Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

[Buppy 1,720]

I was just coming to post this. It's Lebron 2.0. What a primadonna. I'm soooooo tired of this crap. Just sign af****** contract or don't, like every other person (GM, coach, or player) does in the NHL.

Lol. Cover up Kip, your hate-on is showing.

He's been allowed to talk to other teams for a week. Carlyle, McClellen, and Bylsma have all been available longer. Hitchcock has been "reflecting" for twice as long. Why should he be in any rush. Because some nobody on forum doesn't like him?

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Sound ng like it's either Detroit or Buffalo at this point, Dylark better shutdown Malkin http://www.nhl.com/ice/m_news.htm?id=767855

I'm glad this name seems to be gaining some steam.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

[marcaractac 3,960]

If babs stays will I be upset? No ... I won't be in an uproar for him coming back ... My preference is we go a different route , preferably with jeff Blashill

My personal opinion is he's a good coach but overrated ... Those gold medals for me don't count as the teams were stacked full of all star players

From 2010-2015 we haven't done anything in the playoffs and we had hank and pav from ages 29-35? ... It's not like there career was done and over with

And as for the franchise sitting pretty I'd put that more on holland for not panicking and trading away top prospects and out scouting staff for always refilling the prospect pool with real good talent

2 players isn't gonna win you a cup. Lidstrom retired. We lost Rafalski, we lost Stuart. A lot of the secondary scoring aged out, and youth has been filling positions since, and getting better every year. All under Babcock. I also bet you that Datsyuk and Hank would both say Babcock had a big part in their own development 10 years ago to become the players they did.

Look at teams like the Blues. They should be winning cups with the roster they have. But they aren't. Look at the Pens. Crosby and Malkin can't do it alone there either. We have a young team learning how to win. That game 7 heartbreak was a huge lesson going forward. Babcock is a huge part of that.

You bring up the Team Canada argument. Canada has ALWAYS had stacked rosters. But before the back to back gold, there has been a lot of disappointment. It is silly to talk as if any coach could have coached that team to a gold medal when more often than not the team didn't win gold in the past. Besides 2002 it has been a lot of olympic heartbreak for Canadians. Babs was chosen to coach those gold medal winning teams for a reason.

[Hairy Lime 234]

If Babcock really was the reason we made the playoffs these last three seasons, how many years has he set this organization back?

Edited May 15, 2015 by Hairy Lime

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

2 players isn't gonna win you a cup. Lidstrom retired. We lost Rafalski, we lost Stuart. A lot of the secondary scoring aged out, and youth has been filling positions since, and getting better every year. All under Babcock. I also bet you that Datsyuk and Hank would both say Babcock had a big part in their own development 10 years ago to become the players they did.

Look at teams like the Blues. They should be winning cups with the roster they have. But they aren't. Look at the Pens. Crosby and Malkin can't do it alone there either. We have a young team learning how to win. That game 7 heartbreak was a huge lesson going forward. Babcock is a huge part of that.

You bring up the Team Canada argument. Canada has ALWAYS had stacked rosters. But before the back to back gold, there has been a lot of disappointment. It is silly to talk as if any coach could have coached that team to a gold medal when more often than not the team didn't win gold in the past. Besides 2002 it has been a lot of olympic heartbreak for Canadians. Babs was chosen to coach those gold medal winning teams for a reason.

Nope 2 players does not bring you a cup and we did lose lidstrom and Rafalski but it's not like he had god awful teams to work with ... And yes your right hank and pav would say that as well as Scotty bowman also playing a part .... But if Blashill came in and coached for 10yrs wouldn't athanasiou and the next wave of players say the same thing? It's normal to say that when you've had the same coach for 10 yrs

The way i see it with the blues and pens are ... The blues have never been able to get a real number 1 goalie so that's why they haven't been able to do anything ... And Pittsburgh keeps trading away picks and prospects to get basically role players to play with malkin and Crosby

It's my personal opinion and the fact is we'll never know cause we can't go back in time and put a new coach and see how things would go in a different scenario but I do think we would of won gold ... The rosters were insainly good ... I don't think Canada won the gold medal just cause of Babcock

If Babcock really was the reason we made the playoffs these last three seasons, how many years has he set this organization back?

None ... We got great prospects coming

[RedWingsRox 614]

Just watched the interview ... my money is on him staying ... . I was hoping for a fresh voice/face behind the bench.

