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Slava Fetisov: Giant Hypocrite.

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NHL RFA players can go to the KHL. Drafted players can go to the KHL. Fetisov wants all Russians to have to stay in Russia until they're 28, not just be bound to their contracts.

No, he didn't say that. He said that all players, foreign or domestic should be subject to RFA rules before they are 27, so, and I quote, "Rich clubs can't buy up all the best players." He refers here to so called "oligarkh" clubs: SKA St Petersburg, Avangard Omsk, Ak Bars Kazan and some others. The letters NHL never crossed his lips in this interview.

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No, he didn't say that. He said that all players, foreign or domestic should be subject to RFA rules before they are 27, so, and I quote, "Rich clubs can't buy up all the best players." He refers here to so called "oligarkh" clubs: SKA St Petersburg, Avangard Omsk, Ak Bars Kazan and some others. The letters NHL never crossed his lips in this interview.

I haven't read his comments or follow the KHL. So here's my question. Do proposed changes, restrict russian players from going to the NHL before signing contracts with russian teams?

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I haven't read his comments or follow the KHL. So here's my question. Do proposed changes, restrict russian players from going to the NHL before signing contracts with russian teams?

If a young player is not under KHL contract or if he is an RFA by KHL rules, he can go to any other (foreign) league. The rule Fetisov proposed was aimed at more parity within the KHL, so that a few big clubs don't get all the top talent. I am not sure how practical it is for a young player in Russia to not to be under a KHL contract, but it is not much more practical than for a 18 yr old in North America. Although here, there is college route, if you don't turn pro at 18, and there isn't that route in Russia.

Also, folks over here tend to forget that the KHL is not an exclusively Russian league. There are several teams from other countries, even ones outside former Eastern bloc. So no Russian Federation law can govern all of the KHL players.

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Fetisov is now proposing that the khl block russians from coming to the NHL at any age.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2015/07/former_red_wings_defenseman_sl.html

Dudes crazy...

All of the hits to the head he sustained over his playing career must be catching up to him.

Wow. After seeing the movie Red Army recently, and seeing everything Fetisov had to go through to play in the USA, it's very surprising he would feel this way.

He's just a pawn of the Russian government now. I'm sure he gets a lot of "encouragement" to tow this line.

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Fetisov is now proposing that the khl block russians from coming to the NHL at any age.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2015/07/former_red_wings_defenseman_sl.html

Dudes crazy...

All of the hits to the head he sustained over his playing career must be catching up to him.

Your link refers to the same one referenced earlier in this thread. Actually, Fetisov didn't say what you think he did. See my comment right before your post.

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Fetisov is treading a fine line. Having previously been given a position almost against his will to be Putin's mouthpiece, he's now trying to run on his own terms s little more. But there is a lot of idealogical conservatism in Russia at present, a lot of harking back to the 'glory days' and s lot fear. Despite the brief burst of genuine popular democracy in the early 1990s, Russia is s nation that has never experienced the level of freedom that the rest of take for granted. Even under the illusion of equality (where communism proved it nothing to do with socialism) it has always been a nation of servants and masters with an insular focus. Combine this with a pathological mistrust of the outside world and a history of being invaded, and it's easy to see the kind of views Fetisov has to appeal to to a certain degree.

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Your link refers to the same one referenced earlier in this thread. Actually, Fetisov didn't say what you think he did. See my comment right before your post.

That is exactly what he's saying. He wants to block them from playing in North America until they are 28, either by not giving them an option through 10 year contracts signed at 18 or just plain making it illegal to go. As far as the RFA rules go, I'm pretty sure they closed up that 2 week notice loophole, and the NHL will start honoring any version of their RFA rules when they honor the NHL's and stop trying to poach players.

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Putin made him do it

Wrong. putin doesn't give a flying phuck about hockey, let alone Russian professional hockey players. He is nowhere near to be in position to put his own words to Fetisov mouth. Who is Fetisov anyway?!

