number9 3,297 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 Franson, too close to Franzen. Next. 1 WingedWheel91 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 The point is that an (underwhelming defensive) defenseman whose apparent strengths include "moving the puck well, a good shot and quarterbacking a powerplay" should be scoring a hell of a lot more than 33 points per season - when you consider the players he played with, the situations he was in, and the minutes he played. Is he better than anyone who's currently in our top 4? Maybe, maybe not - Either way, you cant have 4 Defenseman making $6,000,000 per year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 I'd like a guy like Franson, but he'll get offers far more lucrative than what Ken is going to be offering. I don't think he's worth $6 mil/year, anyway. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Cody Franson won't make 6 million dollars. His contract will be similar to Matt Niskanen's. Every single summer we hear "Defenseman X will make a zillion dollars". And they don't. People were seriously saying Niskanen would make 7 million. Lol. Edited June 23, 2015 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 $6 million seems more realistic for Franson than $7 million for Niskanen - although I agree with you in terms of their respective value (as in Franson is worth no more than $4 to $5 million) - just that this summer Franson will get over paid. He'll make around 5.75 on a 6 or 7 year deal. Which is not an overpayment for a guy that plays as many minutes, and scores as many points as he does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 I'm sure he'll try, but just like Niskanen, the decision will come down to intangibles (i.e. where's his wife from, where's his favorite defensive coach working now, where's his best friend live, etc.). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 You'd have to think that the Oilers will role out the McDavid-McLellan-Ciarelli carpet for any and all possible UFA blueliners. I could see one of Franson, Green, Erhoff, Sekera, Martin, Jackman, or Oduya ending up there. Ciarelli's going to be in cap hell in a few years with all these young lottery picks nearing UFA status, but hey, that didn't stop him in Boston. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 The point is that an (underwhelming defensive) defenseman whose apparent strengths include "moving the puck well, a good shot and quarterbacking a powerplay" should be scoring a hell of a lot more than 33 points per season - when you consider the players he played with, the situations he was in, and the minutes he played. Is he better than anyone who's currently in our top 4? Maybe, maybe not - Either way, you cant have 4 Defenseman making $6,000,000 per year. In Toronto? Nashville? Also, all of our defensemen are signed for less than $5million... Kronwall, Ericsson, and Quincey being the top earners. So Franson getting somewhere around $6 million - current market value -- is not really that big of a deal. Kronwall signed back in 2012. Ericsson's latest contract went into effect this year at a whopping $1million increase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 He'll make around 5.75 on a 6 or 7 year deal. Which is not an overpayment for a guy that plays as many minutes, and scores as many points as he does. For the minutes he got, he didn't score much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 For the minutes he got, he didn't score much I know. Which is why he won't make 6 million +. That's my point. He scores more than a defensive d-man, and less than a pure offensive d-man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 Not sure why you think Franson isn't going to make around $6,000,000... He's 27, Right Handed, and has great size - even though he isn't worth it to me, unfortunately the market favours those characteristics. This is also only the 2nd summer that limits contract length - meaning the cap hits are going to be higher because you cant circumvent salary anymore... Already this year: PETRY - 6 YEARS/$33 MILLION BOYCHUK - 7 YEARS/$42 MILLION LEDDY - 7 YEARS/$38.5 MILLION e_prime: If Kronwall is making $4,750,000 - Do you think Holland can or will even attempt to justify signing Franson for $6,000,000? He already gave Ericsson the bad long term D-Man contract... 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 Not sure why you think Franson isn't going to make around $6,000,000... He's 27, Right Handed, and has great size - even though he isn't worth it to me, unfortunately the market favours those characteristics. This is also only the 2nd summer that limits contract length - meaning the cap hits are going to be higher because you cant circumvent salary anymore... Already this year: PETRY - 6 YEARS/$33 MILLION BOYCHUK - 7 YEARS/$42 MILLION LEDDY - 7 YEARS/$38.5 MILLION e_prime: If Kronwall is making $4,750,000 - Do you think Holland can or will even attempt to justify signing Franson for $6,000,000? He already gave Ericsson the bad long term D-Man contract... Petry - 5.5 Leddy - 5.5 Boychuck - 6 I know were splitting hairs but that's an average salary of 5.67M/per with an average length of 6.7 years. I'd take Franson under those terms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 F.Michael I agree - I would rather see what Oulette, Marchenko and Jensen can do with the same ice time... 20-30 Points is probably attainable and costs $5,000,000 less... Rick Zombo: I wouldn't - Franson is also better than Petry, and Boychuk is 31. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Franson scores more than Petry, he isn't "better". Which is why they'll get similar money. Boychuk and Leddy got paid because their GM was desperate to keep them from hitting free agency so he had to overpay them to stay. Edited June 23, 2015 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 F.Michael I agree - I would rather see what Oulette, Marchenko and Jensen can do with the same ice time... 20-30 Points is probably attainable and costs $5,000,000 less... Rick Zombo: I wouldn't - Franson is also better than Petry, and Boychuk is 31. As I said earlier, I'd be happy with the kids getting a shot, and I'm not really lobbying for Holland to sign Franson (or Green). But don't kid yourself. None of them are going to generate the offence that Franson would, and none are close to matching his physical game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 lol - I watch 82 Leafs games a year... Marchenko is already more physical than Franson... I have no idea who started the notion that Franson is a physical player. Big does not mean physical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 lol - I watch 82 Leafs games a year... Marchenko is already more physical than Franson... I have no idea who started the notion that Franson is a physical player. Big does not mean physical. Well then your judgement is suspect anyway lol. 3 amato, e_prime and Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 lol I live in Toronto, family/girlfriend/friends are all fans... No choice. But I also agree with your point about Petry, as Franson may not be better overall - but its been said that Petry also took a discount to stay in Montreal and not cash out July 1st. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 lol - I watch 82 Leafs games a year... Marchenko is already more physical than Franson... I have no idea who started the notion that Franson is a physical player. Big does not mean physical. Anyone is physical to wings fans No really though, it's probably because of his hit total.. which was 177 this past season & he led all d men the year before with 282. The closest wings d man last year was actually ericsson, with 114. I'm not trying to advocate that hits are the only thing to playing a physical game but they do give you some kind of indication as to how physical a player is. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 Not sure why you think Franson isn't going to make around $6,000,000... He's 27, Right Handed, and has great size - even though he isn't worth it to me, unfortunately the market favours those characteristics. This is also only the 2nd summer that limits contract length - meaning the cap hits are going to be higher because you cant circumvent salary anymore... Already this year: PETRY - 6 YEARS/$33 MILLION BOYCHUK - 7 YEARS/$42 MILLION LEDDY - 7 YEARS/$38.5 MILLION e_prime: If Kronwall is making $4,750,000 - Do you think Holland can or will even attempt to justify signing Franson for $6,000,000? He already gave Ericsson the bad long term D-Man contract... That's kronwalls cap hit cause he got a front loaded contract. He's still making $6million a year 1 e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 Rozsival, and Michalak are both on the wrong side of 30...We have enough aging players on this roster...I'd rather see Holland do nothing with the defense, and let the kids from GR play rather than him sign another older UFA like the 2 mentioned here. Agreed. I'd rather see this than to sign a few guys over 30 who are on their last legs. I'm not saying that's who I want them to get, I'm saying that's the type of players they'll sign based on who they've signed or traded for in recent history. I could see Holland trying to patch up the defense with another Zidlicky type or sign another forward like Cole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 I know. Which is why he won't make 6 million +. That's my point. He scores more than a defensive d-man, and less than a pure offensive d-man. You make it sound like he has good production though. There's no way he's going to get much less than Petty or Niskanen, and he'll probably get a bit more. That's a lot of money for a guy with suspect defense that puts up pretty modest points for his ice time 1 WingedWheel91 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 You make it sound like he has good production though. There's no way he's going to get much less than Petty or Niskanen, and he'll probably get a bit more. That's a lot of money for a guy with suspect defense that puts up pretty modest points for his ice time I'm a betting man if you are? $50 to a charity of your choice if he gets 6 or more, or less than 5.5? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 lol what a waste of time... As if $6,000,000 at 7 years is an overpayment - but $5,500,000 for 7 years is a deal. Do you guys actually watch the game? It's Cody Franson... literally irrelevant when he went to a good team playing important games. if he signs in Detroit at that money until he's 34, I'm done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Man Child 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2015 lol - I watch 82 Leafs games a year... Marchenko is already more physical than Franson... I have no idea who started the notion that Franson is a physical player. Big does not mean physical. Dude, that adds up to like 11 whole days of watching the Maple Leafs play.Yikes. Franson is the UFA I'd like to see us sign. I admittedly haven't seen much of him at all but from what I have heard/read about him, he's the type of guy that can block shots and clear the front of the net. He's also capable of logging a lot of minutes and as a RHD he fills a void on our PP that's been there since Rafalski left. Cleaning up our defensive corps has to be priority #1 this summer. Keep Kronwall and Dekeyser for sure, sign a UFA defenseman (Franson please), and call-up Marchenko full-time. That would leave 2 of Smith, Ericsson, Kindl, and Quincey out and preferably we could package one of the 2 "keeper" guys for an upgrade there. A lot to ask for, sure. I just want to see Kenny shake things up back there. Hell, I'd take Mike Green at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
