trade Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

[hockeybrianboy 6]

Don't think people know how good Cole really still is. He's big, still fast and on pace to score 20, maybe close to 25 goals this year. And you gave away a prospect who burned all his bridges was never going to see NHL ice with the wings and was buried behind a ton of defensive prospects already and a decent forward prospect but Detroit already has a surplus of young PROVEN NHL quality forwards. Draft pick wasn't going to see the NHL ice for 5 years either. Got proven NHL player for no one that was going to see the NHL ice any time soon. Perfectly good trade.

So right now we're looking at something like this:

Tatar - Datsyuk - Cole

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader

Weiss - Sheahan - Glendening

Miller - Andersson - Cleary

Pulkkinen

If everyone gets healthy (I know I included zberg in the first lineup, he's almost back)

Tatar - Datsyuk - Cole

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader

Helm - Sheahan - Franzen

Miller - Weiss - Glendening

All 4 of those line can be a threat defensively and offensively. That's pretty sick. Now the defense...

Put Cole on the third line with Sheahan and Helm and we'd have the best third line in the playoffs. The top two lines would see the other teams top two D pairs but that third line could murder most teams getting to play against their 3rd D pair.

Edited March 2, 2015 by hockeybrianboy

[chaps80 1,591]

Ha! Exactly!

It's so awesome that we let Shanahan, Yzerman, and Nill walk and have Holland and Ryan Martin now. Anybody ever seen Holland and Martin in person? Especially Martin. Oh...I love Fischer, but he does not seem like a guy that should end up in the front office.

Holland and Martin both seem like huge pushovers, with Martin looking like and giving the vibe that he's never played hockey (although he may have) and has no clue what he's talking about. Nill, Yzerman, and Shanahan all have experience and the "i run the ship" look and personas. Im still pissed about how Ilitch asked Holland to step up and let Yzerman in and he wouldn't...YZerman should have been the face of this franchise and I'm sure Holland still would have had his prospect-giving-away hands all over everything anyway...

I agree they never should have let Yzerman go. How many franchises have their former career or prime to retirement star players running things somewhere in their organization? Yzerman should have been with the Wings for as long as he wanted to be after all he did.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

So right now we're looking at something like this:

Tatar - Datsyuk - Cole

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader

Weiss - Sheahan - Glendening

Miller - Andersson - Cleary

Pulkkinen

If everyone gets healthy (I know I included zberg in the first lineup, he's almost back)

Tatar - Datsyuk - Cole

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader

Helm - Sheahan - Franzen

Miller - Weiss - Glendening

All 4 of those line can be a threat defensively and offensively. That's pretty sick. Now the defense...

Wheres the jerk?

[number9 3,297]

Wheres the jerk?

In GR feedin Pulks

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

In GR feedin Pulks

Put athanasiou in between them and you've got yourself a deal!

Or nosek...

Cuz athanasiou and mantha are playing pretty well together, from what I've read.

Edited March 2, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[achildr1 255]

What part of Backman career makes him a known commodity?

The part where he couldn't crack the griffins lineup, or the fact that he ran back to sweden at the first sign of adversity?because anyone that would trade a third round pick for that is bananas.

Nill just traded a 3rd round pick for that if we don't make it to the ECF...is he nuts? Is Backman going back to Sweden to possibly save his career and actually get ice time completely indicative of his attitude...or maybe theres more we don't know and he just made the best decision for his career? Backman was said to have Top 4 NHL potential but he was going to be at least a #3 dman, if not #4, in GR.

Nill is a smart man. I think he was more important than we knew and I, personally, wish he were our GM. The bottom line is, on a franchise that can offer ice time, Backman is every bit worth a 3rd rounder. He is still young enough to make it basically like taking him with that pick...and he would very much be a good enough prospect in Dallas' system to be worth a 3rd round pick. Add in Janmark and i rest my case.

Edited March 2, 2015 by achildr1

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

I have a feeling Holland could have traded this same package for a time traveling hossa from 09' and people would still be coming here ripping this move, just because the vibes Holland gives off tell you that he's a crappy gm.

[number9 3,297]

Put athanasiou in between them and you've got yourself a deal!

Or nosek...

Cuz athanasiou and mantha are playing pretty well together, from what I've read.

Is Nosek actually any good???

