entirely disagree. I'm scared of the price for Phaneuf, but I would be very happy adding Zidlicky tomorrow.

[chaps80 1,591]

This guy

Well, hes just starting to show promise. By 2019 he should be just starting his prime years.

[amato 3,210]

I can't wait to see who we acquire in our next trade, in the year 2019.

In 2019 we don't need a trade.. we'll just sign kovalchuk

[WingsAlways 486]

This guy

Soon there's going to be more traveling Jagrs than the entire Columbus fanbase.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

Three years in a row now he's made a deal. Quincey, Legwand, Cole.

Or was Q a year before that?

LOL. I'd like to forget that first trade, and the Legwand one I already forgot.

You'd think that Holland's trades are so few and far between that they'd be memorable, but I guess that's not true.

[TheXym 2,606]

I was surprised by this, as I thought Dallas would resign him since he had good chemistry with Spezza. I liked Janmark as a prospect, but I think he is a C+/B- level prospect with upside. Backman, as others have said, likely burned his bridges and isn't much of a loss as he wasn't going to make the big show in Detroit. I think it was a fair trade with a big early advantage for the Wings if he stays healthy. I also agree with the Dallas Drake analogy. Kenny has done well with this one.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

I dunno, Pulkkinen's matched Jurco's goal total (2) in far fewer games, and he's just getting warmed up. Cole is, at this time, basically a better Jurco (big, physical goal-scorer with good wheels). Pulkkinen gives us a dimension that no one else does.

That's one way of putting it. You could also say that Pulkkinen in has the same number of points (2) in 12 games as Daniel Cleary has in 13 games.

I really like Pulkkinen and I think he could be a real player, but I just think for him to be in the lineup come playoff time, he'll have to put up more points in the rest of the season. He does give us a different dimension, but it's a scoring dimension and he has to prove himself effective. He's not a player that would work in a 4th line role. Jurco can pull that off so I think he'd get in the lineup over Pulkkinen because of that.

[achildr1 255]

No.

Noone wouldve given us a third rounder for those two right now, so no. They are not worth a third.

And in the grand scheme of things, of course jagrs better than cole, he's fifth in all time scoring.

But Coles got more points this year, is more physical, and is faster.

I think you're wrong. Just because some team wouldn't trade a 3rd for them at the deadline (a fact I'm not even convinced of) doesn't mean that they aren't worth it. Backman is what you'd could hope a 3rd rounder turns out to be...im sure Arizona or Toronto would love to turn a 3rd round pick into a known, young commodity with a decent upside. They'd probably rather do it at the draft tho...not midseason when Backman already went back to Sweden.

That's one way of putting it. You could also say that Pulkkinen in has the same number of points (2) in 12 games as Daniel Cleary has in 13 games.

I really like Pulkkinen and I think he could be a real player, but I just think for him to be in the lineup come playoff time, he'll have to put up more points in the rest of the season. He does give us a different dimension, but it's a scoring dimension and he has to prove himself effective. He's not a player that would work in a 4th line role. Jurco can pull that off so I think he'd get in the lineup over Pulkkinen because of that.

Jurco should be in GR playing real minutes. Pulkks is destroying the AHL and is the RH point shot on the PP that we need and the one-timer weapon that we've been missing for years. They should have been traded for each other a month and a half ago. Instead, Jurco is buried and getting crap minutes.

On a side note, the Nill showing up Holland train is just beginning. I met both of them (Holland and Nill) in Traverse City this summer and i felt confirmation of the vibe i've always had...that Nill was a way bigger piece of the puzzle and may have actually been the smart guy in the room in his time with the Wings. Nill just got two nice prospects, one (in Backman) who i read several good reviews on, and a 2nd round pick for a 36 year old UFA. Thats huge...and he did it to a GM he used to work under and got prospects he knows intimately. Its best case scenario.

Edited March 2, 2015 by achildr1

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

Three years in a row now he's made a deal. Quincey, Legwand, Cole.

