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Trouble in the Sharktank Jumbo Joe versus DW

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"The pressure and stress, I felt, was getting to Joe. And I sat him down and said we need other players to step up and share this. He got it. He didn't like it, but he got it and he understood it."

Thornton would go on to say: "All I've got to say is I've been here every day working hard. I haven't taken a sabbatical. He just needs to stop lying, shut his mouth."

I guess one of the two will be gone after the season is over and Thornton has a full NMC so I guess it won't be him. Good for Joe for finally snapping I mean DW has stripped him of the C and then talked about big changes but did nothing. Should be really interesting going forward.

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That's just one line from the quote, here is I believe the entire thing:


"He cares about the game so much. The reason we took the 'C' off him ... Joe carries the weight of the team on his shoulders and he's got such a big heart that when stress comes on him, he lashes out at people and it kind of impacts them.

"The pressure and stress, I felt, was getting to Joe. And I sat him down and said we need other players to step up and share this. He got it. He didn't like it, but he got it and he understood it."

Kind of ironic that Wilson said Thornton doesn't handle stress well and lashes out, then in response to this Thornton literately lashes out. Not exactly proving Wilson wrong. Doesn't surprise me, Thornton has always struck me as a player who has issues handling his emotions, reminds me of Geztlaf.

If San Jose wants to get rid of Thornton, they can. I'm sure if they sent him to the minors or benched him in he would move is NMC.

It is pretty gutless though for all this to happen AFTER he signs his contract extension at a discount. Its not like they didnt know what they were getting with Thornton when they signed him to the extension last year.

Thornton for Weiss & Kindl???? I can hope!

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That's just one line from the quote, here is I believe the entire thing:

Kind of ironic that Wilson said Thornton doesn't handle stress well and lashes out, then in response to this Thornton literately lashes out. Not exactly proving Wilson wrong. Doesn't surprise me, Thornton has always struck me as a player who has issues handling his emotions, reminds me of Geztlaf.

If San Jose wants to get rid of Thornton, they can. I'm sure if they sent him to the minors or benched him in he would move is NMC.

It is pretty gutless though for all this to happen AFTER he signs his contract extension at a discount. Its not like they didnt know what they were getting with Thornton when they signed him to the extension last year.

Thornton for Weiss & Kindl???? I can hope!

Nmc means they can't send him to the minors unless he waived it, which he obviously wouldn't. Also ge would have to clear waivers and they would lose him for nothing.

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Well, all this is entertaining. Joe Thorton the hockey player has not and never will be a playoff performer.

That's a little harsh. His playoff numbers are lower than his regular season numbers, but they're not bad enough for people to call him a choker. The issue is when his team is eliminated, he's rarely going down swinging. The Sharks as a whole have underachieved in the playoffs.

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The Sharks as a whole have underachieved in the playoffs.

That's an understatement. With the teams they've had over the years, they should have won a cup by now, especially when they had Nabby in his prime. It's fun to laugh at though.

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Nmc means they can't send him to the minors unless he waived it, which he obviously wouldn't. Also ge would have to clear waivers and they would lose him for nothing.

I didn't know that. I thought it just meant you cant be moved to another organization. They could still make him a healthy scratch until he agrees to a trade so my main point still stands. (not that I think they should do this, just making the point they can).

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I didn't know that. I thought it just meant you cant be moved to another organization. They could still make him a healthy scratch until he agrees to a trade so my main point still stands. (not that I think they should do this, just making the point they can).

I think they NHLPA would have something to say about that even if not it would be a nightmare, no UFA in his right mind would be willing to sign there and as they are entering their retool/build years that would be devasting to their franchise. It's simple: Plattner has to open his deep pockets (the guy owns that german SAP company) and care more about that franchise.

but hey if they want to get rid off players, I'd gladly take Vlasic of their hands.

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I think they NHLPA would have something to say about that even if not it would be a nightmare, no UFA in his right mind would be willing to sign there and as they are entering their retool/build years that would be devasting to their franchise. It's simple: Plattner has to open his deep pockets (the guy owns that german SAP company) and care more about that franchise.

but hey if they want to get rid off players, I'd gladly take Vlasic of their hands.

There is nothing in the CBA saying you cant scratch "star" players. A team can do whatever they want.

I definitely think that SJ have handled Thornton horribly, but if they don't want him, I don't know why he would block any and all trades. A NMC gives you power to dictate where you go if you are traded which is awesome for the player, but to stay in a place you are not wanted is weird. (not saying he is not wanted yet, but it seems to be headed in that direction).

What are you talking about "opening up his deep pockets" they are 5mil under the cap which is quite normal for this time of year. They aren't the Calgary Flames.

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I think they NHLPA would have something to say about that even if not it would be a nightmare, no UFA in his right mind would be willing to sign there and as they are entering their retool/build years that would be devasting to their franchise. It's simple: Plattner has to open his deep pockets (the guy owns that german SAP company) and care more about that franchise.

but hey if they want to get rid off players, I'd gladly take Vlasic of their hands.

There is nothing in the CBA saying you cant scratch "star" players. A team can do whatever they want.

I definitely think that SJ have handled Thornton horribly, but if they don't want him, I don't know why he would block any and all trades. A NMC gives you power to dictate where you go if you are traded which is awesome for the player, but to stay in a place you are not wanted is weird. (not saying he is not wanted yet, but it seems to be headed in that direction).

What are you talking about "opening up his deep pockets" they are 5mil under the cap which is quite normal for this time of year. They aren't the Calgary Flames.

It gives him the power to not get moved at all if he doesn't want to. If the sharks decide to scratch him for let's say 20 games in a row and it's not based on performance there could be trouble.

Opening the pockets in terms of better scouts, development programs...I mean they have Hertl then what?

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It gives him the power to not get moved at all if he doesn't want to. If the sharks decide to scratch him for let's say 20 games in a row and it's not based on performance there could be trouble. Opening the pockets in terms of better scouts, development programs...I mean they have Hertl then what?

I'm not in anyway disagreeing that he has a No Movement Clause

There is nothing in the CBA as far as I know (if I'm wrong, please post a link) saying you cant scratch a player who is perceived as being very good. Guys can be scratched for bad attitudes, poor play, being bad fits etc. As long as they pay the player there is nothing the NHLPA can do. Again, I am not advocating this move, I am not saying I would even agree with this move, I am saying they could do it if they wanted to.

How do you know the Sharks are not "opening their pockets" in player development? As far as I know the salaries of scouts is not public knowledge. If you are arguing that they don't do a good job in player development, sure, that is a valid argument. But I don't see how you can argue their lack of development is due to a lack of spending money.

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