gdt ECQF Game 4 GDT : Lightning 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) - Series Tied 2-2

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

I never said "goon", I just knew what he was talking about. Also, i know there wasn't a fight, but several people said there was nothing wrong coburn manhandling glendenning from behind because this is hockey. It comes from permissive attitudes towards fighting.

Roughing up a player has nothing to do with fighting. Facewashing and scrums in the playoffs are hardly something to complain about. When the other team pulls a Bob Hartley and send McGrattan and Westgarth on the opening faceoff to start a scrum, then you guys can complain. Glendenning is supposed to be a chippy player himself. We just need to deal with it.

[MrazekFanBoy 223]

Well apparently he's not the best all around player because he was not number 1 for +/- stats . (or any other stat for that matter) Sry but Toews is not at Pavs level even with Pav being 36. Pav is still > Toews. Pav is older too that's what makes the case for Toews weaker. Pav produces more points per game AND he had more takeaways in the season than Toews who played almost 20 more games than Pav did.

Toews is a top 15 player, Pav is a top 10 player. At age 36 too.

I said pav was the best at 100%

[kickazz 5,459]

ok fair enough. let me backup how about I reword my statement to maybe he should sit and heal before he's put back into the line. I wasn't saying he should never play again as in quit the game, just that maybe he shouldn't be playing if he's in such bad condition. I am a Z fan in the end either way but I hate seeing him just not where he use to be.

I agree with you. He's not the playoff Z of old. But he's still doing a hell of a better job than most of our forwards. Who do you want to put in for Z? Weiss? Cleary?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

it was Helms bad decision that caused the first goal, plus it was Helm on Johnson at the other end, not E. So if someone was going to trip him, it would've been Helm. Also, Mrazek was 6 minutes away from back to back shutouts, not 2. I agree E made a mistake on the 2nd goal, but Helm caused the 1st goal, if he doesn't try to be fancy, thus game would've been over in regulation. This loss is on Helm.

Most goals are the result of multiple breakdowns. Helm definitely got beat but at some point Ericsson has to come over and help. And E was definitely a factor on Palat's goal as well, but wasn't that pretty much Datsyuk's man?

Dats was skating back and looked like he didn't really pick anyone to cover. He goes over and challenges Palat, who is also being challenged by Ericsson and a backchecker ( I think Tatar?) so now there's three Wings players all within arms length of each other right at the blueline, then Datsyuk comes down the middle but doesn't shoulder check to see Palat cutting backdoor.

Watching the replay, coverage looks like a complete mess.

[kickazz 5,459]

I said pav was the best at 100%

Pav is better than Toews even at 50% the stats from this year even prove it. He has a better PPG, more takeaways, LESS penalty minutes than Toews and played almost 20 LESS games than him. You can't just say Toews is the best player when Toews has nothing to show for it. Pav is better than him in every facet even now. Z past his prime was better than him in 2013 playoffs as well. That's the thing with these main stream canadian players. They get more and more overrated as their careers pass.

Edited April 24, 2015 by kickazz

[LeftWinger 4,961]

just shoot the puck and don't get cutesy...simple, you do that good things happen. Glenny or not, shoot the puck and the tide never turns.

[GoWings! 179]

It's a morale killing if they can't overcome it. And if they can't overcome it, then screw them. This team blew a 3-1 series lead a few season ago. They need to man up sometime.

As I said, I don't feel as bad about losing as I used to, because in cases like this, the loss is deserved. They screwed themselves.

Well my problem is I keep thinking there's a magical aura around this team and that they are due for another Cup just because we have Zetts and D still and they deserve another but I'm just blinded by all that but the real fact is that this is a new nhl, a different era and we aren't exactly a hungry, beast of a team spewing talent in every position anymore. We aren't even close. Tonight's game really stung. I didn't think a collapse like that was possible in a playoff game but anything is possible. Well hopefully they steal another game in Tampa and win at home but this one really ticked me off.

Edited April 24, 2015 by GoWings!

[MrazekFanBoy 223]

50 really lol i'll say 70

But can you agree he's better than crosby? because he is

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

What is our overtime playoff record under Babcock?

Seems like he's taken over right where Dave "Hitler" Lewis left off.

[matt198913 932]

I really want to see what happened in that scrum. Some people are saying some outlandish things like Heddman slashed his hand or Killorn and Heddman were double teaming him.

[puckbags 863]

24 years of being a Wings fan and this ranks really high on the anger meter. Big E needs to have a turn in the rotation and sit on the bench for a game or two. Best of 3 and we've more than proven we can beat these guys. Game on !!

[kickazz 5,459]

I'm still upset about the loss i gotta drink somemore

[91forever 8]

I agree with you. He's not the playoff Z of old. But he's still doing a hell of a better job than most of our forwards. Who do you want to put in for Z? Weiss? Cleary?