EDIT: looked up his stats, he's decent, but Mieles been better

Edited March 2, 2015 by number9

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Works both ways bud, you keep raving about Janmark's upside and how he wasn't given a chance, what if he flopped? Guess we'll never know

We will ... It'll just take a few years

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Nill just traded a 3rd round pick for that if we don't make it to the ECF...is he nuts? Is Backman going back to Sweden to possibly save his career and actually get ice time completely indicative of his attitude...or maybe theres more we don't know and he just made the best decision for his career? Backman was said to have Top 4 NHL potential but he was going to be at least a #3 dman, if not #4, in GR.

Nill is a smart man. I think he was more important than we knew and I, personally, wish he were our GM. The bottom line is, on a franchise that can offer ice time, Backman is every bit worth a 3rd rounder. He is still young enough to make it basically like taking him with that pick...and he would very much be a good enough prospect in Dallas' system to be worth a 3rd round pick. Add in Janmark and i rest my case.

Ha. Then pick up your case and move to Dallas, I hear they just fleeced the red wings with an awesome top four defender and an amazing top six center.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

So right now we're looking at something like this:

Tatar - Datsyuk - Cole

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader

Weiss - Sheahan - Glendening

Miller - Andersson - Cleary

Pulkkinen

If everyone gets healthy (I know I included zberg in the first lineup, he's almost back)

Tatar - Datsyuk - Cole

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader

Helm - Sheahan - Franzen

Miller - Weiss - Glendening

All 4 of those line can be a threat defensively and offensively. That's pretty sick. Now the defense...

I wanna keep pulkkinen the rest of the year and hopefully get him going so we could maybe take advantage of his shot in the bottom 6 come playoffs

[rick zombo 3,739]

Ha! Exactly!

It's so awesome that we let Shanahan, Yzerman, and Nill walk and have Holland and Ryan Martin now. Anybody ever seen Holland and Martin in person? Especially Martin. Oh...I love Fischer, but he does not seem like a guy that should end up in the front office.

Holland and Martin both seem like huge pushovers, with Martin looking like and giving the vibe that he's never played hockey (although he may have) and has no clue what he's talking about. Nill, Yzerman, and Shanahan all have experience and the "i run the ship" look and personas. Im still pissed about how Ilitch asked Holland to step up and let Yzerman in and he wouldn't...YZerman should have been the face of this franchise and I'm sure Holland still would have had his prospect-giving-away hands all over everything anyway...

What kind of crap is this?

You have to strut around like Razor Ramon to be a good GM?

And as if Illitch asked Holland to step aside for Yzerman. And as if Holland would refuse.

Jesus.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Is Nosek actually any good???

EDIT: looked up his stats, he's decent, but Mieles been better

Yeah, but miele probably won't end up on the wings unless injuries plague us, his game didn't travel well to the nhl and I want them getting experience with people who have a better chance of playing with them when they make it here.

But miele has been awesome down there, i wonder why he didn't have any success in the nhl.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Is Nosek actually any good???

EDIT: looked up his stats, he's decent, but Mieles been better

Isn't mieles also like 5 yrs older and like 5'8?

[chaps80 1,591]

Nill just traded a 3rd round pick for that if we don't make it to the ECF...is he nuts? Is Backman going back to Sweden to possibly save his career and actually get ice time completely indicative of his attitude...or maybe theres more we don't know and he just made the best decision for his career? Backman was said to have Top 4 NHL potential but he was going to be at least a #3 dman, if not #4, in GR.

Nill is a smart man. I think he was more important than we knew and I, personally, wish he were our GM. The bottom line is, on a franchise that can offer ice time, Backman is every bit worth a 3rd rounder. He is still young enough to make it basically like taking him with that pick...and he would very much be a good enough prospect in Dallas' system to be worth a 3rd round pick. Add in Janmark and i rest my case.

Yeah, I don't get Holland's thinking on agreeing that he should only get that 3rd rounder if we don't make the ECF. lol It's not like Cole is going to carry us there on his back.

[number9 3,297]

Isn't mieles also like 5 yrs older and like 5'8?

Yeah, small and almost 27. But damn he lights up the minors. I have no problem with our young wingers learning and gaining confidence from him while in GR. That's what he's for.

Edited March 2, 2015 by number9

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Yeah, small and almost 27. But damn he lights up the minors. I have no problem with our young wingers learning and gaining confidence from him while in GR. That's what he's for.

Damn, I didn't know he was only 5'8.