It is worse than just that, unfortunately. What putin cares about is power. He created a system when individual has a much better chance to succeed in life if you close to these in power. To get closer or into, in turn, one has to be noticed and appreciated and once you got close/into, you want to stay around forever. That system effectively surrounded putin with bunch of sycophants who would kill each other to get to master's ear. Fetisov, unfortunately, became one of those lickspittles...

He got into power long time ago using his celebrity status. Now he lives to stay around. And one sure way to achieve it is to sense political tendencies and come up with some ideas (doesn't matter how crazy or brilliant) that support those tendencies. It is very popular in Russia to hate anything and everything American.

I'm sure Fetisov knows that his idea to ban young Russians from playing in NHL will sound very good to putin. And even worse part of it: Fetisov truly believes it will work for the best of Russia and young Russian hockey players...

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That is exactly what he's saying. He wants to block them from playing in North America until they are 28, either by not giving them an option through 10 year contracts signed at 18 or just plain making it illegal to go. As far as the RFA rules go, I'm pretty sure they closed up that 2 week notice loophole, and the NHL will start honoring any version of their RFA rules when they honor the NHL's and stop trying to poach players.

1. They have NOT closed "that 2 week notice loophole".

2. Given that fact, no multi-year personal services contract in Russia is worth the paper it's written on.

3. There's a memorandum of understanding between the NHL and the KHL that prohibits signing the players "on active contract" in another league. That does NOT mean the RFAs, IIRC.

4. Given that fact, Fetisov is perfectly correct in saying that the Russian clubs (that, unlike the NHL clubs, actually bear the lion share of the expenses for training and development of the players from 13 years on) need some way to protect their investment.

5. And so he proposes amending the law, so a multi-year contract would actually be binding on both sides, not just the team.

If you watch the actual interview, Fetisov's words were taken out of context. He was talking about Panarin, who left for Chicago at 23 years old. And Fetisov said that this is bad for Russian hockey and rules need to be changed so young players wouldn't become unrestricted free agents until 27 or 28 (just like in the NHL).

Instead they made it sound like he wants to introduce some kind of serfdom for the Russian hockey players. He didn't say anything like that.

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Well come on, this is american media we are talking about. taking things out of context is what gets you ratings and/or attention.

Slava fetisov is enemy. You not changing anyones mind on that!


I shall now commence watching Fox news about middle eastern politics and Donald Trump.

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I'm not saying it's justified to restrict them (if that was TRULY what he is proposing; which for the record he isn't, don't get suckered in), if it was the other way around, as an american it would suck quite a bit if our players ended up going overseas to play.

I'd do what was possible to keep em here. Now how would you do it? Has to be a right way eh?

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Well come on, this is american media we are talking about. taking things out of context is what gets you ratings and/or attention.

Slava fetisov is enemy. You not changing anyones mind on that!

I shall now commence watching Fox news about middle eastern politics and Donald Trump.

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I'm not saying it's justified to restrict them (if that was TRULY what he is proposing; which for the record he isn't, don't get suckered in), if it was the other way around, as an american it would suck quite a bit if our players ended up going overseas to play.

I'd do what was possible to keep em here. Now how would you do it? Has to be a right way eh?

I am not sure I undrstand the need to keep Russian players in Russia. For the development of the top talent NHL is preferable, so the Russian national team gets better players. Let's face it, every single attempt to win anything internationally using KHL-based lineup failed miserably. So keeping top players in Russia where the national team coach can spend more time with them hasn't proved of much use. US and Canada bring quite competitive teams to every World Championship, using NHL based lineup that hasn't had the opportunity to train together much, but that doesn't seem to affect them.

If the reason is to give home fans the opportunity to see their favorite players, this doesn't seem to make much difference to Novokuznetsk, Nizhnekamsk, Togliatti, Novosibirsk etc. fans, who will only see their best players on TV after they bolt to the few richest KHL clubs. Does it really make much difference to Sibir Novosibirsk fans if Tarasenko wears St Louis uni, or Dinamo Moscow uni on their TV screen?

