Dabura 12,205 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/21/hobey-baker-finalist-hyman-wont-sign-with-florida/ University of Michigan senior Zach Hyman — taken by Florida in the fifth round of the 2010 NHL Entry Draft — has informed the Panthers he won’t be signing an entry-level deal with the club. The move will allow Hyman to become an unrestricted free agent on Aug. 16, though the Panthers may trade his rights before then. Regardless, the Sunrise-based team will be losing out on a fairly promising prospect; Hyman led the Wolverines in scoring this year, with 54 points in 37 games, and finished as a Hobey Baker finalist. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/zach-hyman/ Hyman has above-average speed and is a smooth and shifty skater. He has good lateral quickness and excellent stability on his skates. Hyman has shown dramatic improvement in his defensive and physical play during his college career and plays a disciplined, hard hitting game in his own zone. He has become a quality possession player who takes a lot of defensive zone starts and converts them into up-ice pressure. Hyman is enjoying his finest college season as a senior at Michigan in 2014-15. He is the Wolverines' leading scorer as Michigan has been among the top teams in the country for much of the year. Likely to sign an entry-level contract with Florida following his college season, he may need time at the minor level to adjust to pro hockey. Long-term, Hyman appears versatile enough to play either center or winger and could blossom into a dangerous, two-way scoring forward with tremendous professional potential. Hyman and Dylan Larkin were so good together this season that I have to think Kenny will try very hard to land him. 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I don't get what his goal is here, like he had one good season in college as a senior... Is he trying to cash in just in case he isn't good enough to stick in professional hockey, because I really don't see many other teams he'd have an easier shot at making... Maybe Toronto, MAYBE, but Florida is lacking in wingers... Unless he was already guaranteed playing time somewhere, or this was specifically designed with signing in Detroit in mind (to stay with dylarkin,or stay in Michigan) I don't get his end game. 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 http://m.thestar.com/#/article/sports/hockey/2010/09/16/how_a_dad_with_nhl_dreams_bankrolled_a_hockey_empire.html This was... Interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I don't get what his goal is here, like he had one good season in college as a senior... Is he trying to cash in just in case he isn't good enough to stick in professional hockey, because I really don't see many other teams he'd have an easier shot at making... Maybe Toronto, MAYBE, but Florida is lacking in wingers... Unless he was already guaranteed playing time somewhere, or this was specifically designed with signing in Detroit in mind (to stay with dylarkin,or stay in Michigan) I don't get his end game. I think he just doesn't want to sign with a crap organization if he can help it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I wouldn't mind if they offered him a contract. They'll be shedding a few and I'm not sure if any of the prospects with a '15 deadline will be signed (McNulty, Wheaton, Marshall or Hudon). Not sure what Hyman's endgame is (I'm guessing he may want to jump right into the NHL), but I'd be comfortable taking a chance on him. He'd have to start in GR, though. 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I wouldn't mind if they offered him a contract. They'll be shedding a few and I'm not sure if any of the prospects with a '15 deadline will be signed (McNulty, Wheaton, Marshall or Hudon). Not sure what Hyman's endgame is (I'm guessing he may want to jump right into the NHL), but I'd be comfortable taking a chance on him. He'd have to start in GR, though. Thinking McNulty and Wheaton will be signed 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 Thinking McNulty and Wheaton will be signed I'd like them to hang onto one of them - doesn't hurt to have size in the system down the line. I'm just not overly convinced they'll sign both players. With Wheaton sidelined for most of the season, they could keep him around to get a better look. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I haven't seen much of either of these guys and I don't think I seen either of them play a single game since last season. In saying that, from the little I have seen and articles I've read, I think Wheaton is the better player. He has had a couple pretty serious shoulder injuries over the past few seasons though... is that enough for the Wings to steer clear of him? I don't know. But I agree, I would like if we could hang onto one of these big bastards... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) Everyone know how many contracts the wings have locked up? 50 is the limit right? If we dan get human for free than why not As for mcnulty and wheaton I'd sign them both ... We all know our weakest position is at d and these 2 kids are still ... Well ... Kids and they are both huge guys so I'd locked them up Back from a January article "Marc has always been a player we have coveted off the Cougars roster...Marc is a big and mobile defenseman. He has shown some offensive abilities and also can play with an edge." Wheaton article http://www.kelownacapnews.com/sports/rockets/news/294876861.html Edited April 22, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,205 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I think he just doesn't want to sign with a crap organization if he can help it. That would be my guess. While I have no way of knowing how he feels about the Wings, he knows Larkin is going to be a Red Wing in a couple years, and he knows he played his stellar senior season on Larkin's wing. From our perspective...he's a pretty big body, right-winger (who can play center), shoots right, led a solid Wolverines teams in scoring. And Hockey's Future is correct: he "plays a disciplined, hard hitting game in his own zone" and "has become a quality possession player who takes a lot of defensive zone starts and converts them into up-ice pressure." He's exactly the kind of winger we're looking for (better than Kyle Baun, who we pursued but lost to Chicago), and we may be able to get him for free. Datsyuk and Zetterberg...Nyquist and Tatar...Mantha and Athanasiou...Larkin and Hyman... 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,205 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 He was also the Big Ten scoring champion. 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Everyone know how many contracts the wings have locked up? 50 is the limit right? If we dan get human for free than why not As for mcnulty and wheaton I'd sign them both ... We all know our weakest position is at d and these 2 kids are still ... Well ... Kids and they are both huge guys so I'd locked them up Back from a January article "Marc has always been a player we have coveted off the Cougars roster...Marc is a big and mobile defenseman. He has shown some offensive abilities and also can play with an edge." Wheaton article http://www.kelownacapnews.com/sports/rockets/news/294876861.html This says we're at 49 contracts: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhRmiZsKUESLdHU1U0ZlalFJeEV6UU94N0J6TVQxNXc&usp=sharing#gid=0 As for Hyman, I think it's worth a shot, but I also think it's important to temper our expectations. Anyone remember Willie Coetzee? He showed some chemistry with Ferraro the year that Landon scored 37 in Red Deer. Doesn't always work out... Edited April 23, 2015 by Jesusberg 1 jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Hyman sounds like he has a high potential for being a bust. A 3year entry level deal may be too much to risk on him if it costs a possibly better player a roster spot. That being said I think his first choice is clearly the Wings, unless he's a true blue Leafs homer. Shafting the kats in order to go play with your buddy Larkin in GR makes sense to me. Edited April 23, 2015 by number9 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted April 23, 2015 This says we're at 49 contracts: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhRmiZsKUESLdHU1U0ZlalFJeEV6UU94N0J6TVQxNXc&usp=sharing#gid=0 As for Hyman, I think it's worth a shot, but I also think it's important to temper our expectations. Anyone remember Willie Coetzee? He showed some chemistry with Ferraro the year that Landon scored 37 in Red Deer. Doesn't always work out... Thanks for the list man ... Didn't think guys from Grand Rapids like Miele and porter would count ... I see quite a few guys leaving and making place for other guys for us to sign anyways As for hyman he doesn't cost us anything so if he can be had for free then just sign him and whatever happens happens Hyman sounds like he has a high potential for being a bust. A 3year entry level deal may be too much to risk on him if it costs a possibly better player a roster spot. That being said I think his first choice is clearly the Wings, unless he's a true blue Leafs homer. Shafting the kats in order to go play with your buddy Larkin in GR makes sense to me. Gotta think porter Miele Aubry McCollum cole cleary etc... Will most likely not return thus giving us space to sign him and mcnulty/wheaton and a free agent or 2 If he doesn't pan out I can't see a team not taking a chance on a 23 yr old kid with potential 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the list man ... Didn't think guys from Grand Rapids like Miele and porter would count ... I see quite a few guys leaving and making place for other guys for us to sign anyways As for hyman he doesn't cost us anything so if he can be had for free then just sign him and whatever happens happens Gotta think porter Miele Aubry McCollum cole cleary etc... Will most likely not return thus giving us space to sign him and mcnulty/wheaton and a free agent or 2 If he doesn't pan out I can't see a team not taking a chance on a 23 yr old kid with potential I have a feeling well keep miele. Career top six ahlers arent a bad thing to have around, especially when you have so many skilled guys coming through.But I don't know the rules on two way contracts/contract limits and whether or not miele has given up on being an nhler, or if the wings ever have plans to bring him up. So if we're under the contract limit, signing him couldn't hurt. Edited April 23, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter 2 Jesusberg and MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the list man ... Didn't think guys from Grand Rapids