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Babcock: Petr Mrazek is starting Game 1

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I'll leave the analysis to everyone else - me I'm just glad to see a little accountability here. Nobody on this team should see their job as a given, not matter what their age or salary. Way overdue.

That's a crock. Cleary and Samuelsson took roster spots away from more deserving players for years.

Way overdue means that it hasn't been the case in past years (i.e. Cleary, Sammuelsson). So he is basically saying the same thing as you. This year there has been more accountability. Ask Brendan Smith and Kindl.

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His puck handling I'll give you, but I disagree on the 100 times more comfortable. And I don't know how you can tell who wants it more. No matter how Jimmy is playing, one thing is for sure is that he's a fiery competitor. I'm guessing he wanted to hang onto his starting job pretty badly.

I know Mrazek plays an aggressive style but there were games he was so overly aggressive he was taking himself way out of position. And Mrazek has yet to put together a string of good performances. Jimmy started turning his game around, had some good games and made huge saves, but then let in those brutally soft goals.

Neither one won the starting position. It's basically a gamble of who will hopefully screw up less, or get it together in the postseason in a way they didn't manage to during the regular season.

Better to be overly aggressive to me than not feel you have to move side to side and to keep your 5 hole open so mac truck could run through it. Howard just looks like there has to be something wrong. Best goalies in the league are very aggressive. Goalies that don't' last play like Howard. And babs seems to agree with me on this one at the moment.

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Way overdue means that it hasn't been the case in past years (i.e. Cleary, Sammuelsson). So he is basically saying the same thing as you. This year there has been more accountability. Ask Brendan Smith and Kindl.

I know. I just think it's funny that Babcock is doing that now. In his last season.

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Thinking the Habs game was the last straw but I still didn't think Babs would actually make the switch. Not sure how Howie can come back from this either unless Mrazek stumbles and he is sparkling in relief.

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His puck handling I'll give you, but I disagree on the 100 times more comfortable. And I don't know how you can tell who wants it more. No matter how Jimmy is playing, one thing is for sure is that he's a fiery competitor. I'm guessing he wanted to hang onto his starting job pretty badly.

I know Mrazek plays an aggressive style but there were games he was so overly aggressive he was taking himself way out of position. And Mrazek has yet to put together a string of good performances. Jimmy started turning his game around, had some good games and made huge saves, but then let in those brutally soft goals.

Neither one won the starting position. It's basically a gamble of who will hopefully screw up less, or get it together in the postseason in a way they didn't manage to during the regular season.

Red Wings are fortunate that you don't moderate the roster. :)

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Better to be overly aggressive to me than not feel you have to move side to side and to keep your 5 hole open so mac truck could run through it. Howard just looks like there has to be something wrong. Best goalies in the league are very aggressive. Goalies that don't' last play like Howard. And babs seems to agree with me on this one at the moment.

That Lundqvist guy doesn't play a very aggressive style and he's pretty good. I actually like Mrazek's aggressive play, but even for him there's times when he was all over the place.

Goalies that don't last play like Howard? I don't even know what that means, other than it sounds like you dislike Howard. I don't have a horse in this race. I seriously don't care who starts. I just hope they play well. I'm so over goalie controversies after years of listening to them, all the way back to when fans were arguing if it should be Hanlon or Stefan.

I'm just saying based on their performances headed up to the playoffs, neither one clearly won the job. It's why we had no idea who was starting until Babcock announced it.

Mrazek is starting game 1. Great. I hope the kid plays lights out.

Red Wings are fortunate that you don't moderate the roster. :)

I've not said that Howard should be starting over Mrazek for game one, so I'm not sure what your point is.

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That Lundqvist guy doesn't play a very aggressive style and he's pretty good. I actually like Mrazek's aggressive play, but even for him there's times when he was all over the place.

Goalies that don't last play like Howard? I don't even know what that means, other than it sounds like you dislike Howard. I don't have a horse in this race. I seriously don't care who starts. I just hope they play well. I'm so over goalie controversies after years of listening to them, all the way back to when fans were arguing if it should be Hanlon or Stefan.

I'm just saying based on their performances headed up to the playoffs, neither one clearly won the job. It's why we had no idea who was starting until Babcock announced it.

Mrazek is starting game 1. Great. I hope the kid plays lights out.

I've not said that Howard should be starting over Mrazek for game one, so I'm not sure what your point is.

:)

Comparing king Henrik to Jimmy is amusing. Henrik gets it done for his team. Jimmy hasn't. The king plays deep in his crease and stops pucks at key times and wins games for his team. Jimmy costs us. Montreal was the last straw and I don't blame babs.

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Comparing king Henrik to Jimmy is amusing. Henrik gets it done for his team. Jimmy hasn't. The king plays deep in his crease and stops pucks at key times and wins games for his team. Jimmy costs us. Montreal was the last straw and I don't blame babs.

It would be amusing had I actually compared Lundqvist to Howard. Go re-read my post, including the post I quoted. It was in the context of the best goalies in the league being very aggressive.

Lundqvist does not play an aggressive style, yet is among the best goalies in the league. That was my point.

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Comparing king Henrik to Jimmy is amusing. Henrik gets it done for his team. Jimmy hasn't. The king plays deep in his crease and stops pucks at key times and wins games for his team. Jimmy costs us. Montreal was the last straw and I don't blame babs.

Who is this King Henrik you speak of? The only King Henrik is Henrik Zetterberg on these forums.

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This could turn into the 2004 Stanley cup playoffs when they decided to start Manny Legace in the first round over Curtis Joseph only to regret the decision and eventually had Cujo take over to win the 1st series (but then lost in second series).

But I'm trying to be optimistic since Mrazek isn't Manny Legace when it comes to puck handling.

Id rather compare it to 08 when Ozzie took over for Hasek.

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Comparing king Henrik to Jimmy is amusing. Henrik gets it done for his team. Jimmy hasn't. The king plays deep in his crease and stops pucks at key times and wins games for his team. Jimmy costs us. Montreal was the last straw and I don't blame babs.

The only people in this country who should be called "The King" are Gable and Elvis.

The guy who's only been to the Finals once shouldn't have that nickname. I mean, even Martin Brodeur didn't have a nickname like that.

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Mrazek isn't Manny Legace in any way, shape, or form. Legace was a career backup who overachieved for a minute and got in over his head. Mrazek is a rookie with tons of upside who was supposed to be in the AHL right now. Mrazek has got all the makings of a strong starter. I don't know if this is the right decision, but this is nothing like the Legace situation. Legace was and is a joke; Mrazek is the real deal, though he may not be quite ready yet.

Legace wasn't that bad. He made it to all star appearance, something not a lot of goalies can claim. Besides it's too early to make claims on Mrazek. As of now, he's good. Who knows what will happen in the next few years. Can't jump the gun till we see results. Mrazek can def show some results these playoffs, it's his opportunity to do so.

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Comparing king Henrik to Jimmy is amusing. Henrik gets it done for his team. Jimmy hasn't. The king plays deep in his crease and stops pucks at key times and wins games for his team. Jimmy costs us. Montreal was the last straw and I don't blame babs.

Who compared Jimmy to the King? The poster you replied to said that Lundquist isn't aggressive, because the person he replied to said the best goalies are aggressive.

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Here's the problem. Those teams that upset us in 2003, 2004 and 2006 didn't just do it with hot goaltending. They did it with tight checking, physical defense and hard work. They also limited their mistakes.

This team doesn't do any of those other things well, even if Mrazek plays amazing.

Exactly right.

Personally I'm hoping more for a "2010 Halak" type scenario. That Montreal team was not overly tight or physical. At least not like Anaheim in 03, Calgary in 04 or Edmonton in 06 were. Halak beat Pittsburgh and Washington almost by himself.

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Who compared Jimmy to the King? The poster you replied to said that Lundquist isn't aggressive, because the person he replied to said the best goalies are aggressive.

My bad I read it wrong. It sounded like he was implying something else. Apologies.

I am simply stating I don't think this team will ever win with Howard in net and babs has realized that.

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Exactly right.

Personally I'm hoping more for a "2010 Halak" type scenario. That Montreal team was not overly tight or physical. At least not like Anaheim in 03, Calgary in 04 or Edmonton in 06 were. Halak beat Pittsburgh and Washington almost by himself.

And with the help of Cammalleri, who was a man possessed in those playoffs.

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I understand the move, but I can't imagine a scenario where Mrazek wins this series for us. He's been better than Howard down the stretch for us and did shut them out recently, however, 23 year old goalie with zero playoff experience and consistency issues throughout the year doesn't give me confidence. Howard hasn't been good, but the playoffs are a whole different story, he has playoff experience and if can get back into his usual form, we could go pretty deep. I hope I'm wrong, but I bet we see Howard in this series at some point.

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I understand the move, but I can't imagine a scenario where Mrazek wins this series for us. He's been better than Howard down the stretch for us and did shut them out recently, however, 23 year old goalie with zero playoff experience and consistency issues throughout the year doesn't give me confidence. Howard hasn't been good, but the playoffs are a whole different story, he has playoff experience and if can get back into his usual form, we could go pretty deep. I hope I'm wrong, but I bet we see Howard in this series at some point.

I thought he was our best player against Minnesota, not giving him the next game (against the Hurricanes?) could turn out to be a huge mistake. I'm convinced we are going to see him in the third period of game 1.

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“I just watch the guys play and I just thought that gives us the best way to start the series,” Babcock said. “Don’t confuse the player and the person. What I do is try and take all the emotion out of it and I try to take the information I have by watching games and by talking to our staff and then I make the decision that’s best for the team.”

"It’s not about any of us right now, it’s about the Detroit Red Wings,” Babcock said. “It’s real simple. I went through that again this morning, it doesn’t matter if you play one shift or 50 shifts or you’re scratched or not, it’s how you handle it and how you make the team better. The individual time of the year is all over. It’s all about the team, let’s get ready to play.”

Some comments from Babs.

Source: http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/post-practice-articles-mrazek-starts-marchenko-and-ferraro-are-in-abdelkade

Jimmy doesn't seem to be handling it too well.

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Where did you read about Jimmy's reaction?

St James tweeted that she asked to speak with him and Wings PR people told her he had already left the building.

It probably is better to go vent and collect your thoughts someplace else. I don't blame him for being pissed.

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St James tweeted that she asked to speak with him and Wings PR people told her he had already left the building.

It probably is better to go vent and collect your thoughts someplace else. I don't blame him for being pissed.

Doesn't mean anything. Just means he left. Let's not speculate. Don't you ever leave work before the media finds you?

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