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Will Wings Revisit Signing Phaneuf?

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So what exactly is it that makes him "seem" like a big none physical player? Is it that he averages around 3 hits per game? Is it that he hits more than twice as much as any defenseman currently on the Red Wings roster? Or is it the fact that he is consistently at the top of the league in hits per game every single season? He was ranked 18th last season splitting time between two different teams, he was 1st the season before and 9th the season before that. He is a very physical defenseman, and he also blocks a ton of shots. He's exactly what this team needs...

I'm not disagreeing with you. I just don't think you can find Cody Franson on hockeyfights.com. I'm just trying to round out Frank's argument for Phaneuf for him.

Personally, I don't think Phaneuf gets moved now that Babs is coach.

I would very much like to have Franson on this team and if not, the very non-physical, Mike Green would be okay with me.

If both of those guys get signed by other teams and we're looking to make a trade for an upgrade, I'd say Wisniewski would be a cheaper option than Phaneuf.

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TSN reporting that Wings not interested in Phaneuf

http://www.tsn.ca/wings-no-longer-interested-in-phaneuf-1.312595

Could be a negotiation tactic. If TO is trying to get Mantha, this could be Detroit's way of making it appear as if they want to make a deal anymore, hoping that due to the broken Pheneuf/TO relationship, it could lead to Toronto making an offer not including Mantha. I admit a stretch, but you never know.

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I don't think it means talks are dead. It's just Kennys way of letting the Leafs know he will not overpay. He has other UFA options right now. The attraction of a Dion deal is the potential to dump Weiss. I dont see Kenny dealing for Dion unless he can dump Weiss on the Leafs.

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And with Babs now in TO there's no way they'll take Weiss in any sort of deal. So new trading partner needed in the Weiss situation or Blashill could give him a fresh start and see how he produces.

Weiss is gone I have a feeling. Babs didn't not use him correctly, he was injured, and lacked confidence.

Hard to say what we have with him or not of they buy or ship him out

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e_prime, being a non fighter doesn't necessarily mean that player is also non physical. A player can hit everything in sight and never drop the gloves, there is no direct correlation between the two. For me, I don't want a top 4 defenseman that fights and leaves his team short benched for 5+ minutes. I do however want some physical defenseman, that aren't afraid to lay the body when the opportunity presents itself. That is Cody Franson.

You stated that Franson was big but doesn't use his size to be physical. That's just not right at all.

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e_prime, being a non fighter doesn't necessarily mean that player is also non physical. A player can hit everything in sight and never drop the gloves, there is no direct correlation between the two. For me, I don't want a top 4 defenseman that fights and leaves his team short benched for 5+ minutes. I do however want some physical defenseman, that aren't afraid to lay the body when the opportunity presents itself. That is Cody Franson.

You stated that Franson was big but doesn't use his size to be physical. That's just not right at all.

Did you read my previous responses to your initial response?

I don't even believe that what I typed in my initial response.

Also, do you really think that I want a top four guy that fights? I'm in favor of signing Green for chrissakes.

I do not disagree with your assessment of Franson AT ALL.

I would take Franson in a heartbeat. The guy is totally the physical presence we need. I understand.

Franson seems like one of those guys that is big, but not one to use his size to be "physical."

So for Frank, Phaneuf is the best option...

I'm not disagreeing with you. I just don't think you can find Cody Franson on hockeyfights.com. I'm just trying to round out Frank's argument for Phaneuf for him.

Personally, I don't think Phaneuf gets moved now that Babs is coach.

I would very much like to have Franson on this team and if not, the very non-physical, Mike Green would be okay with me.

If both of those guys get signed by other teams and we're looking to make a trade for an upgrade, I'd say Wisniewski would be a cheaper option than Phaneuf.

...have you not noticed that I'm a complete smartass around here? Veiled shots at Frank, dude. Not you.

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Frank, you said the best option available is Phaneuf. That's where I disagree. If we're talking about who we're more likely to get, I don't think we're that likely to land either, but I'd still say Franson is more likely. I think it's about a 5% chance we trade for Phaneuf and about a 20% chance we sign Franson...

Yeah should have clarified that so my bad. Don't get me wrong Franson would be very nice but I doubt he will want to come here. For the first time in his career he has the freedom to choose his destination .

I think the Leafs will still trade Dion because they are going to go hard after Austin Mathews. But he won't get dealt for bad players, the Leafs know this. I could easily see the stars putting together a nice package for him

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Yeah should have clarified that so my bad. Don't get me wrong Franson would be very nice but I doubt he will want to come here. For the first time in his career he has the freedom to choose his destination .

