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Can we all just agree that the players he has picked up in the offseason lately have been poor decisions?

This is why I have no issue with Holland not signing UFA's, they have a tendency of being busts. Take 2013 for example, 3 of the biggest UFA's were Lacavalier, Wiess, and Clarkson. Every single one of them got big contracts, and every single one of them were busts.

The way to go is homegrown talent. Making a trade or signing a UFA can work, but it has to be the right player that you have no doubt will fit in your system.

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Can we all just agree that the players he has picked up in the offseason lately have been poor decisions?

Yeah, we got stuck with some bad longish term contracts (Weiss, Sammy) and pickup some players that didn't fit or help us much (Coliacovo, Tootoo, White, Commodore - though these players weren't necessarily bad)

Alfie, Brunner, Glendening, and Monster were all good signings, though, in my opinion. (Yeah, I'm really going out on a limb with Glendening at 628,000, haha)

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Yeah, we got stuck with some bad longish term contracts (Weiss, Sammy) and pickup some players that didn't fit or help us much (Coliacovo, Tootoo, White, Commodore - though these players weren't necessarily bad)

Alfie, Brunner, Glendening, and Monster were all good signings, though, in my opinion. (Yeah, I'm really going out on a limb with Glendening at 628,000, haha)

Definitely not stuck with Weiss. If Holland wants to trade him, there will be a taker. No player is gonna refuse to waive any NTC if they are sitting in the press box every game.

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This is why I have no issue with Holland not signing UFA's, they have a tendency of being busts. Take 2013 for example, 3 of the biggest UFA's were Lacavalier, Wiess, and Clarkson. Every single one of them got big contracts, and every single one of them were busts.

The way to go is homegrown talent. Making a trade or signing a UFA can work, but it has to be the right player that you have no doubt will fit in your system.

2013 was a ridiculous year of regretful UFA signings. As well as the signings you listed:

Ribeiro was bought out by Coyotes

Horton was traded

Clowe's only really played 1 year (career possibly over due to concussion - so that's a bit different)

Brunner and the Devils "mutually terminated their contract"

Briere traded by Habs

There was some really good signings last year (Hawks-Richards, Pens-Erhoff, Flames-Hiller) but those are all short term and 2 were special circumstances. Still many long term contracts that will be regretted I think.

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Yeah, we got stuck with some bad longish term contracts (Weiss, Sammy) and pickup some players that didn't fit or help us much (Coliacovo, Tootoo, White, Commodore - though these players weren't necessarily bad)

Alfie, Brunner, Glendening, and Monster were all good signings, though, in my opinion. (Yeah, I'm really going out on a limb with Glendening at 628,000, haha)

I disagree. White was very good his first year, not so much the 2nd. Overall though it was a decent signing. Just looks worse because we lost Rafi then Stuart and Lidstrom, but he wasn't supposed to be our savior. Just a cheap fill-in. Commodore was signed basically to be a #7 and insurance in case Kindl struggled too much. He wasn't expected to help much. Coliacovo much the same. Bit more expected maybe, but still just a depth signing. Tootoo was just fine his first year. The second, with all the injuries and all the kids we just didn't have a spot for him. Sammy too was just a depth signing (and I still believe there was some kind of trade plan that season, before the lockout derailed things).

While none of those players (except White) really helped much, none of them were expected to. I believe after missing out on some of the big names, we mostly expected our improvement to come from the kids. Up front it's worked pretty well. On defense, Smith and Kindl have been disappointing, but Dekeyser has been good. The guys we've brought in from outside that were expected to really contribute (not counting Deke and Brunner, since they were more prospects than real UFAs) were White (so-so), Quincey (solid, even though most still hate him), Weiss (fail), and Alfie (good). 2 out of 3 with 1 push. Add in the kids and overall we've been pretty damn successful.

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Definitely not stuck with Weiss. If Holland wants to trade him, there will be a taker. No player is gonna refuse to waive any NTC if they are sitting in the press box every game.

Let's hope. I'm guessing Holland will have to eat some of Weiss's salary to move him though.

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Let's hope. I'm guessing Holland will have to eat some of Weiss's salary to move him though.

Maybe TO can do the same...

Actually, I'm not sold on Phaneuf. If it were has Calgary days, absolutely, but now... seems less effective in TO. Maybe it's the coaching or the 'C' but he isn't what he once was.

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Definitely not stuck with Weiss. If Holland wants to trade him, there will be a taker. No player is gonna refuse to waive any NTC if they are sitting in the press box every game.

We'll see. I don't think that's a sure thing. He's carrying 4.9 for 3 years and he has an injury history and been scratched a lot with us. I think it would take some special circumstances like a bad contract coming our way (phanuef) us eating a bit of salary or him going to a team that's worried about the cap floor more than the ceiling.

For the record, I still think Weiss could possibly turn it around here if we put him somewhere other than the 4th line and he works hard this offseason. (he did miss a lot of training and training camp last year).

