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Losing Streak affecting Babcock's Decision?

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Here is how I see it:

Top 1,2 D:

Webber, Suban, Keith, Doughty, Kronner.... (

3, 4 guys

Yandle, Letang, Hedman, Pitrangelo ....

I love Danny & I think he will get there but I don't think he contributes at a similar level to the above

Lol, 100% top pairing Dmen....

Weber Subban Keith and Doughty are Elite. Not just #1's

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DD is underrated he's arguably been our best defenseman since he joined the team, Kronwall has been our best guy overall but defensively DD is better or has been better, if Kronwall was playing with anyone else besides E I bet he'd put up more points and his plus minus would be way better, E is slow so Kronner can't always get involved in the offense and we've seen what the guy can do when he does, to me E would be better suited to play with Quincey because he loves to get in the rush and tries to make plays if you switch E and DD we would produce more offense and allow less goals, I don't like smith with Zids either he was better when Marchenko was watching after him 24/7 I don't like having two D-man who like to get involved offensively playing on the same pair, especially when they aren't the greatest defensively

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Right now, I think Babs stock is dropping like a 2 ton rock.

One possibility since Pitts is doing so bad, they might can Johnson and entice Babs ... isn't that Babs dream job?

Babs dream is to coach a terribly managed team? Pitt would be better off with Holland.

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Where did you hear that?

Don't know how reliable and granted it is from Pitts perspective

http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/6844238-74/babcock-crosby-penguins#axzz3WV4GWGib

Wings coach Babcock does not hide affection for Penguins' Crosby

Red Wings coach Mike Babcock is well aware of summer speculation that suggested a mutual flirtation was taking place between himself and the Penguins.

Following Detroit's 2-1 exhibition victory at Consol Energy Center on Monday, Babcock didn't shy away from socializing with the Penguins' biggest stars.
Babcock smiled when the speculation was addressed.
Well, I mean, gee,” Babcock said, choosing his words carefully. “I talked with (Penguins captain) Sid (Sidney Crosby) about it one time.”
Babcock also made time to talk with Crosby following the game, though coaching searches weren't part of the conversation.
After emerging from the coach's office adjacent to the Red Wings locker room, a group of about 10 players and Red Wings personnel congregated around former Penguins assistant coach Tony Granato. Crosby was also there, and Babcock made a beeline toward him, shaking his hand and exchanging pleasantries.
Babcock has long professed an admiration for Crosby, and the two share a successful history. Crosby scored the “golden goal” in overtime of the 2010 Winter Olympics against the United States while under the direction of Babcock, who was the team's coach.
Four years later, Babcock named Crosby the captain of the Canadian Olympic team. Crosby responded with a goal in the finals against Sweden, as the most famous player and most famous coach of this generation again led Canada to gold.
Babcock's admiration of Crosby has long driven the idea that he would enjoy coaching him in the NHL.
“It's one of those things,” Babcock said with a smile. “I work for the Red Wings. I'm very happy here.”
Babcock is coaching in the final year of his contract with the Red Wings.
Even the Penguins' other former MVP — Evgeni Malkin — made time for Babcock.
Malkin, who hasn't skated during the past two weeks because of an unspecified injury and who hasn't spoken with the media since May, approached Babcock and shook his hand outside the locker room.
Crosby said Tuesday that he has great respect for Babcock.
He also said the conversation he had with Babcock regarding the Penguins' opening was a light-hearted one.
“When I saw him at the (Olympic) ring ceremony (in Vancouver) we joked about it,” Crosby said. “He said to me, ‘I heard I'm going to Pittsburgh to coach you.' We had a laugh over it. Everyone seemed to know what he was going to do. But I think as far as he was concerned, he was staying in Detroit. But people had other ideas about where he was going.”
Babcock has long floated hyperbolic praise in Crosby's direction, telling the Tribune-Review in 2010 that Crosby had been “touched by a wand.”
The Penguins never considered Babcock for their coaching vacancy following Dan Bylsma's dismissal because of the year remaining on his contract with the Red Wings.
Crosby has always spoken highly of Babcock and acknowledged a bond has formed between the two because of their Olympic success together.
“Even in a short time frame like that,” Crosby said, “you learn an awful lot from coaches like him. When you win together, you do share a bond.”
Edited by RedWingsRox

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Don't know how reliable and granted it is from Pitts perspective

http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/6844238-74/babcock-crosby-penguins#axzz3WV4GWGib

Wings coach Babcock does not hide affection for Penguins' Crosby

Red Wings coach Mike Babcock is well aware of summer speculation that suggested a mutual flirtation was taking place between himself and the Penguins.

