The Futures of Tatar & Nyquist

[WhiteLightning91 105]

Watching the game tonight got me thinking about Filppula and his time with the Wings, as well as Hudler. Both of them were young, promising players that ended up leaving during the prime years of their career. No matter how you feel about the two players, at some point or another we could've used them since they've left. There have certainly been numerous occasions the last two seasons that the offense has been asleep for stretches.

My question is, what are the reasons you think Tatar and Nyquist will be any different when it comes to their future contracts?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Hudler was redundant because of Tatar and Nyquist were coming in. Filppula was too inconsistent here and needed a change. I'm not going to worry about either of the two current Wings until they get close to ufa status.

[Barrie 900]

I wouldn't think twice about losing Hudler and Filppula. The majority of Wings fans wanted Hudler gone after 2010-11, and Filppula is over paid. I think Tatar and Nyquist will be better players then them, if they aren't already are.

[chaps80 1,591]

I remember people constantly bitching about Filppula sucking and wanting him gone. Now some of those people want him back? He moved on and he's doing a lot better where he is.

[DRW Dominance 255]

i could care less about val. watching him does nothing for me.

i love tatar's passion. nyquist not so much. i don't hate the guy but i really like tatar.

[kliq 3,755]

Tatar and Nyquist have 49 and 48 points respectfully, Filppula has 46. T&N are just getting started, Filp you can easily say has peaked. You could even argue that T&N are already better players. Hudler I believe is overproducing due to the team he is on. Reminds me of Robert Lang back in '06 on Washington. He led the league in points, but I dont think anyone thought of him as the best player in the NHL. Not that anyone is saying that about Hudler lol. On Calgary he is being put in situations where he will score often.

[Rivalred 630]

Magic 8 ball says try again

[luvmnger 125]

creepy Rob Lowe says "Hudler's/Tatar's a fun guy to hang with after games, Flippula/Nyquist...not so much"

hmmmmm....coincidence? i think not.

[WhiteLightning91 105]

I wasn't necessarily saying Hudler and Fil were better or worse than Tatar and Nyquist, rather that during their first couple seasons, most people agreed they would be decent top 6 players for us after the Yzerman/Shanahan era Wings were gone. Because they never made that happen, whether it be through performance or contract circumstances, it did not turn out that way.

Why will Nyquist and Tatar be different? Or won't they? Just playing the hypothetical Devils advocate.

[Bannedforlife 403]

They better resign Tatar or else we'll never score a goal again.

[Nevermind 363]

Nyquist and Tatar might be better, but they still look like they're gonna be a lot closer to Filppula/Hudler than to Datsyuk/Zetterberg.

[kliq 3,755]

Nyquist and Tatar might be better, but they still look like they're gonna be a lot closer to Filppula/Hudler than to Datsyuk/Zetterberg.

I think a much more probable outcome is somewhere in between.

[hooon 1,089]

If we had kept Fil and Hudler, its not a stretch to think one or both of Tatar and Nyquist would not be on the team today. Personally, I'd much rather the younger duo.

[Datsyukian-Deke 722]

Filpulla plays a majority of time with Stamkos. I'm pretty sure I could get about 20 points a season playing besides that guy.

[WingsallTheway 383]

Filpulla plays a majority of time with Stamkos. I'm pretty sure I could get about 20 points a season playing besides that guy.

so could glendenning

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Filpulla plays a majority of time with Stamkos. I'm pretty sure I could get about 20 points a season playing besides that guy.

19 minutes a game, 72 games played, 12 goals, 46 points, and only 89 shots on goal. that's only one shot every 15.37 minutes of ice time. Pretty piss poor production. Tatar and Nyquist have more points playing considerably less time a game. So do Callahan, Kucherov, Palat, and Johnson for TB. Which is exactly why I was happy to see him go. He's never had back to back seasons where he's been productive and healthy, and this year is following the same pattern. He'll probably hit 50 points, but considering how much he's playing, that's bad.

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

19 minutes a game, 72 games played, 12 goals, 46 points, and only 89 shots on goal. that's only one shot every 15.37 minutes of ice time. Pretty piss poor production. Tatar and Nyquist have more points playing considerably less time a game. So do Callahan, Kucherov, Palat, and Johnson for TB. Which is exactly why I was happy to see him go. He's never had back to back seasons where he's been productive and healthy, and this year is following the same pattern. He'll probably hit 50 points, but considering how much he's playing, that's bad.

I agree. Yesterday they were saying Flip plays the 2nd most minutes of any forward on the team. I was also reading a thread on there forums calling out Flip and wanting him gone because of his stupid passes and never enough shooting (sounds familiar).

[LeftWinger 4,936]

I would say that I think Detroit will not be in that same situation is because Ken Holland will not let his salary cap get out of control again. Hudler left them once before for more money (to the KHL(which really soured me on him)) and then he was looking for top dollar again when he signed in Calgary. (by this time everyone wanted him gone so it was no big loss) So he was just looking for the biggest payday he could find. When Filppula left, the going rate for a 2nd line center was through the roof and Holland's plan for the rest of the team (I believe that was the same year he went balls out for Suter) didn't have any room left under the cap for that going rate. Holland will not let the cap control him again, he will contiue to grow his own talent, pay them accordingly and if the time comes where they are just looking for the payday and they no longer fit in the team cap structure, that is when he will lose them.