I disagree. White was very good his first year, not so much the 2nd. Overall though it was a decent signing. Just looks worse because we lost Rafi then Stuart and Lidstrom, but he wasn't supposed to be our savior. Just a cheap fill-in. Commodore was signed basically to be a #7 and insurance in case Kindl struggled too much. He wasn't expected to help much. Coliacovo much the same. Bit more expected maybe, but still just a depth signing. Tootoo was just fine his first year. The second, with all the injuries and all the kids we just didn't have a spot for him. Sammy too was just a depth signing (and I still believe there was some kind of trade plan that season, before the lockout derailed things).

While none of those players (except White) really helped much, none of them were expected to. I believe after missing out on some of the big names, we mostly expected our improvement to come from the kids. Up front it's worked pretty well.

My thinking is actually not far off from most of what you said. These were depth signings that didn't really hurt us, but that's a low bar for what's considered a good signing. When you buy out a player, I think that means it was definitely a bad signing. Neither Tootoo or Coliacovo where bad here. Coliacovo only played 6 regular season games. He didn't hurt us, but that's not a signing that helped you out especially when he took up 2.5 mill for a caphit. Tootoo did his thing and changed our minds and decided that didn't fit our team. That also didn't hurt us, but I'm still not ready to call that a good signing.

White was good that 1st year and he was a bridge player, Yeah, maybe that's all we wanted him to be. Sammy for 2 years at a 3 million caphit for 30gp 1g, 3a - I don't think anyone should consider a worthwhile signing. The short term of that deal didn't hurt us all that much, but it did keep Nyquist out the lineup and/or prohibited us from signing anyone else.

Commodore didn't take #64 so he will always be considered a disappointment.

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one thing to think about...if Babcock goes to Toronto, there will be no Weiss/Smith for Phaneuf trade. He doesn't like them here, he will definitely nix them coming to Toronto...plus I believe Weiss would never waive his NTC to go where Babcock is...

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I never get where this perception comes from. Yes, we didn't bring anyone new in from outside the organization last off-season, but..

2013:

Weiss, Alfie, Glendening

2012:

Coliacovo, Brunner, Tootoo, Gustavesson, Samuelsson,

2011:

Conklin, Commodore

2010:

Modano,

etc...

So he's signed 1 good player?

Come on, BLAME HOLLAND!

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This is why I have no issue with Holland not signing UFA's, they have a tendency of being busts. Take 2013 for example, 3 of the biggest UFA's were Lacavalier, Wiess, and Clarkson. Every single one of them got big contracts, and every single one of them were busts.

The way to go is homegrown talent. Making a trade or signing a UFA can work, but it has to be the right player that you have no doubt will fit in your system.

But Holland signed one of them. He's had a lot of busts. You can blame Holland now.

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But Holland signed one of them. He's had a lot of busts. You can blame Holland now.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

I'm not going to "blame" Holland for making a UFA signing that at the time seemed like a a great signing that 90% of us would have made.

Was it a bad signing....of course it was in retrospect.

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Hindsight is always 20/20.

I'm not going to "blame" Holland for making a UFA signing that at the time seemed like a a great signing that 90% of us would have made.

Was it a bad signing....of course it was in retrospect.

NO, BLAME HOLLAND NOW!

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Franzen's situation really hurts us. We spent years trying to find an extra big body shooter type, and found Cole. Now we will likely have to find a replacement for two of them in one offseason with a poor UFA market. Chances are this team will be worse than this last season because of that.

Edit: Unless Jurco finally shows he can be more than a grinder.

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My thinking is actually not far off from most of what you said. These were depth signings that didn't really hurt us, but that's a low bar for what's considered a good signing. When you buy out a player, I think that means it was definitely a bad signing. Neither Tootoo or Coliacovo where bad here. Coliacovo only played 6 regular season games. He didn't hurt us, but that's not a signing that helped you out especially when he took up 2.5 mill for a caphit. Tootoo did his thing and changed our minds and decided that didn't fit our team. That also didn't hurt us, but I'm still not ready to call that a good signing.

White was good that 1st year and he was a bridge player, Yeah, maybe that's all we wanted him to be. Sammy for 2 years at a 3 million caphit for 30gp 1g, 3a - I don't think anyone should consider a worthwhile signing. The short term of that deal didn't hurt us all that much, but it did keep Nyquist out the lineup and/or prohibited us from signing anyone else.

Commodore didn't take #64 so he will always be considered a disappointment.

Not saying they're good signings, I'm saying they're irrelevant. Players signed to fill the bottom of the roster rarely help the team much. People just wanted players for the top lines, so they think of those signings in those terms.

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Franzen's situation really hurts us. We spent years trying to find an extra big body shooter type, and found Cole. Now we will likely have to find a replacement for two of them in one offseason with a poor UFA market. Chances are this team will be worse than this last season because of that.

Edit: Unless Jurco finally shows he can be more than a grinder.

Drew Stafford. I can't say it enough.

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