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What if Babs offered to keep Hitch as an assistant out at St. Louis ... Olympic gold coaching staff?

Whatever happens Kenny, don't accept a year to year arrangement, maybe he wants to wait for Pittsburgh opening.

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Man if that's true the Blues will jump to the top spot. They have it all size, offense, defense and that grind it out kind of style. Plus their captain is an absolute beast and role model.A Babcock coached blues team watch out west.

No goaltending and no speed. They certainly do not "have it all".

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No goaltending and no speed. They certainly do not "have it all".

Agreed. They have won 1 playoff series since 2003, and they have been eliminated in the first round to lower seeded teams 3 straight years. We have accomplished more in the past 4 years then the Blues while rebuilding. But hey....they're big.

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Blues + San Jose jumping on board is STILL a bad lineup for Babs.

His job offers are terrible. He's better off staying here. I said it before and I'll say it again. His best opportunity would have been if the Penguins had offered him. He could honestly turn that team back into a contender. They have a lethal offense with high potential and experienced leadership. To be honest Fleury has gotten better over the years as well (a bit).

Too bad they haven't offered him a job yet.

Blues suck in the playoffs. Hitchcock is a great coach. Would babs really make that much of a difference than Hitchcock? Maybe. But enough to win a cup? I personally don't think so.

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http://www.csnbayarea.com/sharks/report-sharks-speak-babcock-week

I thought this was interesting, specifically this quote from the article:

A source informed CSNCalifornia.com that Babcock, 52, initiated the upcoming discussions with the Sharks, and the Sharks were obviously receptive to the offer.

He must be pretty interested in them if he reached out to them first.

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Looks like Babcock is just looking whats he worth, maybe Wings should hire Blashill intead...

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/sharp-critiques-babcocks-promiscuity-sort-of

The Free Press's Drew Sharp hasn't been paying attention to the whole, "Blues and Sharks are also interested" news, but in discussing Mike Babcock's courtship with the Sabres and Maple Leafs, he may speak for those of you who watched or read about Babcock and Ken Holland's interview on TSN this past Friday, wondering why exactly Babcock has chosen to "play the field" when the field has turned out to be such a limited market for the services of--to take Sharp's tone--the supposedly hottest coach on the planet:

If there truly wasn't a better job than what he has, what is the point in dangling your gold medals out there to see what you can attract unless this coach fishing expedition was nothing more than an exercise in personal vanity? If there was absolute confidence that the Wings' next transformative star (à la Pavel Datsyuk) already was in the organization and perhaps a year or two away from blossoming, then wouldn't Babcock have agreed to the second generous contract extension in six months Holland offered in January if this were truly "the better job"?

It's believed that only Toronto and Buffalo submitted the necessary compensation paperwork to the league. The Wings demanded a third-round pick within the next three years for any team that signs Babcock. The Wings remain a better option than the Leafs and Sabres, but that doesn't mean they're any closer to seriously contending for a Stanley Cup in the immediate future.

And wasn't that Babcock's self-imposed bottom line in this process?

It's still stunning that Pittsburgh showed no interest in Babcock, considering Sidney Crosby's vast organizational influence and that the Penguins have the impactful stars Babcock seeks in Crosby and Evgeni Malkin, who are under 30. Boston apparently balked as well after missing the playoffs.

And then Montreal didn't hesitate endorsing head coach Michel Therrien's return soon after Tampa Bay eliminated the Habs in six games in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

The hottest-looking girls weren't interested.

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http://www.csnbayarea.com/sharks/report-sharks-speak-babcock-week

I thought this was interesting, specifically this quote from the article:

He must be pretty interested in them if he reached out to them first.

I would wait for a reputable source reports that. Something tells me an article written by someone in San Jose doesn't carry much merit.

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If Babcock did initiate San Jose talks, I'd guess that it has something to do with his wife wanting to live in california again.. maybe he told her he'd at least see if there were any interest.

I'm also seeing that Babs expects his decision to come mid-week; probably wednesday.

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Looks like Babcock is just looking whats he worth, maybe Wings should hire Blashill intead...