like Miele and porter would count ... I see quite a few guys leaving and making place for other guys for us to sign anyways As for hyman he doesn't cost us anything so if he can be had for free then just sign him and whatever happens happens Gotta think porter Miele Aubry McCollum cole cleary etc... Will most likely not return thus giving us space to sign him and mcnulty/wheaton and a free agent or 2 If he doesn't pan out I can't see a team not taking a chance on a 23 yr old kid with potential I think Miele, McCollum and Aubry will be brought back. I can't seem to find it now, but there was a quote from Blashill recently saying that he thinks Aubry has more to offer. At the very least, I don't think it would hurt to keep him as a fourth-line center. I also think they'll keep McCollum around because of how he played down the stretch - Jake Paterson will likely start in Toledo. I agree about letting the other guys go, though. I think Porter is expendable, Cleary is done and I'm worried about Cole's health (though, I would want to hang onto a healthy version of Erik Cole). Kind of a dark horse for a contract, but I wonder what the brass thinks of Mark Zengerle. He was sixth in scoring among GR forwards. I'd prefer Hyman over Zengerle, for the record. Two years younger and more upside. I have a feeling well keep miele. Career top six ahlers arent a bad thing to have around, especially when you have so many skilled guys coming through. But I don't know the rules on two way contracts/contract limits and whether or not miele has given up on being an nhler, or if the wings ever have plans to bring him up. So if we're under the contract limit, signing him couldn't hurt. That's the question with Miele. I like him down in GR - gives the team some real scoring depth. They're going to be an inexperienced team up front next season. We're probably looking at a top line with Hoggan-AA-Mantha on it and Tvrdon-Nosek-Frk as a line. It would be nice to have a line with some experience on it. Perhaps Bertuzzi-Miele and another winger. Even with guys like Pulkkinen, Ferraro (and hopefully Callahan) moving up, they've got a solid team. Edited April 23, 2015 by Jesusberg 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted April 23, 2015 I have a feeling well keep miele. Career top six ahlers arent a bad thing to have around, especially when you have so many skilled guys coming through. But I don't know the rules on two way contracts/contract limits and whether or not miele has given up on being an nhler, or if the wings ever have plans to bring him up. So if we're under the contract limit, signing him couldn't hurt. I think miele re-signing depends almost solely on that.. A solid AHL center and hometown boy? I would love for him to stay in GR unless he has a shot at the NHL anywhere else but with the combination of his age and how he didn't stick in phoenix after success at the ahl level, chances are looking slim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted April 23, 2015 I think miele re-signing depends almost solely on that.. A solid AHL center and hometown boy? I would love for him to stay in GR unless he has a shot at the NHL anywhere else but with the combination of his age and how he didn't stick in phoenix after success at the ahl level, chances are looking slim. He's only played 15 NHL games, if I was him I'd want another look 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted April 23, 2015 is larkin going back to UofM? if not then Hyman is ours if he is then the Maple Laughs can attempt to develop him lmao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted April 23, 2015 I think Miele, McCollum and Aubry will be brought back. I can't seem to find it now, but there was a quote from Blashill recently saying that he thinks Aubry has more to offer. At the very least, I don't think it would hurt to keep him as a fourth-line center. I also think they'll keep McCollum around because of how he played down the stretch - Jake Paterson will likely start in Toledo. I agree about letting the other guys go, though. I think Porter is expendable, Cleary is done and I'm worried about Cole's health (though, I would want to hang onto a healthy version of Erik Cole). Kind of a dark horse for a contract, but I wonder what the brass thinks of Mark Zengerle. He was sixth in scoring among GR forwards. I'd prefer Hyman over Zengerle, for the record. Two years younger and more upside. That's the question with Miele. I like him down in GR - gives the team some real scoring depth. They're going to be an inexperienced team up front next season. We're probably looking at a top line with Hoggan-AA-Mantha on it and Tvrdon-Nosek-Frk as a line. It would be nice to have a line with some experience on it. Perhaps Bertuzzi-Miele and another winger. Even with guys like Pulkkinen, Ferraro (and hopefully Callahan) moving up, they've got a solid team. Just can't see McCollum stick around again even though he played good , he's 25 and he sees mrazek and howard ahead of him ... Patterson coming up ... And coreau ... I think he will go on to another team he could have a shot at being a backup in the nhl at some point during the season (Edm comes to mind obviously) Miele as well is 26 and if he wants a shot in the nhl he wil go elsewhere , Grand Rapids is stacked full of young talent and no place in Grand Rapids I