[evilmrt 636]

I love Don Cherry because he has a way of getting this board's panties in a bunch. Bless him lol

He's also bucking the typical pro-Canada bias (good ol Toronna) and praising the Wings organization and Mr. I. And rightly so...

Its good solid advice for Babs. But, is it the best option for the team? Maybe he and Holland can form a more cohesive vision for the years ahead, this time. If so...by all means, come on back. Otherwise...hello Blash.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I love Don Cherry because he has a way of getting this board's panties in a bunch. Bless him lol

He's also bucking the typical pro-Canada bias (good ol Toronna) and praising the Wings organization and Mr. I. And rightly so...

Its good solid advice for Babs. But, is it the best option for the team? Maybe he and Holland can form a more cohesive vision for the years ahead, this time. If so...by all means, come on back. Otherwise...hello Blash.

Cherry is just awesome an hockey icon and great guy through and through.

Just watched the interview ... my money is on him staying ... . I was hoping for a fresh voice/face behind the bench.

See now some people might be able to understand how some fans felt after Holland got his 4 year extension...

Edited May 15, 2015 by frankgrimes

[kipwinger 8,491]

Lol. Cover up Kip, your hate-on is showing.

He's been allowed to talk to other teams for a week. Carlyle, McClellen, and Bylsma have all been available longer. Hitchcock has been "reflecting" for twice as long. Why should he be in any rush. Because some nobody on forum doesn't like him?

I didn't see Darren Dreger having sit down interviews with Hitch, Bylsma, McClellan, and Carlyle to discuss their decision making process. There are also not up to the minute twitter posts and articles discussing the very latest developments regarding everybody else. If you think they're the same thing, you're obviously not looking too hard at all the hype Babcock is garnering. Edited May 16, 2015 by kipwinger

[kliq 3,755]

I am shocked that people that call themselves Red Wing fans, are actually hoping that if Babcock leaves, the Wings fail just to prove a point on a message board that Babcock was a good coach.

If you care more about "being right" then the Wings being successful, I don't think you are that big of a fan.

I hope Babs stays as I think he's a great coach. But if he leaves, I still want us to win. I care more about the Wings as a whole, then Babcock as an individual..

[marcaractac 3,960]

I am shocked that people that call themselves Red Wing fans, are actually hoping that if Babcock leaves, the Wings fail just to prove a point on a message board that Babcock was a good coach.

If you care more about "being right" then the Wings being successful, I don't think you are that big of a fan.

I hope Babs stays as I think he's a great coach. But if he leaves, I still want us to win. I care more about the Wings as a whole, then Babcock as an individual..

You're taking things too seriously. Gotta read between the lines. The message isn't 'we hope babs leaves and the team s***s the bed'. It is 'people don't realize how good we have it, and likely wont until it is gone'

I didn't see Darren Dreger having sit down interviews with Hitch, Bylsma, McClellan, and Carlyle to discuss their decision making process. There are also not up to the minute twitter posts and articles discussing the very latest developments regarding everybody else. If you think they're the same thing, you're obviously not looking too hard at all the hype Babcock is garnering.

TSN did the interview with Babs because of media being media. Nobody cares where Bylsma or Carlyle ends up. McClellan is all but Edmonton-bound. I'd also imagine this interview was all TSN's doing, and not Babs looking for attention.

Edited May 16, 2015 by marcaractac

[kliq 3,755]

You're taking things too seriously

TSN did the interview with Babs because of media being media. Nobody cares where Bylsma or Carlyle ends up. McClellan is all but Edmonton-bound. I'd also imagine this interview was all TSN's doing, and not Babs looking for attention.

No, people getting so riled up that they want the Wings to lose just to prove a point, is taking things to seriously lol.

Completely agree with you on the interview thing though.

[marcaractac 3,960]

No, people getting so riled up that they want the Wings to lose just to prove a point, is taking things to seriously lol.

Completely agree with you on the interview thing though.

I was one of those who said it. And believe me, I like anyone else who has don't literally want to see the team lose lol. We aren't speaking literally

[kliq 3,755]

I was one of those who said it. And believe me, I like anyone else who has don't literally want to see the team lose lol. We aren't speaking literally

Maybe you don't but I guarantee some do.