[achildr1 255]

I have a feeling Holland could have traded this same package for a time traveling hossa from 09' and people would still be coming here ripping this move, just because the vibes Holland gives off tell you that he's a crappy gm.

How old are you? May I ask? I turn 29 this month and I've followed the Wings religiously my entire life from age 8. For some reason i actually retain most of the generally useless history, info, players, trades, and dialogue I've heard along the way. I've followed the Wings for the entirety of Holland's tenure as GM and I have a particular addiction to information I've come across about NHL front offices. I like to think, as a fan, I'm about as informed as I can be enough to make the claims I do.

Holland has done a lot of things right in his time with the Wings, but he also had an All-Star cast of Front Office support along the way...not limited to Dellevano, Scotty Bowman (who I believe brought way more than people even thought...and they thought he brought a lot), Nill, Mark Howe, and several others. But since those people have started moving on, his ability to make good trades has nose dived. If Babcock creates good coaches, I believe Holland was created by other good front office people. HE does not seem to be a great stand alone GM. The two things that he is most credited for are also other peoples jobs (cap management and scouting).

This is far more than vibes bro, but thanks for playing.

[number9 3,297]

Damn, I didn't know he was only 5'8.

Most likely why he never made the NHL. But he's got the hands of a top 6 NHL center. Nosek has the size that fits the NHL, but he's not quite as skilled. I think that's why I like guys like Pulks and Jurco playing with Miele. When they get to the NHL they'll be up to speed on the skill game.

[achildr1 255]

What kind of crap is this?

You have to strut around like Razor Ramon to be a good GM?

And as if Illitch asked Holland to step aside for Yzerman. And as if Holland would refuse.

Jesus.

Really?!? Guys....anyone have the article? Do you know that that situation actually happened? Because it did.

Also, its one reason why people hated on George W and love Obamanation...its presence.

Holland has the presence of a man that can be persuaded to back down. Nill does not. I've met them both and seen countless interviews as well. Its the same you look for in a coach...one of the reasons i believe Dave Lewis failed. Lewis didn't have the presence to set a standard for the team...but Babs does and he knows how to use it.

[number9 3,297]

How old are you? May I ask? I turn 29 this month and I've followed the Wings religiously my entire life from age 8. For some reason i actually retain most of the generally useless history, info, players, trades, and dialogue I've heard along the way. I've followed the Wings for the entirety of Holland's tenure as GM and I have a particular addiction to information I've come across about NHL front offices. I like to think, as a fan, I'm about as informed as I can be enough to make the claims I do.

Holland has done a lot of things right in his time with the Wings, but he also had an All-Star cast of Front Office support along the way...not limited to Dellevano, Scotty Bowman (who I believe brought way more than people even thought...and they thought he brought a lot), Nill, Mark Howe, and several others. But since those people have started moving on, his ability to make good trades has nose dived. If Babcock creates good coaches, I believe Holland was created by other good front office people. HE does not seem to be a great stand alone GM. The two things that he is most credited for are also other peoples jobs (cap management and scouting).

This is far more than vibes bro, but thanks for playing.

110% true. Lower level employees do ALL the work. It's not like managers hire, manage employees, and guide the overall vision of the business. They just sit in their office and kick tires while watching netflix. Bums. Fire them. NOW.

EDIT: Clearly Holland never learned anything while working with so many great hockey men. Which is baffling considering how are teams stays elite by great vets teaching great young kids. Holland MUST be slow or something.

Edited March 2, 2015 by number9

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

edit: nm

Edited March 2, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[achildr1 255]

110% true. Lower level employees do ALL the work. It's not like managers hire, manage employees, and guide the overall vision of the business. They just sit in their office and kick tires while watching netflix. Bums. Fire them. NOW.

So much hate...clearly Holland makes decisions, and has a lot of final decisions in the same way the POTUS does. But the most direct way the competence of a GM can be judged is in trading...because, unless its more of a group setting like for some teams, its basically just his job...his calls. Holland can't scout all of the OHL by himself let alone everywhere the scouts go. Also, I believe Ryan Martin was hired originally as the Cap manager. So that, literally, was his job.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Geez I just heard cole has gone like 35 straight playoff games without a goal and hasn't scored since 2002?? Can anyone confirm that?

Not a good stat

[achildr1 255]

Geez I just heard cole has gone like 35 straight playoff games without a goal and hasn't scored since 2002?? Can anyone confirm that?

Not a good stat

Ah well...that happened to Datsyuk once too...