Brendan Smith

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

I know lol. We need more tough guys, like Smith. You know, someone who hits less often than Jakub Kindl.

It's incredible the amount of goodwill a guy can earn just by getting into a couple of fights early in his career. Even though I disapprove of fighting, I would encourage every single prospect coming into our system to get in a couple of fights in their first few NHL games. You can play pedestrian hockey for the next 200+ games and nobody will care.

I think you're generalizing everyone who's not ripping into him as being overly apethetic to him.

I just assumed he wouldn't be pulled from the lineup, even if I believe he needs to be.

I'd Much rather have marchenko in,and have two r-l pairs..

Or just have oulette replace him.

Edited April 10, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

Do you guys honestly think Smith's going to be smarter with the puck at forward...when he has the puck more? I don't want that dingbat touching a puck ever again.

Like, seriously. If I were near Brendan Smith and he tried to reach down a pick up a puck to put it back in the bin at a sporting goods store, I'd still punch him.

I still think he's been decent this year. I just agree that he had a horrible last game.

[matt198913 932]

I really like Smith, but last nights bafoonery is even turning me off

[Dominator2005 558]

I really like Smith, but last nights bafoonery is even turning me off

+1

[VM1138 1,921]

I think we should call up Marchenko and Oulette and have them play to show the other guys what to do. I think Kronwall-Marchenko and Zidlicky-Oulette would be great pairs but Kronwall probably won't play tomorrow. Another thing I'm wondering is how good is our development of defensemen at the NHL level. It really seems like we have great defensemen coming from the AHL but as soon as they come here their growth just stops.

Kindl and Smith haven't panned out. Ericsson has been a decent profit considering where we drafted him. He should probably be traded but he isn't a bust. We kind of need all three of Marchenko, Sproul and Oullette to turn out great because trading for defenseman of quality is nearly impossible these days. And we have to admit that they will all need to be in the lineup soon, so Holland needs to make space.

[ben_usmc 253]

26 years old and 200 games of experience isn't Marek Zidlicky levels of experience, but it's not like he's Xavier Ouellet either. You're making it seem like it's reasonable to expect rookie mistakes out of him because "he's young", when in reality he's played the better part of three full season (admittedly one was only 48 games). He shouldn't still be making bush league mistakes.

The Abby comparison is a reach. Abby didn't produce well until this season, but he did everything else right. He played special teams, worked hard, was defensively sound, forechecked, was physical. The only weak part of his game was his negligible offensive skills. Conversely, Smith A) doesn't produce offense, B) doesn't play good defense, C) doesn't play on the special teams, D) isn't phyiscal. Abby had value, even when he didn't score. Which is why he stayed in the lineup. What's Brendan's value to the team? Seriously, what is it that he does well?

Edit: FYI, Kindl has only played roughly 250 games and is universally considered a bust. So if Smith still sucks in 50 games is he a bust too? Or is Kindl still too young and inexperienced to really know?

This is Smith's 2nd full season. Kindl is 2 years older and has been with the Wings around 4 years. It is funny how Kindl has scored every time he's played since being benched though.

Kindl and Smith haven't panned out. Ericsson has been a decent profit considering where we drafted him. He should probably be traded but he isn't a bust. We kind of need all three of Marchenko, Sproul and Oullette to turn out great because trading for defenseman of quality is nearly impossible these days. And we have to admit that they will all need to be in the lineup soon, so Holland needs to make space.

I context of where drafted and currently I would agree. In contract terms I feel Ericsson has been the worst on the team. Either way Marchenko should be active in the line up for one of them.

[number9 3,297]

This is Smith's 2nd full season. Kindl is 2 years older and has been with the Wings around 4 years. It is funny how Kindl has scored every time he's played since being benched though.

I context of where drafted and currently I would agree. In contract terms I feel Ericsson has been the worst on the team. Either way Marchenko should be active in the line up for one of them.

Kindl has played 52 more NHL games than Smith. Not exactly 2 seasons, not even one.

Smith and Kindl were both drafted at similar draft positions. Both are of similar build. Both are regarded to have offensive upside. Both make dumb mistakes. Both are prone to defensive lapses. Both have similar point totals (Kindl's ppg has been much better than Smith's the last 2 years). Yet both are not treated the same (by us).