[kipwinger 8,491]

Why don't they care about these other guys? McClellan has a higher winning percentage. Bylsma has a comparable winning percentage AND as many cups. Hitchcock has as many Cups and has 700 wins. But Mike is the story for some reason. Presumably because hype builds on itself.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

You're taking things too seriously

TSN did the interview with Babs because of media being media. Nobody cares where Bylsma or Carlyle ends up. McClellan is all but Edmonton-bound. I'd also imagine this interview was all TSN's doing, and not Babs looking for attention.

No, people getting so riled up that they want the Wings to lose just to prove a point, is taking things to seriously lol.

Completely agree with you on the interview thing though.

What if the point is that a rebuild is needed?

Babs was spot on with his post series comments, Z and Pasha are on their last legs and it would be unfair to expect Larkin to fill that hole once they're leaving or only 3 liners.

Edited May 16, 2015 by frankgrimes

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I didn't see Darren Dreger having sit down interviews with Hitch, Bylsma, McClellan, and Carlyle to discuss their decision making process. There are also not up to the minute twitter posts and articles discussing the very latest developments regarding everybody else. If you think they're the same thing, you're obviously not looking too hard at all the hype Babcock is garnering.

Dregger sat with Babcock cause toronto mapleleafs are wet for Babcock ... That's it

[marcaractac 3,960]

What if the point is that a rebuild is needed?

TANK IT

Dregger sat with Babcock cause toronto mapleleafs are wet for Babcock ... That's it

Exactly. I think Babcock is handling it all very well. The media is making a scene of it, but Babs isn't. He is a pro through and through.

[Guest Playmaker]

Because he's the "star" free agent out there. Bylsma's been unemployed for a year. McClellan didn't make the playoffs this year with a better roster and coming off losing a 3-0 lead in the first round of the playoffs. Hitchock is still employed by the Blues unless I missed something. None of the above mentioned lead Team Canada to two Olympic Gold Medals. In Canada, that matters.

[marcaractac 3,960]

Because he's the "star" free agent out there. Bylsma's been unemployed for a year. McClellan didn't make the playoffs this year with a better roster and coming off losing a 3-0 lead in the first round of the playoffs. Hitchock is still employed by the Blues unless I missed something. None of the above mentioned lead Team Canada to two Olympic Gold Medals. In Canada, that matters.

Exactly. And the Toronto media is making a circus out of it because the Leafs are desperate to do something to get their fans back on board.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

This year's ufa buzz should be renamed coaching buzz because there are tons of big names available.

[kipwinger 8,491]

Isn't Babcock still employed? Haven't his teams underwhelmed since 2010? Did Bylsma get this much attention the day after he was fired? Nope.

The hype is getting absurd. One way or another he needs to make a decision. Obviously I don't want the guy back. I make no pretenses otherwise. But more than that I'd like for the process to come to an end. I don't give a s*** whether he's taking his talents to Buffalo or otherwise. This is obnoxious.

[Rhah 195]

One thing I noticed in thread. Now, I like Blashill and I hate to rag on the Calder cup, because that's all we have had to root for the last couple years. But, to even put the Calder cup in the same conversation as NHL championships, is a bit ridiculous to try and compare Blash to Babcocks resume.

And to say that Babcock had a stacked roster when he had success and in the same breath say that Blashill is competing every year in Calder cup and not comment how Grand Rapids is filled with overripe NHL prospects (that we regularly leave in the minors too long) and then a bunch of ringers (NHL level players) get sent back down after we are knocked out of playoffs, is a bit disingenuous.

Also, my last comment about if a replacement is needed. How often is the minor league affiliates head coach looked at before any bench or assistant coaches? (yes he was an asst one year... but not currently).

[marcaractac 3,960]

Isn't Babcock still employed? Haven't his teams underwhelmed since 2010? Did Bylsma get this much attention the day after he was fired? Nope.

The hype is getting absurd. One way or another he needs to make a decision. Obviously I don't want the guy back. I make no pretenses otherwise. But more than that I'd like for the process to come to an end. I don't give a s*** whether he's taking his talents to Buffalo or otherwise. This is obnoxious.

How is it obnoxious? He isn't the one who asked for this to be so public. He is the guy who came out and said he is moving the date up for his decision. Blame the media. Babs shouldn't have to rush to such a huge decision because a few people on the internet are sick of hearing about it.

Edit: He could have easily let his contract expire and let the bidding war for him begin. But he didn't. He decided to get this taken care of in May. Before the draft. Realgud.

Edited May 16, 2015 by marcaractac