Or was Q a year before that?

Just had another thought. One of those trades was with Yzerman and the other was with Jim Nill. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but they are Holland's proteges.

[twopups 19]

Hey if it works out it's a damn good start at redemption for the Legwand trade.

Ya well, name just one player, Manager or GM that has ever batted 1000.

[luvmnger 125]

Just had another thought. One of those trades was with Yzerman and the other was with Jim Nill. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but they are Holland's proteges.

dont jinx us....you know who runs the leafs...dont you?

[greenrebellion 415]

Ya well, name just one player, Manager or GM that has ever batted 1000.

Holland doesn't regret the Legrand trade. The organization wanted to continue the streak and that wasn't happening with Andersson on the top line.

Fans may not agree with making a push for the playoffs and giving up Jarnkrok but the trade did accomplish its goal.

I would make that deal again today as it is highly probable we miss the playoffs without Legwand. The streak may mean nothing to many fans but it does mean something to the coaches, the players, the management, the Illitch's etc.

[hooon 1,089]

I hope this works out as a Dallas Drake type of move. Cole is still a pretty serviceable player and has looked good in the games I've watched him play. I'm not all that beat up about the guys we gave up, don't really see that they had a great chance to make the team next year.

[hockeybrianboy 6]

Backman went back to Sweden, in this org that means your chances of seeing the NHL are probably done. And as many other people have noticed; Detroit has too many young forwards as it is. Still got Larkin and Mantha to find a spot for. That 2nd round draft pick wouldn't have seen the NHL ice for at least 5 years so not a big deal. Especially if they can resign him it'll be worth it. Detroit could certainly use some big forward depth if they want to go deep and Cole can fill that role.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

dont jinx us....you know who runs the leafs...dont you?

Was Shanahan ever in the Wings front office with Holland?

I hope this works out as a Dallas Drake type of move. Cole is still a pretty serviceable player and has looked good in the games I've watched him play. I'm not all that beat up about the guys we gave up, don't really see that they had a great chance to make the team next year.

Cole is better than Drake at the same stage in their careers that Detroit acquired them.

[achildr1 255]

dont jinx us....you know who runs the leafs...dont you?

Ha! Exactly!

It's so awesome that we let Shanahan, Yzerman, and Nill walk and have Holland and Ryan Martin now. Anybody ever seen Holland and Martin in person? Especially Martin. Oh...I love Fischer, but he does not seem like a guy that should end up in the front office.

Holland and Martin both seem like huge pushovers, with Martin looking like and giving the vibe that he's never played hockey (although he may have) and has no clue what he's talking about. Nill, Yzerman, and Shanahan all have experience and the "i run the ship" look and personas. Im still pissed about how Ilitch asked Holland to step up and let Yzerman in and he wouldn't...YZerman should have been the face of this franchise and I'm sure Holland still would have had his prospect-giving-away hands all over everything anyway...

[Echolalia 2,961]

I guess I'm joining the party a bit late.

My thoughts (which seem to echo many of the folks in here based on my read-through):

Cole, conditional 3rd <-> Backman, Janmark, 2nd.

Backman is a nonasset in the Wings' organization. He couldn't break the lineup in GR (or refused to), and high-tailed it back to Sweden. Combine that with the fact that half of our NHL lineup is relatively young (Smith, DeKeyser, Quincey, Kindl, Lashoff) and we have several guys banging on the door (Oulette, Marchenko, Sproul), and its pretty clear that Backman didn't have a future in Detroit. So kudos to Kenny for turning a nonasset into a roster player, and if Jim Nill can get Backman over to the NHL, then good for the Stars and good for Backman. But that opportunity doesn't exist for him in Detroit.

Janmark I don't know much about, admittedly. I know a couple posters are pretty high on the kid, but I personally haven't heard much, but he's also buried pretty deep on the depth chart. We have a lot of young forwards on the team that are playing well, and again, a lot that are in the pipeline. I don't know if Janmark will ever have the opportunity to break the Wings' lineup, so again, this looks like Holland is getting value out of a player who, by himself, likely doesn't have any value in the Wings organization.