Following Detroit's 2-1 exhibition victory at Consol Energy Center on Monday, Babcock didn't shy away from socializing with the Penguins' biggest stars.

Babcock smiled when the speculation was addressed.

Well, I mean, gee, Babcock said, choosing his words carefully. I talked with (Penguins captain) Sid (Sidney Crosby) about it one time.

Babcock also made time to talk with Crosby following the game, though coaching searches weren't part of the conversation.

After emerging from the coach's office adjacent to the Red Wings locker room, a group of about 10 players and Red Wings personnel congregated around former Penguins assistant coach Tony Granato. Crosby was also there, and Babcock made a beeline toward him, shaking his hand and exchanging pleasantries.

Babcock has long professed an admiration for Crosby, and the two share a successful history. Crosby scored the golden goal in overtime of the 2010 Winter Olympics against the United States while under the direction of Babcock, who was the team's coach.

Four years later, Babcock named Crosby the captain of the Canadian Olympic team. Crosby responded with a goal in the finals against Sweden, as the most famous player and most famous coach of this generation again led Canada to gold.

Babcock's admiration of Crosby has long driven the idea that he would enjoy coaching him in the NHL.

It's one of those things, Babcock said with a smile. I work for the Red Wings. I'm very happy here.

Babcock is coaching in the final year of his contract with the Red Wings.

Even the Penguins' other former MVP Evgeni Malkin made time for Babcock.

Malkin, who hasn't skated during the past two weeks because of an unspecified injury and who hasn't spoken with the media since May, approached Babcock and shook his hand outside the locker room.

Crosby said Tuesday that he has great respect for Babcock.

He also said the conversation he had with Babcock regarding the Penguins' opening was a light-hearted one.

When I saw him at the (Olympic) ring ceremony (in Vancouver) we joked about it, Crosby said. He said to me, I heard I'm going to Pittsburgh to coach you.' We had a laugh over it. Everyone seemed to know what he was going to do. But I think as far as he was concerned, he was staying in Detroit. But people had other ideas about where he was going.

Babcock has long floated hyperbolic praise in Crosby's direction, telling the Tribune-Review in 2010 that Crosby had been touched by a wand.

The Penguins never considered Babcock for their coaching vacancy following Dan Bylsma's dismissal because of the year remaining on his contract with the Red Wings.

Crosby has always spoken highly of Babcock and acknowledged a bond has formed between the two because of their Olympic success together.

Even in a short time frame like that, Crosby said, you learn an awful lot from coaches like him. When you win together, you do share a bond.

This doesn't read like a reliable source at all

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Guy Boucher was a great prospect/junior coach and what he has done in Tampa???

C'mon, Blashill was a lucky that Detroit's mentality is to bring their prospects slowly so he had a talent and skills on his team.

Babs is a best coach period. This team is built soft and small, Errorson and Quincy are our top 4 def which is bad.

For those Holland lovers:

NyQuist, Tatar and 1st for Bouwmester

NuQuist, Smith and 1st (Mantha) for Edler

And that list goes on. White, Colo... are the AHL players which were brought as top 4 Defs

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Can't believe people are thinking his stock is dropping. If the Wings don't re-sign Babcock there will be a line-up of teams for his services.

Babs is a best coach period. This team is built soft and small, Errorson and Quincy are our top 4 def which is bad.

2011 - 2nd round loss to San Jose

2012 - 1st round loss to Nashville

2013 - 2nd round loss to Chi

2014 - 1st round loss to Bos

Babs is a good coach but he is not anywhere near the best coach 'period'. Sutter and Quennville might be the best coaches in the last 5 years. Yes, I know there will be teams lining up for him but personally, I think Babs is overrated. He is good but certainly not the best. When was the last time he won a Cup?

