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Retire Sergei Fedorov’s Jersey Immediately

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Nice to see holland and others hopefully in the organization getting over the fact fedorov left the team ... s*** happens

If people over look the fact he left (after 13 years) you'll realize he's a sure thing (or should be at least) to get his jersey retired

One of big reasons we won those cups, without fedorov we win 1 if were lucky? 13 years as a redwing, 3 time cup winner ,hart,Selke winner

3rd all time in playoff pts and played 100 less games than number 2's lidstrom ... 5th all time in pts as a wing

simply put he's one of the best players ever to wear a redwings jersey

I get your argument but saying he's 3rd in playoff points and played 100 games less than #2. Who is a defenseman is odd, defenseman aren't supposed to put up the kind of points lids did, that's why he was so special among other things.

But yes please retire #91 soon

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It seems like the hall of fame inductance has really boosted Feds case. I think this solidifies #13. Not so sure about #40 yet. I hope Z ends up breaking Yzerman's franchise record for playoff goals. He needs 15 more. That would be a huge accomplishment among other things he's got going.

I can't imagine a word where one euro twin is in the rafter without the other. Both are very special players and have been equally important to this team for many years.

I completely agree about it solidifying #13, and I don't see z not breaking that record, and when he does you almost have to retire #41 too...

The c on his sweater helps his case as well.

The disney.com love is strong :lol:

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I've worked in PR much of my adult life. I'll say this (and mea culpa I think they SHOULD retire Fedorov's number as to me he met the contributions necessary on the ice and is a first ballot HOFer) unless Ken Holland went off on a rant ie off the reservation talking point, the very fact he'd address the Red Wings organeyezation is looking into retiring Fedorov's number tells me it's more likely than not to happen. They've never really felt the need to address that issue before. They sure didn't have to offer that info now. Sure the way he left was iffy but though times were different Ted Lindsay came and went and I don't want to live in a world where his number isn't retired in one building or another.

I think it's more likely to happen than not based on Holland's comments, and I will have to change my signature again.

I think the big reason this is coming up now is because Richards wore #91 last season. Paired with the HHoF induction, of course.

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I get your argument but saying he's 3rd in playoff points and played 100 games less than #2. Who is a defenseman is odd, defenseman aren't supposed to put up the kind of points lids did, that's why he was so special among other things.

But yes please retire #91 soon

I get your point, and no argument on lidstrom he's amazing but just stating a fact the guy played 100 less games than the 2nd place lidstrom and still ended 3rd all time and if he played just another 2-3 years before leaving he'd probably be the redwings all time playoff points leader

He just deserves to get his jersey raised , one of the best redwing players of all time

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Because his name was already up there, that's why. Whether it should or shouldn't have been is a different story. But taking it down is disrespectful, especially since Ilitch has taken a tight-lipped, rat like stance on this. He's a joke. There's plenty of guys in the HHOF who don't belong there. Should they be removed now?

And Aurie was actually very instrumental for Detroit during the early days of the team.

There are teams that retire numbers left and right (Colorado with Bourque and Foote), but the Wings have very strict standards. The fact that we are even discussing whether a first ballot HOF (like Fedorov) deserves to have it retired, should tell you that.

I could also argue that Syd Howe, Ebbie Goodfellow and Herbie Lewis (all in the HOF) were more instrumental than Larry Aurie in the early years. Aurie got his number retired not because of Adams, but because he was former owner James Norris' favorite player. It's been so long that hardly anyone remembers them anymore. Hopefully they have a team hall of fame at the new arena so they can honor legends from the early years, but I honestly don't believe Aurie's #6 deserves to be in the rafters. I think the number should stay out of circulation just like Konstantinov's #16.

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I get your argument but saying he's 3rd in playoff points and played 100 games less than #2. Who is a defenseman is odd, defenseman aren't supposed to put up the kind of points lids did, that's why he was so special among other things.

But yes please retire #91 soon

That's true, but Fedorov was an incredible playoff performer for the Wings who ended up with 163 points in 162 games.