So from how I'm looking at, the 2nd round pick was the Wings' most devastating loss in this trade, and if we don't get to the ECF (or we do but Cole doesn't play in at least 50% of the games to get us there), then the Wings have a 3rd round pick from Dallas coming back to soften that blow. So as far as trade value, I think Holland did a good job. I'm not sure what the Stars prospect pool looks like, but if its pretty shallow and these kids can come in and contribute, then Nill probably did well also and its a fair trade.

As for what Cole brings to the table: I have him pegged as someone similar to Abdelkader, except Cole has been scoring a bit more this year, but both are big bodies that can wear down on the other team, and are most comfortable in the greasy areas of the ice. With Franzen out until further notice, it will be good to have another big body to round out our top six, and I can see that coming in quite valuable in the playoffs, especially considering the manner in which the Wings lost to the Bruins last year. So I think Cole can contribute and be a difference maker. The biggest knock on the guy is that he's up there in age, but looking at his ppg over the last few seasons, he's actually been trending upward. 2011-2012 was his most productive year at .74ppg and 35 goals. The following year he was destroyed by injuries and posted .276 in only a handful of games. The year after he played 75 of 82 games and had a .39ppg. This year he's at .578ppg and has played 57 of the Stars 62 games. So as far as how much age is allegedly slowing him down, its pretty hard to assess, actually. His numbers took a sharp hit when he had that injury-plagued year in 2012-2013, but since then he's steadily been getting better, and hasn't missed too many games either, although he has yet to reach his .74ppg from 2011-2012. At the very least he has shown he can still contribute, and its even more encouraging to see that hes trending up and not down.

Overall I'm pleased with the trade. I think Holland did a good job of getting something out of "nothing", and I think he targeted a piece that will make the Wings a more well-rounded, and more difficult team to play against. Also, for those of you upset about the trade, think of it this way: Cole on the team likely bumps Andersson from the top 12.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

I think you're wrong. Just because some team wouldn't trade a 3rd for them at the deadline (a fact I'm not even convinced of) doesn't mean that they aren't worth it. Backman is what you'd could hope a 3rd rounder turns out to be...im sure Arizona or Toronto would love to turn a 3rd round pick into a known, young commodity with a decent upside. They'd probably rather do it at the draft tho...not midseason when Backman already went back to Sweden.

Jurco should be in GR playing real minutes. Pulkks is destroying the AHL and is the RH point shot on the PP that we need and the one-timer weapon that we've been missing for years. They should have been traded for each other a month and a half ago. Instead, Jurco is buried and getting crap minutes.

On a side note, the Nill showing up Holland train is just beginning. I met both of them (Holland and Nill) in Traverse City this summer and i felt confirmation of the vibe i've always had...that Nill was a way bigger piece of the puzzle and may have actually been the smart guy in the room in his time with the Wings. Nill just got two nice prospects, one (in Backman) who i read several good reviews on, and a 2nd round pick for a 36 year old UFA. Thats huge...and he did it to a GM he used to work under and got prospects he knows intimately. Its best case scenario.

What part of Backman career makes him a known commodity?

The part where he couldn't crack the griffins lineup, or the fact that he ran back to sweden at the first sign of adversity?because anyone that would trade a third round pick for that is bananas.

[number9 3,297]

So right now we're looking at something like this:

Tatar - Datsyuk - Cole

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader

Weiss - Sheahan - Glendening

Miller - Andersson - Cleary

Pulkkinen

If everyone gets healthy (I know I included zberg in the first lineup, he's almost back)

Tatar - Datsyuk - Cole

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader

Helm - Sheahan - Franzen

Miller - Weiss - Glendening

All 4 of those line can be a threat defensively and offensively. That's pretty sick. Now the defense...