BUT, by the time Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha and Larkin are all in their primes here, we will no longer have to contracts of Dats, Z, Weiss and Franzen. Plus the hopes that the Cap increases slightly every year will also help. By the time Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko, Dekeyser are all in their prime, Kronner, Ericsson will be gone off the books or on their last small career contracts. Same goes for Mrazek, by the time he is ready for that elilte contract, s*** stain's contract will be off the books. I know Mrazek is a RFA soon, but I think he still has that one bridge contract he'll sign before his big one.

Holland has enough young talent spread apart from each other to where he probably won't have to worry too much about having 5-6 stars making top dollar all at the same time.

IMO, there are only two scenarios where he may lose ANY of his "kids." 1. They just don't want to be here, or 2. He trades them. Like I said, the reason's Hudler and Fil left were more to do with wanting (some say deserving) more money than Holland had available without crippling his team. Kenny will not let his cap get that close again.

Edited March 21, 2015 by LeftWinger

[Buppy 1,720]

The team situation is different. Flip and Huds basically both left for a better opportunity, but by the time Gus and Tatar are UFA eligible, they will likely be the offensive leaders. Doesn't guarantee they'll stay of course, or that we'll even want them to, but we should be in a position to offer as much money and time as any other team.

[Aznknight 139]

Even in NHL 14 I wouldn't trade for any of them...Fil and Huds, I mean

Edited March 21, 2015 by Aznknight

[WingsallTheway 383]

Even in NHL 14 I wouldn't trade for any of them...Fil and Huds, I mean

I would...theyre both really good in NHL haha

[martinezsvsu 240]

I would say that I think Detroit will not be in that same situation is because Ken Holland will not let his salary cap get out of control again. Hudler left them once before for more money (to the KHL(which really soured me on him)) and then he was looking for top dollar again when he signed in Calgary. (by this time everyone wanted him gone so it was no big loss) So he was just looking for the biggest payday he could find. When Filppula left, the going rate for a 2nd line center was through the roof and Holland's plan for the rest of the team (I believe that was the same year he went balls out for Suter) didn't have any room left under the cap for that going rate. Holland will not let the cap control him again, he will contiue to grow his own talent, pay them accordingly and if the time comes where they are just looking for the payday and they no longer fit in the team cap structure, that is when he will lose them.

BUT, by the time Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha and Larkin are all in their primes here, we will no longer have to contracts of Dats, Z, Weiss and Franzen. Plus the hopes that the Cap increases slightly every year will also help. By the time Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko, Dekeyser are all in their prime, Kronner, Ericsson will be gone off the books or on their last small career contracts. Same goes for Mrazek, by the time he is ready for that elilte contract, s*** stain's contract will be off the books. I know Mrazek is a RFA soon, but I think he still has that one bridge contract he'll sign before his big one.

Holland has enough young talent spread apart from each other to where he probably won't have to worry too much about having 5-6 stars making top dollar all at the same time.

IMO, there are only two scenarios where he may lose ANY of his "kids." 1. They just don't want to be here, or 2. He trades them. Like I said, the reason's Hudler and Fil left were more to do with wanting (some say deserving) more money than Holland had available without crippling his team. Kenny will not let his cap get that close again.

congrats on being the only one to actually answer the question.

[Buppy 1,720]

congrats on being the only one to actually answer the question.

Hey, I answered it too, and much more succinctly.

[Rivalred 630]

Trade both and picks for McDavid

[Wings_Toledo 233]

I would say that I think Detroit will not be in that same situation is because Ken Holland will not let his salary cap get out of control again. Hudler left them once before for more money (to the KHL(which really soured me on him)) and then he was looking for top dollar again when he signed in Calgary. (by this time everyone wanted him gone so it was no big loss) So he was just looking for the biggest payday he could find. When Filppula left, the going rate for a 2nd line center was through the roof and Holland's plan for the rest of the team (I believe that was the same year he went balls out for Suter) didn't have any room left under the cap for that going rate. Holland will not let the cap control him again, he will contiue to grow his own talent, pay them accordingly and if the time comes where they are just looking for the payday and they no longer fit in the team cap structure, that is when he will lose them.

BUT, by the time Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha and Larkin are all in their primes here, we will no longer have to contracts of Dats, Z, Weiss and Franzen. Plus the hopes that the Cap increases slightly every year will also help. By the time Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko, Dekeyser are all in their prime, Kronner, Ericsson will be gone off the books or on their last small career contracts. Same goes for Mrazek, by the time he is ready for that elilte contract, s*** stain's contract will be off the books. I know Mrazek is a RFA soon, but I think he still has that one bridge contract he'll sign before his big one.

Holland has enough young talent spread apart from each other to where he probably won't have to worry too much about having 5-6 stars making top dollar all at the same time.

IMO, there are only two scenarios where he may lose ANY of his "kids." 1. They just don't want to be here, or 2. He trades them. Like I said, the reason's Hudler and Fil left were more to do with wanting (some say deserving) more money than Holland had available without crippling his team. Kenny will not let his cap get that close again.

Or, if Holland retires before then and whoever takes his place screws it up. I don't think that's very likely to happen but Holland may be gone before this whole situation plays out.