I don't think there's any question he deserves to have his number retired. The only people who are still against it are the ones holding a grudge about the way he left or never really saw him play back in the 90s.

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That's true, but Fedorov was an incredible playoff performer for the Wings who ended up with 163 points in 162 games.

I don't think there's any question he deserves to have his number retired. The only people who are still against it are the ones holding a grudge about the way he left or never really saw him play back in the 90s.

I don't hold any grudge, and I saw him play from beginning to end, and I'm still against it. Wouldn't be the worst thing to ever happen, but I'd rather not see it.

I completely agree about it solidifying #13, and I don't see z not breaking that record, and when he does you almost have to retire #41* too...

The c on his sweater helps his case as well....

He only has 17 goals in his last 6 years (47 games). 10 in the last 5 (35 games). At the rate he's been scoring over the last 6 seasons, he'll need another 40-50 games. Certainly possible that he'll get there, and even one good run could get a big chunk of it, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he falls a bit short. Yzerman himself only scored 9 in his last 51 playoff games.

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He only has 17 goals in his last 6 years (47 games). 10 in the last 5 (35 games). At the rate he's been scoring over the last 6 seasons, he'll need another 40-50 games. Certainly possible that he'll get there, and even one good run could get a big chunk of it, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he falls a bit short. Yzerman himself only scored 9 in his last 51 playoff games.

Z has always been a better goal scorer when he played wing, specifically when playing with Datsyuk. With Richards in the mix and Z possibly being "retired" from being a center, this is quiet possible. Just my opinion tho. It all depends on how deep of a run they can make, if they can make it past round 2 for the remainder of his contract, I don't see why it's not possible.

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It will only work if he wears a Speedo to the retirement ceremony. I think without Shawn Burr stories, the retirement ceremony will be lacking :(

I don't know about that, his response to the HHOF call was quite amusing. :)

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I appreciate Fedorov, but he's just not retirement material. Retiring a number is for those that are very special to the organization. Even Datsyuk and Zetterberg should probably go unretired.

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How about this perspective:

Since 1950, Every Hart winner has had their number retired by a team, except:

Al Rollins: No Hall of Fame, Never played for a team for more than 5 years

Jose Theodore: No cup, No Hall of Fame (also self explanatory)

Lindros: No cup, No Hall of Fame

Fedorov?: Because of contract disputes?

Historical Footnote:

Before 1950, it's definitely a much different era. The majority of early MVPs are actually not retired. Retired numbers only really became a thing in the late 70s. Before it was just seems to be for players who had horrible accidents or died during their careers. When they did start retiring number they are rarely from earlier times. (I think this has to do with the growth of the games popularity around this time, and that mass media (HNIC started 1952) made certain players into heros or icons)

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How about this perspective:

Since about 1950, Every Hart winner has had their number retired by a team, except:

Al Rollins: No Hall of Fame, Never played for a team for more than 5 years

Jose Theodore: No cup, No Hall of Fame (also self explanatory)

Lindros: No cup, No Hall of Fame

Fedorov?: Because of contract disputes?

Historical Footnote:

Before 1950, it's definitely a much different era. The majority of early MVPs are actually not retired. Retired numbers only really became a thing in the late 70s. Before it was just seems to be for players who had horrible accidents or died during their careers. When they did start retiring number they are rarely from earlier times. (I think this has to do with the growth of the games popularity around this time, and that mass media (HNIC started 1952) made certain players into heros or icons)

Very interesting perspective. Nice post.

Lindros is actually a pretty good comparison. I wonder if Philly will every retire his jersey.

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Very interesting perspective. Nice post.

Lindros is actually a pretty good comparison. I wonder if Philly will every retire his jersey.