Why throw $5m/yr to have him take you to round 1 or 2 ... plenty of coaches can do that for you. Bylsma got fired for that.

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Guy Boucher was a great prospect/junior coach and what he has done in Tampa???

C'mon, Blashill was a lucky that Detroit's mentality is to bring their prospects slowly so he had a talent and skills on his team.

Babs is a best coach period. This team is built soft and small, Errorson and Quincy are our top 4 def which is bad.

For those Holland lovers:

NyQuist, Tatar and 1st for Bouwmester

NuQuist, Smith and 1st (Mantha) for Edler

And that list goes on. White, Colo... are the AHL players which were brought as top 4 Defs

Detroit's philosophy has always been to bring their prospects along slowly and no coach has come anywhere close to getting the results Blashill has in Grand Rapids. Furthermore, Blashill has seen a significant portion of those said prospects jump to Detroit during his coaching tenure and he still keeps winning. There's really no doubting Blashill's ability to develop young players and prepare them to compete in the NHL.

Blashill is going to be a head coach sooner than later. Obviously you never know, but Babcock didn't have any professional coaching experience either at one point. Everybody has to start somewhere and Blashill is an ideal fit since he has already worked with most of the roster.

Babs is a great coach. Nobody here (I don't think) would argue that point. It's more about the message and coaches do get stale; especially one that has been around for a decade now. I think both parties need a fresh start and I would have said that long before the Wings started playing like trash the past month.

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2011 - 2nd round loss to San Jose

2012 - 1st round loss to Nashville

2013 - 2nd round loss to Chi

2014 - 1st round loss to Bos

Babs is a good coach but he is not anywhere near the best coach 'period'. Sutter and Quennville might be the best coaches in the last 5 years. Yes, I know there will be teams lining up for him but personally, I think Babs is overrated. He is good but certainly not the best. When was the last time he won a Cup?

Why throw $5m/yr to have him take you to round 1 or 2 ... plenty of coaches can do that for you. Bylsma got fired for that.

Sutter, really?!

Quennville is coaching a young loaded team with Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Keith... Then you have Saad, Sharp, Hossa... and Bowman isn't afraid of making some trades. Imagine Dats, Zetterberg 6-7 years younger. Babs is coaching a small/weak group of players. Season is 82 games long and we need some beef and less fashion models.

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2011 - 2nd round loss to San Jose

2012 - 1st round loss to Nashville

2013 - 2nd round loss to Chi

2014 - 1st round loss to Bos

Babs is a good coach but he is not anywhere near the best coach 'period'. Sutter and Quennville might be the best coaches in the last 5 years. Yes, I know there will be teams lining up for him but personally, I think Babs is overrated. He is good but certainly not the best. When was the last time he won a Cup?

Why throw $5m/yr to have him take you to round 1 or 2 ... plenty of coaches can do that for you. Bylsma got fired for that.

Sutter: Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Carter, Gaborik + the most active GM in the last few years in Lombardi

Quenville: Kane, Toews, Hossa, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook and upcoming Teravainen, Shaw, Saad... + Bowman who isn't afraid to take risks and make trades

Babcock: Zetterberg, Datsyuk...................Kronwall................then the hopefulls: Tatar, Nyquist, DannyD and Sheahan and a GM afraid to go for the big trades, signings

I'm really wondering what a guy like Sutter or Quenville could do under that circumstances...

I've thought the last two olympics would have been enough proof at wwhat Babcock can do with the right roster guess not. Sometimes I hope he leaves and then some people will see how good he really is and this is nothing against Blashill tons of potential there but it's just that potential.

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Look frankgrimes and Dominator2005, Dominator2005 said:

Babs is a best coach period.

When you wrote that Babs is best coach period, I take that to mean that he is the best coach in the league by a country mile, without a close 2nd. All I'm saying is that maybe he's not. 2 coaches got 2 Stanley Cups in the last 5 years. I said he was a good coach, no doubt but I don't think he is the "best coach period",

I've thought the last two olympics would have been enough proof at what Babcock can do with the right roster guess not. Sometimes I hope he leaves and then some people will see how good he really is and this is nothing against Blashill tons of potential there but it's just that potential.