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/sharp-critiques-babcocks-promiscuity-sort-of

The Free Press's Drew Sharp hasn't been paying attention to the whole, "Blues and Sharks are also interested" news, but in discussing Mike Babcock's courtship with the Sabres and Maple Leafs, he may speak for those of you who watched or read about Babcock and Ken Holland's interview on TSN this past Friday, wondering why exactly Babcock has chosen to "play the field" when the field has turned out to be such a limited market for the services of--to take Sharp's tone--the supposedly hottest coach on the planet:

If there truly wasn't a better job than what he has, what is the point in dangling your gold medals out there to see what you can attract unless this coach fishing expedition was nothing more than an exercise in personal vanity? If there was absolute confidence that the Wings' next transformative star (à la Pavel Datsyuk) already was in the organization and perhaps a year or two away from blossoming, then wouldn't Babcock have agreed to the second generous contract extension in six months Holland offered in January if this were truly "the better job"?

It's believed that only Toronto and Buffalo submitted the necessary compensation paperwork to the league. The Wings demanded a third-round pick within the next three years for any team that signs Babcock. The Wings remain a better option than the Leafs and Sabres, but that doesn't mean they're any closer to seriously contending for a Stanley Cup in the immediate future.

And wasn't that Babcock's self-imposed bottom line in this process?

It's still stunning that Pittsburgh showed no interest in Babcock, considering Sidney Crosby's vast organizational influence and that the Penguins have the impactful stars Babcock seeks in Crosby and Evgeni Malkin, who are under 30. Boston apparently balked as well after missing the playoffs.

And then Montreal didn't hesitate endorsing head coach Michel Therrien's return soon after Tampa Bay eliminated the Habs in six games in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

The hottest-looking girls weren't interested.

Drew Sharp is about as sharp as a dull blade.

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Some have included Philadelphia on the list, you can cross that one off .. if they even considered Babs, that is.

Flyers hire Hakstol as new head coach

http://www.tsn.ca/flyers-hire-hakstol-as-new-head-coach-1.285652

Last stop on the 'Best Coach Available' tour today - San Jose

http://www.tsn.ca/sharks-to-meet-with-babcock-1.285509 ... so you want McLellan's reject ?? Seriously?? Only if they fire Doug Wilson first, right ??

Edited by RedWingsRox

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I think there is a very high chance that Babcock stays in Detroit. I think the Wings are his best option (best chance to win now and in the future) of the teams on the board, and his family want to stay in Michigan. In saying that, I've had mixed feelings throughout this entire process and I still remain up in the air in what I would like to see happen. Part of me wants to keep Babcock and another part thinks it's time for both he and the team to move on, and promote Blashill as the new head coach. I don't see it being at all likely that we keep both, so if we do keep Babcock then we will most definitely lose Blashill. What if Babcock does decide to re-up for just one season at a time? We lose Blashill this year and Babcock next year? I think Kenny is smarter than to allow that to happen.

I do think Babcock is very over rated and I get sick of some of his strategies and line mash ups, so I am leaning toward wanting Blash to take over. He's a great coach, and I believe he will likely win another Calder Cup with the kids this season. That will be 2 Championships in 3 years. I know the American League isn't anything close to the same as the National League but I do believe he can translate that same success to the NHL. He knows all the kids just as well or better than anyone in the system and I think he would continue doing a great job developing these guys with the big club.

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**Two Calder Cups in 3 years, with two totally different groups of guys.

Edit: If Babcock re-signs with Detroit, and Jim Nill doesn't steal Blashill from us, I'll be completely blown away.

Edited by kipwinger

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Imagine if Babs says to Kenny after the tour, "I want to stay in Detroit". Then Kenny says, "I've been doing some thinking too these couple of weeks and I think it's time to go with Blashill."

Do you think Blashill is thinking to himself, 'Mike make your decision already and go'.

Edited by RedWingsRox

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Worse, imagine if Babs signs for a year, Blashill leaves, and then Babs goes someplace else because that prospect obviously intrigues him?

I sure hope it's implied that if he stays, he signs long(ish) term, because Kenny could get caught without a seat on this one.