The Lindros/Philly relationship was far more contentious overall if I recall correctly. Lindros' parents were constantly battling with Philly management, and there were issues with the team medical staff with trainers missing a collapsed lung that was only discovered because his roommate Keith Jones insisted he go to the hospital instead of flying back to Philly as the team trainer was insisting. (his parents sent a letter saying he'd have died if he followed the team's instructions, backed by the docs who treated him in Nashville) as well as a misdiagnosed concussion. It was all over the papers here in PA. His return to the Winter Classic may have mended some wounds, but it was a lot worse than I recall Sergei's issues in Detroit.

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The Lindros/Philly relationship was far more contentious overall if I recall correctly. Lindros' parents were constantly battling with Philly management, and there were issues with the team medical staff with trainers missing a collapsed lung that was only discovered because his roommate Keith Jones insisted he go to the hospital instead of flying back to Philly as the team trainer was insisting. (his parents sent a letter saying he'd have died if he followed the team's instructions, backed by the docs who treated him in Nashville) as well as a misdiagnosed concussion. It was all over the papers here in PA. His return to the Winter Classic may have mended some wounds, but it was a lot worse than I recall Sergei's issues in Detroit.

Agreed. But its still the closest situation I can think of.

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I don't think Feds was banging his teammates wives either as Lindros was...hell he had Anna. Lindros burn way more bridges in Philly than Feds ever could here.

From what I remember, Feds and teammates got along really well. Seems like Lidstrom was quiet fond of him based off the recent interview.

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Keith Primeau was traded by the Wings to Hartford for Shanahan who won 3 Cups with Detroit. After the rumoured Lindros-Brind'Amour feud, Rod was traded to Carolina for Primeau. Rod wins the Cup in Carolina in 2006. Funny how things turn out sometimes.

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From what I remember, Feds and teammates got along really well. Seems like Lidstrom was quiet fond of him based off the recent interview.

It's the organization that has an issue with it, and the antics of Fedorov being dragged on most likely cost the Wings other FA signings.

If he retires a Wing, I wouldn't be surprised if it's with new management.

I, for one, wouldn't shed any tears for his number not being put up.

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It's the organization that has an issue with it, and the antics of Fedorov being dragged on most likely cost the Wings other FA signings.

If he retires a Wing, I wouldn't be surprised if it's with new management.

I, for one, wouldn't shed any tears for his number not being put up.

Hmm.. When he left the org it was a slap to the face true. But during his time here and the issues that came up in terms of salary and contract (90s) didnt see like much of a long term issue to me. They won 3 cups during his tenure and well after he left they won in 2008. I don't think his antics really played a part in our success or signings. i.e the 2002 team was stacked.

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Very interesting perspective. Nice post.

Lindros is actually a pretty good comparison. I wonder if Philly will every retire his jersey.

I think they will. Different ownership and different mindsets. I think Lindros has repaired his relationship with the Flyers over the years. Much like Bure with the Canucks, who finally retired his jersey.

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Hmm.. When he left the org it was a slap to the face true. But during his time here and the issues that came up in terms of salary and contract (90s) didnt see like much of a long term issue to me. They won 3 cups during his tenure and well after he left they won in 2008. I don't think his antics really played a part in our success or signings. i.e the 2002 team was stacked.

Basically, he and his agent strung the Wings around making them think he was mulling some offer over when he admitted later he wasn't mulling it over, then turned around and accepted pretty much identical terms with the Ducks. In those weeks he spent toying around with the Wings, the Wings missed very opportune chances to sign other top UFA's. The Red Wings are a business, and Fedorov basically screwed around with the business. And it wasn't the first spat he got into with the team surrounding contracts, just the last.

And while no one would doubt Fedorov's talent, especially in the 90s, in the early 2000s, he was likened to Kovalev and Yashin, two players who had immense talent and rather than put the pedal to the metal every game, they'd often float, then show up when they felt like it, especially when it was time for a new contract. Then you follow that up with the antics he and his agent pulled in summer 2003, and it very easily explains a rational bitterness toward him.

Sufficed to say, there are very good reasons why his number isn't retired. I understand those reasons very well, which is why I wouldn't be bothered if his number were never retired. Hall of Famer or not, can't act like that toward an organization and expect them to honor you.

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