Then you use the reverse logic with Babs, he won 2 Olympic Golds as evidence as best coach but was it not obvious that he had a stacked roster? You can't use the argument that Sutter and Quennvile won because they got a stacked roster therefore, they are not in the discussion of best coach category then say Babs won 2 golds without acknowledging that that roster was even more stacked. I presented to you Bylsma who had the best and got fired. So it's very possible to have a good roster and still flop. If you eliminate those 2 gold medals, then Babs hasn't won anything for a long long time ... your logic doesn't make sense. Think about it.

Again, let me just say again, Babs is a good coach. He is not the "best coach, period". This statement is what I'm debating.

Edited by RedWingsRox

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Look frankgrimes and Dominator2005, Dominator2005 said:

When you wrote that Babs is best coach period, I take that to mean that he is the best coach in the league by a country mile, without a close 2nd. All I'm saying is that maybe he's not. 2 coaches got 2 Stanley Cups in the last 5 years. I said he was a good coach, no doubt but I don't think he is the "best coach period",

You can't use the argument that Sutter got x, y, z and Quennvile got a, b, c therefore, they are not in the discussion of best coach category. I presented to you Bylsma who had the best and got fired. So it's very possible to have a good roster and still flop. So what if I said, Babs won 2 gold medals because he got a roster of the best players in the world so therefore we should discount those 2 achievements in his resume. If you eliminate those 2 gold medals, then Babs hasn't won anything for a long long time ... your logic doesn't make sense. Think about it. Facts don't lie.

Again, let me just say again, Babs is a good coach. He is not the "best coach, period". This statement is what I'm debating.

Dude, you're wasting your time. The only acceptable position to have on the matter is that "Babcock is the best coach eva!" because everybody else coaches superstar teams, and he coaches losers. You have to forget that he only has one Cup, and that the team that won it was full of superstars.

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I'm not saying that Sutter and Quenville aren't good coaches because they are.

Bylsma: has Crosby, Malkin and then the drop off is huge. Ask the guy needed to do would have been to put Iginla on his natural position..

One of the most underrated coaches to me is Trotz followed by Tippet.

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The "only one Cup" argument is pretty hilarious. Only one?? What a loser! Then there's the small detail of getting two different teams to game 7 of the Cup finals.

If someone were to rate Quenneville's 11-year career in 2008, they likely wouldn't consider him among the best in the league. So did he suddenly become a great coach in 2009? Same goes for Sutter.

It takes the right coach coming to the right team at the right time. Babcock is absolutely among the best in the league. Sutter, Quenneville, Trotz, maybe Tippet also belong in that conversation. You could probably make a case for Alain Vigneault since he got his team to the finals twice, though I can't stand him. I liked Bylsma but then that team became such a defensive trainwreck I wondered what was going on there.

There's really no way to compare which coach is absolutely better given all the variables involved. I can understand thinking it's time for Babs to move on because sometimes you need fresh blood. But thinking he's a bad coach is just silly.

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The "only one Cup" argument is pretty hilarious. Only one?? What a loser! Then there's the small detail of getting two different teams to game 7 of the Cup finals.

If someone were to rate Quenneville's 11-year career in 2008, they likely wouldn't consider him among the best in the league. So did he suddenly become a great coach in 2009? Same goes for Sutter.

It takes the right coach coming to the right team at the right time. Babcock is absolutely among the best in the league. Sutter, Quenneville, Trotz, maybe Tippet also belong in that conversation. You could probably make a case for Alain Vigneault since he got his team to the finals twice, though I can't stand him. I liked Bylsma but then that team became such a defensive trainwreck I wondered what was going on there.

There's really no way to compare which coach is absolutely better given all the variables involved. I can understand thinking it's time for Babs to move on because sometimes you need fresh blood. But thinking he's a bad coach is just silly.

I don't think anybody EVER said Babcock was a bad coach. It's just a straw man argument that guys like you use to defend him whenever he's criticized. Because if we don't think he's the best coach in hockey, then we must automatically think he's bad. Of course.

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