I think the Leafs will still trade Dion because they are going to go hard after Austin Mathews. But he won't get dealt for bad players, the Leafs know this. I could easily see the stars putting together a nice package for him

Toronto needs to realize, they have a declining player with 7 years and 49 million left on his contract. He's not as valuable with that contract that they think. Whoever gets him will definitely be getting a good d-man for maybe 3 years, but then you are stuck with an older guy not even closes skill wise to what's he's getting paid. (ie. Weiss, Orpik, Semin, Clarkson). I think there are some teams out there that wouldn't take that contact on for anything.

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No way Toronto takes Weiss in return for any trade ... maybe previous Nonis regime would but I can't see it with Shanny and Babs ... especially Babs. He will veto that instantly.

If Toronto feels that they have no chance of competing in the next 3 years anyways, the caphit does not matter. If they trade for him but get to unload Phaneuf's 7 year deal, and get a legit top prospect (ie. Mantha), I could easily see it. They can always send Weiss down to the minors, or trade him to a team trying to reach the cap floor in a year or 2.

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Could be a negotiation tactic. If TO is trying to get Mantha, this could be Detroit's way of making it appear as if they want to make a deal anymore, hoping that due to the broken Pheneuf/TO relationship, it could lead to Toronto making an offer not including Mantha. I admit a stretch, but you never know.

I don't think it means talks are dead. It's just Kennys way of letting the Leafs know he will not overpay. He has other UFA options right now. The attraction of a Dion deal is the potential to dump Weiss. I dont see Kenny dealing for Dion unless he can dump Weiss on the Leafs.

I don't see Detroit blowing smoke on this one ... not with Babs on the other end. Holland and Blashill not interested anymore.

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I don't see Detroit blowing smoke on this one ... not with Babs on the other end. Holland and Blashill not interested anymore.

And I don't see them playing hardball with each other.

Eventually, if the wings keep churning out coaches/ GMs/ front office guys the league will just be a giant extension of the Detroit red wings....

Won't that be crazy.

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I don't get where people get that Franson isn't a physical defenseman... I've watched him a ton over the years and he is very physical, especially for a defender that can provide the offense he does. No, he's definitely not Brooks Orpik physical, but not many are. He would instantly be our most physical defender, as well as most teams. He hits a ton, he wins the majority of the one on one battles, and he can clear the front of the net, all while providing offense...

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I'm certain he'll sign on July 1st for $6 million (as is the case with many UFA's - overpaid)...Me thinks there's a good chance that he'll stay in Nashville, but hopefully Holland will be in touch with his agent.

I don't think Franson fits in Nashville's plan. With the depth they have at D: Weber, Josi, Ellis, Elkholm, Jones, etc. -- they don't need Franson.

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I agree that he doesn't hit to injury, but I'm quite okay with that. He takes players out of the play and separates the puck carrier from the puck, which is all I expect of a defender. Sure, bone crushing hits can be exciting but they aren't necessary, and often times, the players that look for those on a regular basis, are the players that find themselves out of position...

I also agree with e-prime, I don't see much of a chance Nashville retains Franson. He will be with a different team this fall, I just hope it's with the Red Wings...

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Ok, so it looks like Detroit may not be too interested in Phanuef anymore (just according to some twiiter rumblings) so...who do we trade that #1 for then? Do they try to get another top paring guy from somewhere or does KH just put his D cards in July 1st and trade assets and the #1 for a top 3 offensive player? KH has already said that one of the spots will go to one of the 4 kids in GR...I am still betting Jensen for the #7 spot because if KH gets a Mike Green or COdy Franson, I cannot see any of Ouellet, Marckenko or Sproul coming up to be a #7 when they would benefit tremendously to play full time in GR for their last season or GR eligibility. If Smith is dealt (which his name seams to be the one mentioned all the time from analysts) and Zidz is not re-signed, there should be two spots to fill, unless KH decides Kindl is staying. I don't see Blash sitting Q in the pressbox at $4M+, but this is a new regime...maybe Q gets dealt? :ninja:

IMO if KH is pretty confident that he can land one of the top sought after UFA's, then I would be fine with trying to acquire a top 3 guy, but I think it will be expensive...also I am not liking what I am reading about Sharp so I would hate to throw that pick and a young prospect their way...plus I would HATE to help Chicago out with one of our youngins!

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