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Apparently, Mr. I is getting a bit tired of this 'playing the field'.

From mlive - http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2015/05/is_mike_babcock_willing_to_tak.html

Is Mike Babcock willing to take less to stay with Detroit Red Wings? Four other clubs in the mix

Four clubs have sought permission to speak with Babcock, according to a source – Toronto, Buffalo, St. Louis and San Jose.

The Philadelphia Flyers and Edmonton Oilers, other teams who were expected to make a pitch for Babcock, have not asked for permission to talk to him.

The Red Wings offered Babcock a four-year deal worth $3.25 million per season, a significant raise from his previous $2 million a year salary. It would make him the highest-paid coach in NHL history, slightly more than Chicago Blackhawks' Joel Quenneville, who will make $2.9 million next season and $3 million the year after and has two Stanley Cup championships on his resume, compared to one for Babcock.

But Babcock could get up to $5 million a season from Toronto or Buffalo. St. Louis and San Jose don't have the financial wherewithal to offer him that much.

Owner Mike Ilitch has a reputation for being loyal and treating players and management well, but some in the organization believe the process is getting on his nerves and aren't sure if he will budge on his offer.

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I think there is a very high chance that Babcock stays in Detroit. I think the Wings are his best option (best chance to win now and in the future) of the teams on the board, and his family want to stay in Michigan. In saying that, I've had mixed feelings throughout this entire process and I still remain up in the air in what I would like to see happen. Part of me wants to keep Babcock and another part thinks it's time for both he and the team to move on, and promote Blashill as the new head coach. I don't see it being at all likely that we keep both, so if we do keep Babcock then we will most definitely lose Blashill. What if Babcock does decide to re-up for just one season at a time? We lose Blashill this year and Babcock next year? I think Kenny is smarter than to allow that to happen.

I do think Babcock is very over rated and I get sick of some of his strategies and line mash ups, so I am leaning toward wanting Blash to take over. He's a great coach, and I believe he will likely win another Calder Cup with the kids this season. That will be 2 Championships in 3 years. I know the American League isn't anything close to the same as the National League but I do believe he can translate that same success to the NHL. He knows all the kids just as well or better than anyone in the system and I think he would continue doing a great job developing these guys with the big club.

I understand he's "Canada's coach" or whatever but it's definitely been a bizarre process, particularly him and Kenny sitting side by side for the TSN interview (Though the tracking of the Sabre's owners plane is pretty insane too). If he does stay in Detroit, I'm trying to figure out what piece of information Babcock needed to finalize this decision that he didn't already have, unless this really was about using other offers as leverage to get his offer to market value and the money being there from Holland was polite talk.

It just puts an odd tone to things if he stays. I guess the positive outlook is that he saw what was out there and decided the Red Wings were still the best, but the flipside is, why didn't you believe that all along?

If it were about how the kids played this season, he already has that info. And Holland can't make any promises about landing free agents. Or if he does they don't really mean much because it's something that isn't under his total control, and he hasn't had a great track record lately anyway.

I guess there's the possibility Babcock wonders if he's losing the room, which he seemed to mention in the interview. But again, going to other teams doesn't answer that.

I don't really follow the Griffins but for those who want Blashill, isn't there a great chance it's very much the same style? I thought part of the reasons the kids could come up to the Wings so seamlessly (other than over-ripeness) is the similarity of the systems.

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This is so ridiculous.

What's everyone gonna think when the team he goes to doesn't have instant success?

I imagine they'll be seriously regretting the 5+ million dollars they gave him to do exactly that. You don't give somebody that much money to gradually improve your team and (if the stars align) perhaps bring you success. You don't pay forwards 7 million bucks for 50 points seasons either. If you give a guy (roughly) twice what the highest paid coach (Quenneville) is currently making, you're not expecting mediocre results.

I spoke about this the other day. If you offer 5 million bucks to Babcock, and he accepts it; you're both implicitly agreeing that he's A) going to give you the best possible chance to win a Cup, and B) that he'll deliver on that.

If he doesn't, then the entire process will be exposed for the hype driven debacle that it is.

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