Question for the Board regarding Babcock

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Ok...where is the video or quote for this one???

Twitter, I think but here's a CBC article. And he didn't say that he would be revealed, he just said don't leave a good situation.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/don-cherry-really-wants-mike-babcock-to-stay-in-detroit-1.3076106

[gcom007 1,465]

That obscures the fact that you shouldn't call ANYOnE who disagrees with you a desperate, whining, pissing, moaning, crybaby. Not just me.

I'm not sure why you think its OK just because you didn't address people personally. It breaks any number of rules around here, and also just drags down the conversation in general.

Just don't call people names. That shouldn't be amusing, it should be standard practice.

Oh please...

Aside from the fact that you're putting words in my mouth, are you really going to try and suggest that anything I've written about this matter is in any way profoundly worse than what countless regulars here post about any given other side of an argument? As if it isn't a regular occurrence for people here to lament the way other people think and post. There was no vitriol to what I said. If you have such a problem with it, report it to a mod and if they have a problem with it, they can ban me. They've done it before, but it wasn't for anything as utterly commonplace as what I've posted today, so I'm really not too worried.

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

[gcom007 1,465]

I was thinking about the money angle though, and Holland has said several times that the money won't be an issue. Given that there's no cap for coaches and what's said, should we really be discounting that? If the Wings really want Babcock, why wouldn't they match whatever Buffalo's offering? Again, I'm operating around the idea of Holland saying money won't be an issue and again, that there's no cap implication here and we have a rich owner. I'm not saying I think Babcock or any coach should necessarily jump to making $5 million+ a season seemingly out of nowhere. I'm just wondering how Holland is approaching this given what he's said and what Buffalo may be offering.

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

I was thinking about the money angle though, and Holland has said several times that the money won't be an issue. Given that there's no cap for coaches and what's said, should we really be discounting that? If the Wings really want Babcock, why wouldn't they match whatever Buffalo's offering? Again, I'm operating around the idea of Holland saying money won't be an issue and again, that there's no cap implication here and we have a rich owner. I'm not saying I think Babcock or any coach should necessarily jump to making $5 million+ a season seemingly out of nowhere. I'm just wondering how Holland is approaching this given what he's said and what Buffalo may be offering.

He doesn't deserve that kind of money. But money is why, as I said in the other thread, Babcock should take this deal from Buffalo. After another mediocre season in Detroit, his stock won't be any higher.

[gcom007 1,465]

He doesn't deserve that kind of money. But money is why, as I said in the other thread, Babcock should take this deal from Buffalo. After another mediocre season in Detroit, his stock won't be any higher.

I'm slightly more optimistic about our chances personally, but with some of the ideas floating around about how much Buffalo is arguing, it'd be hard to blame him for turning it down. And as rough as Buffalo's been, they're a team that's going to be better before too long. I don't think it's the pipe dream some make it out to be.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

He doesn't deserve that kind of money. But money is why, as I said in the other thread, Babcock should take this deal from Buffalo. After another mediocre season in Detroit, his stock won't be any higher.

If you consider this past season mediocre than you would consider the previous one mediocre as well. He had 2 similar seasons in a row - His stock is obviously pretty high, why would 1 more change that drastically? The price tag is high due to the olympics, reputation. Maybe if we missed the playoffs, his stock would drop a bit, but I don't think it would be that much.

For the record I don't think this year was mediocre and I think next year could be great with better goaltending (Mraz, scared Howie) and hopefully an addition on D.

Edited May 20, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[gcom007 1,465]

If you consider this past season mediocre than you would consider the previous one mediocre as well. He had 2 similar seasons in a row - High stock is obviously pretty high, why would 1 more change that?

For the record I don't think this year was mediocre and I think next year could be great with better goaltending (Mraz, scared Howie) and hopefully an addition on D.

We really need to improve on D so our offense can get back to playing offense and the team can become a bit more balanced. So long as we continue to have the D that we do, if we're going to be a good defensive team, our offense is going to be compromised. That's just not going to work if this team is really going to make a push. There's a lot of good pieces on this team, but the defense needs a serious boost.

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

If you consider this past season mediocre than you would consider the previous one mediocre as well. He had 2 similar seasons in a row - His stock is obviously pretty high, why would 1 more change that drastically? The price tag is high due to the olympics, reputation. Maybe if we missed the playoffs, his stock would drop a bit, but I don't think it would be that much.

For the record I don't think this year was mediocre and I think next year could be great with better goaltending (Mraz, scared Howie) and hopefully an addition on D.

Barely getting into the playoffs and losing in the first round isn't mediocre? I'd say it is. We finished about middle of the pack when it was all said and done with. Same thing last season.

Very few coaches could have messed up that roster Canada had at the Olympics. They rolled in the World Championships as well. If his stock is high because of that, then these teams have lost their minds.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Barely getting into the playoffs and losing in the first round isn't mediocre? I'd say it is. We finished about middle of the pack when it was all said and done with. Same thing last season.

Very few coaches could have messed up that roster Canada had at the Olympics. They rolled in the World Championships as well. If his stock is high because of that, then these teams have lost their minds.

We don't need to argue about what to call the past season or how hard the olympics were to coach. I took your characterization. If this year was mediocre as you say, then last year also was. You said that if had a mediocre year with the Wings next year, his stock would fall. Why? According to you he's had at least 2 already.

I think the interest and money would still be there next year even if he signed a 1 year deal regardless of our outcome except if we became bottom dwellers. The teams are interested even with our recent lack of post-season success.

Edited May 20, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

We don't need to argue about what to call the past season or how hard the olympics were to coach. I took your characterization. If this year was mediocre as you say, then last year also was. You said that if had a mediocre year with the Wings next year, his stock would fall. Why? According to you he's had at least 2 already.

I think the interest and money would still be there next year even if he signed a 1 year deal regardless of our outcome except if we became bottom dwellers. The teams are interested even with our recent lack of post-season success.

Well, that's a good question. All I can say is that it would be yet another mediocre season. Maybe one too many. His stock has to fall sometime with perennial first round exits. I'm surprised it hasn't already, but maybe Buffalo is too desperate to not care.

I mean, this organization recently brought Ted Nolan back from a coma, after he "allegedly" had an affair with their star player's wife in the 90's. What kind of team would do that?

[GoWings! 179]

I think he'll leave. I'd like to see a few fresh new faces and some shakeups so it doesn't bother me. If he leaves then I wish him luck with Buffalo. Thanks for the Cup but you're a bit overrated. I think he'd do well with the Sabres.

[Blood On The Ice 15]

Babs said that he would have a answer by Wed morning. I guess we have our answer, Mlive reports that Redwings have increased their final offer to 4mil and that Toronto and Buffalo are in a bidding war, he goes to the highest bidder. And I thought money was NOT the issue. If that was really true, money not being the motivator, we would have an hard answer by now.

[Mckinley25 677]

Babs said that he would have a answer by Wed morning. I guess we have our answer, Mlive reports that Redwings have increased their final offer to 4mil and that Toronto and Buffalo are in a bidding war, he goes to the highest bidder. And I thought money was NOT the issue. If that was really true, money not being the motivator, we would have an hard answer by now.

Well to be fair, money may not be THE issue, but if you have a couple options where everything else is equal, money may become, understandably, the deciding factor. Edited May 20, 2015 by Mckinley25

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Seems like the Wings decided to go cheap although their is no cap for coaches lol

[arag 308]

Doesn't want to stay let him go.