I wouldn't chose either of those guys Cleary's time is up lol should have been several years ago but that being said would probably be doing better then Weiss. I would call up another rookie Martin Frk, he is a right handed shooter which is what the wings are missing in our game. We have way to many lefty's I would love to see the D he would bring to this game and he would be hungry. Just not sure we could handle the penalties he use to draw on the Moosheads lol. There is for sure a chemistry issue with some of the lines. Weiss was suppose to be something the Red Wings saw as great addition but am I wrong in saying he hasn't really delivered?

Edited April 24, 2015 by 91forever

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

Franzen will save us in game 7.

[lomekian 201]

it was Helms bad decision that caused the first goal, plus it was Helm on Johnson at the other end, not E. So if someone was going to trip him, it would've been Helm. Also, Mrazek was 6 minutes away from back to back shutouts, not 2. I agree E made a mistake on the 2nd goal, but Helm caused the 1st goal, if he doesn't try to be fancy, thus game would've been over in regulation. This loss is on Helm.

Helm got beat for speed both times by one of the only faster skaters in the league. Sure Helm could have tripped him, but he wasn't the last man. Ericsson was the last man, who had he been positioned correctly would have prevented the chance and even when he wasn't he should have put his stick in the skates when helm was beaten. But he skated slowly into a dead zone, marking nobody. Agreed helm's mistake started the first goal, but Ercisson had plenty of opportunity to rectify the situation

[kickazz 5,459]

But can you agree he's better than crosby? because he is

Overall i think Toews brings more to his team than Crosby does. He's a better leader, better defensively. But I dislike both players and think both have been overrated this few years. Toews maybe not as bad.

I will always support Datsyuk, Zetterberg even if they decline. I don't think there is anyone in the league that works harder than them thru injuries. Their contributions to the team and the city of Detroit is unparalleled. Z is having an off year and to me that's okay. He's done a lot for this franchise. Pav + Z to me will always be > Malkin/Crosby, Sedins, Kane/Toews, and so on. Been sticking up for Red Wings players since the days of the Russian 5 and always will. <3

Edited April 24, 2015 by kickazz

[joesuffP 1,746]

You can't pin this all on one guy like if he wasn't in the lineup we win the game. E mostly played a great game, like all our defensemen. Our defense played one of their most solid games I've ever seen. It was 3 breakdowns that went in the back of the net in quickly. Tough to stomach for sure but there's no reason to change the lineup

[lomekian 201]

They were 6 minutes away from a 2-0 win, not 2, not 4. What game were you guys watching? Johnson scored on Helms bad decision with just less than 6 mins to go.

My bad...engage brain before fingers....

[rick zombo 3,739]

Well the good news is that Saturday's another opportunity.......

to cross-check Johnson in the ******* throat.

Edited April 24, 2015 by rick zombo

[lomekian 201]

Toews is a total ****** but he is a really good player. He's got 2 cups and he can flat out snipe. Although I believe Kane is a better player than him. It hurts to see Zetts making horrible decisions and he is extremely slow. But that's the way it goes when you keep having surgeries and we all start to age.

He also made a perfect pass under pressure to give Nyquist a tap in. His bones are creaking, and he can't cover for any mistakes he makes like he used to, but he's still smarter than most of the guys out there. Sadly his shot has deteriorated a lot, which is why he is works well with Nyquist.

He'd be looking better if Cole could play and if Franzen were providing depth. Two big losses.

[gcom007 1,465]

The beers have moderated me. I am calm again.

[rick zombo 3,739]

I can handle losing. I can handle the breakdowns.

What I can't handle is Johnson going into the boards like he was dead on mild contact with Glendenning and the bulls*** that ensued. Luke gets rag-dolled from behind, hurts his hand, and that diving little midget has his way for the next 6 minutes and OT. Why can't these teams win without resorting to tactics?

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Franzen will save us in game 7.

We could use some more Dan Cleary Game 7 heroics again.

Babcock just said the doctor sewed up Glendening. Wtf did they do to his thumb?

Maybe caught a skate, I dunno.

[Jericho613 74]

A frustrating loss, but anything can still happen in the series. But damn I wish we could just put our foot on their throats and put them on the ropes. Oh well, hope this is a wake up call.

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

I can handle losing. I can handle the breakdowns.

What I can't handle is Johnson going into the boards like he was dead on mild contact with Glendenning and the bulls*** that ensued. Luke gets rag-dolled from behind, hurts his hand, and that diving little midget has his way for the next 6 minutes and OT. Why can't these teams win without resorting to tactics?

I'm getting sick of these dirty plays, in trying to eliminate fighting they've let this cheap stuff creep into play. The refs are so worried about trying to stop potential fights stuff goes unnoticed behind their backs.