suspect he will go on a team he might actually be given a shot at training camp You mentioned Callahan possibly being a wing I just don't see it happening unless were willing to let go of a miller or/and Andersson (which wouldn't bother me) unless he went through waivers yet again and went unclaimed again can't see him being in detroit ... Maybe we'll just let him go ... Too many kids coming up I'd actually pay to see every Grand Rapids game this season .... Can't remember a team this stacked full of prospects with potential Athanasiou mantha .... Bertuzzi nastasiuk ... Frk tvrdon nosek .... Some of jensen ouellet sproul (gotta think 1 might make the team) ... Umm hyman? Lol Man Grand Rapids gonna be exciting to watch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted April 24, 2015 Just can't see McCollum stick around again even though he played good , he's 25 and he sees mrazek and howard ahead of him ... Patterson coming up ... And coreau ... I think he will go on to another team he could have a shot at being a backup in the nhl at some point during the season (Edm comes to mind obviously) Miele as well is 26 and if he wants a shot in the nhl he wil go elsewhere , Grand Rapids is stacked full of young talent and no place in Grand Rapids I suspect he will go on a team he might actually be given a shot at training camp You mentioned Callahan possibly being a wing I just don't see it happening unless were willing to let go of a miller or/and Andersson (which wouldn't bother me) unless he went through waivers yet again and went unclaimed again can't see him being in detroit ... Maybe we'll just let him go ... Too many kids coming up I'd actually pay to see every Grand Rapids game this season .... Can't remember a team this stacked full of prospects with potential Athanasiou mantha .... Bertuzzi nastasiuk ... Frk tvrdon nosek .... Some of jensen ouellet sproul (gotta think 1 might make the team) ... Umm hyman? Lol Man Grand Rapids gonna be exciting to watch Callahan seems to be a special kid. Can't see the Red Wings waiving him again or ditching him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted April 24, 2015 I hope you're right because I'm a huge Callahan fan. I'm just worried with him being injured for the latter half of this season, and Ferraro looking to cement his spot in the lineup, there may not be room for both of them... As it stands right now we have Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen (LTIR), Nyquist (RFA), Tatar, Jurco (RFA), Sheahan, Helm, Abdelkader, Weiss, Cole (UFA), Pulkkinen (RFA), Glendening, Miller, Andersson (RFA), Cleary (UFA), Ferraro (RFA), Callahan (RFA)... That's 18 forwards. I think both UFA's (Cole and Cleary) are gone next season. If Franzen remains on LTIR, that's another spot available. We'll definitely be re-signing Nyquist, Jurco and Pulkkinen and likely Andersson as well, although I'd prefer to let him walk... We should look to trade Weiss, although I don't see there being any takers, unless we take back another bad contract... With Larkin, Mantha, Athanasiou, Bertuzzi, etc. all knocking on the door over this next couple years, I'd pass on Hyman, unless he's willing to play in Grand Rapids, which I doubt... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted April 24, 2015 That's just it - it's unlikely that both Landon and Callahan wind up on the roster. Personally, I'd take either guy over Andersson. It basically has to work out so that Franzen remains on IR, Cole's not re-signed and they let Andy walk. I might be in the minority, but I'd be in favor of rolling with this roster:Helm-Datsyuk-TatarAbby-Zetterberg-NyquistWeiss-Sheahan-JurcoMiller-Glendening-FerraroCallahan, PulkkinenIdeally, the Wings find a suitor for Weiss, but I doubt that will happen. I think you've got two guys in Pulkkinen and Jurco who can swap in and out of the lineup, maybe even move into higher positions based on the play of other guys. Ferraro and Callahan could split time on the fourth line. I just like the look of that roster. It allows for guys to earn more ice time - good balance of youth and veterans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted April 25, 2015 If we don't find a way to get rid of Weiss, I have a feeling hell be the guy that pulks beats out for the job. Iirc teemu is out of options next year, so I imagine it'll be like the Tatar situation at the beginning of last year... The differences being we don't have as much dead weight for him to replaced, and teemu probably won't be anywhere near as productive as tats was. 1 Jesusberg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted April 25, 2015 If we don't find a way to get rid of Weiss, I have a feeling hell be the guy that pulks beats out for the job. Iirc teemu is out of options next year, so I imagine it'll be like the Tatar situation at the beginning of last year... The differences being we don't have as much dead weight for him to replaced, and teemu probably won't be anywhere near as productive as tats was. I agree. That way that Babs views Weiss, I think it's Pulks' job to lose. Like you said, though, he won't be as productive as Tatar when jumping into the lineup. I think this summer will be huge for Pulkkinen. Needs to add some strength and refine certain parts of his game. Raw skills are there, for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites