sjr2012 439 Report post Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) i still wouldn't mind adding jumbo joe I know it would be a stretch but the second line would be huge with him on it I don't know what it would take but maybe a goose + 1st plus ? Z Dats Abby Tats Jumbo joe jurco pulks Shehan helm Miller Glen Ferrearo Edited June 20, 2015 by sjr2012 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadgerBob 297 Report post Posted June 20, 2015 i still wouldn't mind adding jumbo joe I know it would be a stretch but the second line would be huge with him on it I don't know what it would take but maybe a goose + 1st plus ? Z Dats Abby Tats Jumbo joe pulks Helm Shehan Andy Miller Glen Ferrearo Joakim Andersson...on the 3rd line?? Where's Jurco? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul MacLean's Mustache 44 Report post Posted June 20, 2015 i still wouldn't mind adding jumbo joe I know it would be a stretch but the second line would be huge with him on it I don't know what it would take but maybe a goose + 1st plus ? Z Dats Abby Tats Jumbo joe pulks Helm Shehan Andy Miller Glen Ferrearo Choke Thornton is going to be 36, folks. Gus is ten years his junior with similar production and room to grow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Joakim Andersson...on the 3rd line?? Where's Jurco? I left jurco off just in case that's what it took to get him but yea I think your right that looks bad Choke Thornton is going to be 36, folks. Gus is ten years his junior with similar production and room to grow. and less of a physical production Edited June 20, 2015 by sjr2012 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted June 20, 2015 i still wouldn't mind adding jumbo joe I know it would be a stretch but the second line would be huge with him on it I don't know what it would take but maybe a goose + 1st plus ? Z Dats Abby Tats Jumbo joe jurco pulks Shehan helm Miller Glen Ferrearo I would not give up goose & a first round pick, I wouldn't even give up just goose. Thornton is at the age where he is headed for a decline while Nyquist is an emerging star. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 20, 2015 Exactly. No thanks to Thornton. While he's still good right now, he will very soon be starting to decline and I wouldn't want to give up the assets it would take to get him. Certainly not Nyquist and a 1st or any package close to that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Don't think Nyquist is an emerging star Good player yes, emerging star, no Edited June 20, 2015 by Rivalred 1 Internet.Unknown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmethead 235 Report post Posted June 20, 2015 I think he is. What he does this season is likely the player he will end up being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted June 20, 2015 Don't think Nyquist is an emerging star Good player yes, emerging star, no Regardless, We're rebuilding - you don't trade young talent and a first rounder for a player at the end of their career in that situation. I'll really hoping for Franson. Yandle would be great if it didn't take too much - otherwise wait for him to be a UFA next year. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 Regardless, We're rebuilding - you don't trade young talent and a first rounder for a player at the end of their career in that situation. I'll really hoping for Franson. Yandle would be great if it didn't take too much - otherwise wait for him to be a UFA next year. Older guy end of his career no, younger impact player immediate, yes 1 PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 Don't think Nyquist is an emerging star Good player yes, emerging star, no The run he had in 2013 showed he is capable of being a star. Will he hit his ceiling.....only time will tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 The run he had in 2013 showed he is capable of being a star. Will he hit his ceiling.....only time will tell. Team needs to become stronger on the back end for our forwards to be forwards and focus on offense, the last few yrs focus has been defense for everyone, we need more offense from defense and better transition 1 rick zombo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian-Deke 722 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) People not wanting us to overpay for free agents is dumb. The way the market it is, you will never be able to sign a guy below market value. So the Wings either overpay for someone they think fits or they will never sign a big name free agent again. Edited June 21, 2015 by Datsyukian-Deke 1 arag reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 People not wanting us to overpay for free agents is dumb. The way the market it is, you will never be able to sign a guy below market value. So the Wings either overpay for someone they think fits or they will never sign a big name free agent again. The secret is only overpaying for the right guys. Nobody on the market now is worth overpaying. 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 The secret is only overpaying for the right guys. Nobody on the market now is worth overpaying. It's impossible to overpay for the right guys, or they wouldn't be "the right guys". For example, how can anyone say that the Hawks overpaid for Vermette? He was "the right guy" for them. You don't overpay for those guys. You just pay. You only overpay for the wrong guys. See: Detroit Red Wings and Stephen Weiss. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 Team needs to become stronger on the back end for our forwards to be forwards and focus on offense, the last few yrs focus has been defense for everyone, we need more offense from defense and better transition I dont get how this statement is in response to my statement below. Did you mean to quote me? The run he had in 2013 showed he is capable of being a star. Will he hit his ceiling.....only time will tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) im sick of people acting like Holland has and just wanting to stay pat we are not going anywhere with this team the way it is and I agree that we have to overpay sometimes to get something id rather try to shoot for the moon than sit and do nothing because you might beable to find a diamond in the rough every time an article pops up the wings are interested in someone says no not him no his not worth it no no no but all of the kids in gr aren't going to be impact players some have been great but others will not be nhl. caliber and I don't care if a person is 33 or 36 if they still can produce now id rather take my chance on that than to rely on a kid who might not even come close to that type of player im not saying lets sell the farm but I don't mind giving to reiceve Edited June 21, 2015 by sjr2012 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 im sick of people acting like Holland has and just wanting to stay pat we are not going anywhere with this team the way it is and I agree that we have to overpay sometimes to get something id rather try to shoot for the moon than sit and do nothing because you might beable to find a diamond in the rough every time an article pops up the wings are interested in someone says no not him no his not worth it no no no but all of the kids in gr aren't going to be impact players some have been great but others will not be nhl. caliber and I don't care if a person is 33 or 36 if they still can produce now id rather take my chance on that than to rely on a kid who might not even come close to that type of player im not saying lets sell the farm but I don't mind giving to reiceve How is the only period in this between nhl and caliber lol. When you are re-building a team, you have to be very careful when it comes to UFA signings. UFA's are typically average players who are paid like very good players. I would rather grow and develop our own talent, or make a trade for a guy who has a contract that wont bite us in the ass (ie. Weiss). I am not completely against signing a UFA, but it has to be the right one. Alot of people are talking about Green, this is a guy I do not want (injury prone & declining), however Franson is a guy I would not mind if he comes at a reasonable price, which unfortunately I don't think he will. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) I dont get how this statement is in response to my statement below. Did you mean to quote me?Nyquist had better numbers in 2013 which you said when comparing from last season which you really didn't touch on and I was commenting on the reason was more than likely due to him having to play defense more than focusing on offense like the rest of the team. Onym reason why we got into the playoffs but we need better d men who are offensive to fill that role and to feed the front end to fill the net and substain pressure on the offensive zoneEh. Too early to this Edited June 21, 2015 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 Forwards are expected to play defense regardless of the talent level of the D. It's impossible to overpay for the right guys, or they wouldn't be "the right guys". For example, how can anyone say that the Hawks overpaid for Vermette? He was "the right guy" for them. You don't overpay for those guys. You just pay. You only overpay for the wrong guys. See: Detroit Red Wings and Stephen Weiss. Free agents typically get more than they're necessarily worth now. It's a fact of life in the new NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 Forwards are expected to play defense regardless of the talent level of the D. Free agents typically get more than they're necessarily worth now. It's a fact of life in the new NHL. Yes but not to the point where their production on offense declines That is the issue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 Yes but not to the point where their production on offense declines That is the issue Nyquist's production declined because there was no way in hell he could sustain what he did during that 2 month run over a full season. He's good, but he's not a superstar. 1 Internet.Unknown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 Forwards are expected to play defense regardless of the talent level of the D. Free agents typically get more than they're necessarily worth now. It's a fact of life in the new NHL. Exactly. If everyone's "overpaying", then no one really is, relatively speaking. It's not like Franson's going to sign for 4M/per while Green goes for 6M/per. If you want to improve a team, especially the D, you have to the big money for guys like Niskanen, Stralman, Green, etc. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 Yes but not to the point where their production on offense declines That is the issue If goose's sophomore slump was a 27 goal 54 point season I'll be ok with that 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted June 21, 2015 Anyone want Frolik to be on this team? I like him can play PK and PP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