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So will the KHL clubs not sign RFA players out of the NHL? If they came to an agreement that contracts would be honored then the loophole is closed.

That is not the loophole. The loophole that Fetisov is trying to close is that any Russian hockey player., according to the Russian labor law, can become a UFA on his say-so at any time with 2 weeks notice.

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I am not sure I undrstand the need to keep Russian players in Russia. For the development of the top talent NHL is preferable, so the Russian national team gets better players. Let's face it, every single attempt to win anything internationally using KHL-based lineup failed miserably. So keeping top players in Russia where the national team coach can spend more time with them hasn't proved of much use. US and Canada bring quite competitive teams to every World Championship, using NHL based lineup that hasn't had the opportunity to train together much, but that doesn't seem to affect them.

If the reason is to give home fans the opportunity to see their favorite players, this doesn't seem to make much difference to Novokuznetsk, Nizhnekamsk, Togliatti, Novosibirsk etc. fans, who will only see their best players on TV after they bolt to the few richest KHL clubs. Does it really make much difference to Sibir Novosibirsk fans if Tarasenko wears St Louis uni, or Dinamo Moscow uni on their TV screen?

I doubt they see it like that.

Almost 100% of their elite top talent bolts for the NHL. To them, If that didn't happen the KHL would be good

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I doubt they see it like that.

Almost 100% of their elite top talent bolts for the NHL. To them, If that didn't happen the KHL would be good

Nah, only a few notable players actually left, and some of them will probably come back after not making the NHL rosters. Panarin, Tikhonov, couple of D-men from Ak Bars, perhaps Plotnikov would be the only "top talents" that left. The rest were young players who were playing in the junior league or 5-6 min/game for their KHL clubs.

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Nah, only a few notable players actually left, and some of them will probably come back after not making the NHL rosters. Panarin, Tikhonov, couple of D-men from Ak Bars, perhaps Plotnikov would be the only "top talents" that left. The rest were young players who were playing in the junior league or 5-6 min/game for their KHL clubs.

I'm talking Ovechkins and Datsyuks

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I'm talking Ovechkins and Datsyuks

That's ancient history. One might as well wish for the return of the "red machine" of the 70s and 80s. Those days are GONE, and no one in Russia really wants them back. Even Putin and Co.

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That's ancient history. One might as well wish for the return of the "red machine" of the 70s and 80s. Those days are GONE, and no one in Russia really wants them back. Even Putin and Co.

I'll just have to take ur word for it. I do think keeping Tarasenkos in the KHL would improve the culture and prestige of the league in ways that are difficult to quantify

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I'll just have to take ur word for it. I do think keeping Tarasenkos in the KHL would improve the culture and prestige of the league in ways that are difficult to quantify

Even the densest Russian hockey officials understand by now that if a Russian kid got drafted in top 5, or even top 40, he WILL be going to the NHL. Whatever they do. See Malkin, Eugeny, as an example.They can choose to burn bridges with him, or give their blessing and have him play for there national team and perhaps return to the KHL in the future. This idea that top players can be kept in Russia has been dead for at least a decade now. The current concern is that a lot of young prospects go to NA before they are ready, play in juniors and AHL, but very few make it to the NHL. So an ideal state of affairs from Russian standpoint would have been for the players to go to NHL after they mature, and incidentally, after they played a few years for the club that paid for their development costs and the club had a chance to make back that investment. That age would be somewhere between 25 and 28. How to get to this ideal is ... unclear, to put it mildly.

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That is not the loophole. The loophole that Fetisov is trying to close is that any Russian hockey player., according to the Russian labor law, can become a UFA on his say-so at any time with 2 weeks notice.

But if the NHL won't sign guys who do that then it's a non issue. The KHL wants to keep all Russians from the NHL until they're 28, but will sign a guy from the NHL on a RFA deal. It's BS

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