I heralded Smith (but never Kindl) when he was a prospect as our next great d-man, as many of us did. It's time to reassess. He's 26 now and going down the exact same path as Kindl. At this point, If you don't like Kindl, you shouldn't like Smith. I would be fine to see them both go.

Kronwall - Ericsson

DK - Zidlicky

Quincey - Marchenko

Ouellet

[barabbas16 499]

Kindl and Smith haven't panned out. Ericsson has been a decent profit considering where we drafted him. He should probably be traded but he isn't a bust. We kind of need all three of Marchenko, Sproul and Oullette to turn out great because trading for defenseman of quality is nearly impossible these days. And we have to admit that they will all need to be in the lineup soon, so Holland needs to make space.

I wonder if Jensen will get a look in Detroit next year. The rest of those guys will still be waiver exempt, won't they?

[VM1138 1,921]

I don't know. I think Oullette is out of options after this year.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I don't know. I think Oullette is out of options after this year.

Ouellet, Marchenko, Sproul and Jensen all have until 2016-17. The games played mark for 19-year-old signed players is 160, so they're all safe there, too.

[LeftWinger 4,949]

From what I remember from capgeek, Jensen is out of options this year and the other three have until 2016. But, I mentioned this one time and somebody said they seem to think all 4 have until 2016 for exemptions. Of course that also depends on how much playing time any of them get next season. In the other thread, I figured that Jensen would be the most obvious choice to come up and be the #7 because of the 4 kids, he seems to be the only one not "projected" to be a top 4 NHL player. Also, its my belief that none of the other 3 kids will come up to sit in the press box 75% of the season when they can being getting that last long season in GR.

Smith makes me angry, just a few years ago he was the top defensive prospect and when we lost out on Suter, a lot of us, me included, were bragging how Smith was going to develope into a better defenseman than Suter anyhow, boy were we wrong. For a couple of seasons now, I have been ok with the prospects of trading Smith, especially this season as he is set to become an RFA and if he goes to arbitration we get stuck with him for a least another year per CBA rules. It's better to trade his rights at the draft of sometime before the arbitration period. I am not, though, in favor of trading for Phanuef unless is a salary wash or they retain salary. We are going to need Cap to re-sign Gus, Pulk and Jurco, and then next year, I think Sheahan, Dekeyser and Mrazek are all up. They will most certainly get big raises. The best scenario IMO is trade Weiss, Smith, Q if possible. That would free up $9M in space, plus send Smith off somewhere to where he can get fair market value. Dumping Kindl is also going to free up over $2M more space. But if acquiring Phanuef means losing anyone named Mantha/Larkin/Tatar/Nyquist/Marchenko/Oullet/Sproul/AA, then no thank you. I'd rather see them trade the other players for picks, then re-sign Zidz and try to land a top d-man come July 1.

Not that it has anything to do with Smith, but it could have something to do with a trade package, IIRC Louis-Marc Aubry is also out of exemptions after this summer and an RFA. Plus against the Cap, if indeed Jensen is out of options, he is also an RFA that would need to be re-signed. He won't cost much, but every little bit counts.

Edited April 11, 2015 by LeftWinger

[Jesusberg 1,256]

From what I remember from capgeek, Jensen is out of options this year and the other three have until 2016. But, I mentioned this one time and somebody said they seem to think all 4 have until 2016 for exemptions. Of course that also depends on how much playing time any of them get next season. In the other thread, I figured that Jensen would be the most obvious choice to come up and be the #7 because of the 4 kids, he seems to be the only one not "projected" to be a top 4 NHL player. Also, its my belief that none of the other 3 kids will come up to sit in the press box 75% of the season when they can being getting that last long season in GR.

That was probably me. One of the guys over at The Production Line has a great resource for player information - a google doc with all the specifics about cap hits, waivers, etc.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhRmiZsKUESLdHU1U0ZlalFJeEV6UU94N0J6TVQxNXc&usp=sharing#gid=0

So, as you can see, all four guys have until 2016-17. Nedomlel does too, but I didn't think he was worth mentioning.

Edited April 11, 2015 by Jesusberg

[matt198913 932]

I think Smith starts game 1 in the playoffs, but he's on a very short leash

[Nevermind 363]

I think Smith starts game 1 in the playoffs

Tampa Bay, Montreal or New York will be thrilled then.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I'm annoyed that he doesn't just take responsibility and admit he screwed up. Stop tip-toeing around it. "It was a mistake, I screwed up."

I'd respect him a lot more for being accountable.

http://www.freep.com/videos/sports/nhl/red-wings/2015/04/11/25634605/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[dirtydangles 1,328]

I'm annoyed that he doesn't just take responsibility and admit he screwed up. Stop tip-toeing around it. "It was a mistake, I screwed up."

I'd respect him a lot more for being accountable.

http://www.freep.com/videos/sports/nhl/red-wings/2015/04/11/25634605/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Smith has got to be the least articulate player on the team. He has a hard time finding words and not stuttering in interviews

[kickazz 5,459]

Smith has got to be the least articulate player on the team. He has a hard time finding words and not stuttering in interviews

Worse than Datsyuk?

[Nevermind 363]

I'm annoyed that he doesn't just take responsibility and admit he screwed up. Stop tip-toeing around it. "It was a mistake, I screwed up."

I'd respect him a lot more for being accountable.

http://www.freep.com/videos/sports/nhl/red-wings/2015/04/11/25634605/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

My thoughts exactly. If anything, his response won't really endear himself with Babcock heading into Game 1 of the playoffs.

Edited April 11, 2015 by Nevermind

[kickazz 5,459]

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2015/04/11/detroit-red-wings-brendan-smith/25633727/

Asked if that was behind scratching Smith, Babcock replied, "everything is a reflection on everything you do, that's just life."

Smith said, "I haven't had a conversation with Babs. Maybe he's saving me like Kronner. I haven't talked to him about it, so I don't know. I'm not sure. I have no idea."

LOL. Oh Smith.. You're not as special as you think you are.

[freshy 181]

Good Lord Smitty is dense. What is he babbling on about pucks hitting sticks & people on the bench for? Dude, you reached out and by your own admission tried to GRAB a puck that was in play.

let me help you out Brendan. The next time you go full retard & Helen asks you about it, this should be your only response:

"I regret making the play, I was not thinking." Full stop.

Edited April 11, 2015 by freshy

[themcityblues 249]

His response was so cringe-worthy. Agh.

[kickazz 5,459]

Good Lord Smitty is dense. What is he babbling on about pucks hitting sticks & people on the bench for? Dude, you reached out and by your own admission tried to GRAB a puck that was in play. let me help you out Brendan. The next time you go full retard & Helen asks you about it, this should be your only response: "I regret making the play, I was not thinking." Full stop.

Smith doesn't represent his Winged Wheel too well. I mean compare this 26 year old kid to the likes of a 26 year old Zetterberg or Datsyuk or Lidstrom or Federov, Yzerman and the list goes on. If you're from a classy organization then the least you could do is be a big boy and admit the mistake or at the very least be real about it. "I screwed up, learning experience, felt like it was unnecessary on my part".

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

Worse than Datsyuk?

Yes. Datsyuk is probably quite articulate in his home language. English is smiths first language that's the difference.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2015/04/11/detroit-red-wings-brendan-smith/25633727/

Asked if that was behind scratching Smith, Babcock replied, "everything is a reflection on everything you do, that's just life."

Smith said, "I haven't had a conversation with Babs. Maybe he's saving me like Kronner. I haven't talked to him about it, so I don't know. I'm not sure. I have no idea."

LOL. Oh Smith.. You're not as special as you think you are.

I'm sure he has. Don't kid yourself Babs probably told him to say that

[kickazz 5,459]

Yes. Datsyuk is probably quite articulate in his home language. English is smiths first language that's the difference.

I'm sure he has. Don't kid yourself Babs probably told him to say that

Do you not sense the sarcasm in either of my statements.

Edited April 12, 2015 by kickazz

[Guest Playmaker]

Smith doesn't represent his Winged Wheel too well. I mean compare this 26 year old kid to the likes of a 26 year old Zetterberg or Datsyuk or Lidstrom or Federov, Yzerman and the list goes on. If you're from a classy organization then the least you could do is be a big boy and admit the mistake or at the very least be real about it. "I screwed up, learning experience, felt like it was unnecessary on my part".

Not sure I'd include Fedorov on that list. It took Sergei quite a while to learn the "Red Wing" way and learn the meaning of humble. He had a few cringe worthy moments his first few seasons.