Report: Cleary wants to return for 1 more season

[roboturner 562]

I'd rather have two younger guys rotating in and out than having cleary taking up a spot.

Just ask yourself, "Are there any other teams signing worthless players just to take up a roster spot and 'mentor' the younger guys?"

If the answer is no, then why are we doing it? and why is cleary the only player to get this kind of (undeserved) treatment?

[kliq 3,755]

I'd rather have two younger guys rotating in and out than having cleary taking up a spot.

Just ask yourself, "Are there any other teams signing worthless players just to take up a roster spot and 'mentor' the younger guys?"

If the answer is no, then why are we doing it? and why is cleary the only player to get this kind of (undeserved) treatment?

Because prior to the 2013/14 season the Flyers offered Cleary a 3 year deal. Cleary turned it down for a 1 year deal with the Wings on a handshake agreement that he would get a deal in each of the next two off seasons (equaling the Flyers 3 year deal). Holland is simply keeping his word which he should. Signing Cleary now is not a mistake, if anything the handshake deal was the mistake.

[RedWingsRox 614]

Let's bring Bertuzzi back for a year while we're at it.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Because prior to the 2013/14 season the Flyers offered Cleary a 3 year deal. Cleary turned it down for a 1 year deal with the Wings on a handshake agreement that he would get a deal in each of the next

two off seasons (equaling the Flyers 3 year deal). Holland is simply keeping his word which he should. Signing Cleary now is not a mistake, if anything the handshake deal was the mistake.

Sign cleary if they want ... So long as he's prepared to play another 10 games next season and not ***** about it

[Krayzie_Bone 58]

Sure he can play in GR and teach the kids. I think that would be great if he would be willing to do it.

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a s***? Give him a two-way at league minimum and send him down to GR to mentor the n3wbs. Bring him up as a 4th line veteran when we inevitably get BF'd by injuries down the stretch. That way, next year when he steps on as an assistant coach he has a good read of our prospects. Profit.

[e_prime 1,936]

If Franzen is on IR all year and they waive or trade Weiss:

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader

Tatar-Sheahan-Nyquist

Jurco-Helm-Pulkkinen

Miller-Glendening-Ferraro

Andersson-Callahan

Cleary replacing one of Andersson or Callahan wouldn't be a huge deal, although I think it would be best for him to be in GR or somewhere else entirely.

Even if he's going to ultimately be on LITR, doesn't Franzen have to start the season on the 23 man roster?

...and barring a trade with Weiss still on the roster, plus the above line combos, you're going to be looking at 16 forwards ...not including Dan Cleary.

So, unless he somehow dazzles/enchants/blackmails the brass at training camp, I don't see how Dan Cleary fits.

Either way, on top of any Dan Cleary fears that we may have, we're either trading some forwards in a player swap, or we're exposing some guys to waivers when the roster cuts come at the beginning of the season. In my mind, barring any trades of the above it'll be two of the following three, in this order: 1. Andersson, 2. Callahan 3. Ferraro.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

It will be a two way contract so no problem with it at all..some veteran leadership will be nice for the griffins

[e_prime 1,936]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a s***? Give him a two-way at league minimum and send him down to GR to mentor the n3wbs. Bring him up as a 4th line veteran when we inevitably get BF'd by injuries down the stretch. That way, next year when he steps on as an assistant coach he has a good read of our prospects. Profit.

This. I mean, really, even if the Wings do sign him. It'll be a two way deal and he'd be first on the list to be sent down before anyone else, including Andersson, Callahan, or Ferraro.

[kliq 3,755]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a s***? Give him a two-way at league minimum and send him down to GR to mentor the n3wbs. Bring him up as a 4th line veteran when we inevitably get BF'd by injuries down the stretch. That way, next year when he steps on as an assistant coach he has a good read of our prospects. Profit.

I dont think It will be league minimum, it will likely be similar to last year.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

$88000 per game was a great deal made by Kenny lol

Highest paid player on a paid per game ratio on the roster last year. Give him a coaching role in GR and tell him to earn his keep.

[roboturner 562]

IF it turns out to be a two way deal, well so be it.

But you know its gonna be one way, league minimum, 1.5 million dollar signing bonus and a NMC

[joshy207 156]

Because prior to the 2013/14 season the Flyers offered Cleary a 3 year deal. Cleary turned it down for a 1 year deal with the Wings on a handshake agreement that he would get a deal in each of the next two off seasons (equaling the Flyers 3 year deal). Holland is simply keeping his word which he should. Signing Cleary now is not a mistake, if anything the handshake deal was the mistake.

Philly denies ever having offered any contract, only a tryout. The only ones talking about the rumored 3-year Philly deal are Cleary and Holland. Also, how is the "handshake deal" and "promise to take care of" Cleary allowed under the CBA? Teams are not allowed to discuss multiple one-year deals. Could be considered cap circumvention.

Besides, it's plainly obvious to everyone except Cleary and Holland that Cleary is DONE, and has been for 3 years.

[LeftWinger 4,949]

People will go apes*** when he signs...but what will be even more funny is all the folks here that will try to convince the rest that it was a good signing in some way or fashion... In NO WAY will re-signing Cleary to play be good for anyone EXCEPT Dan Cleary. You want to talk about rookie coaches and asst. coaches, but having Cleary take a roster spot away from someone is horrible. Where is he going to fit? Especially if Franzen is able to play and Weiss is not traded? You know Jurco and Andersson will most likely be re-signed. Ferraro for sure, Nyquist and Pulk are given's. Where is this guy going to fit? If all that happens, the forwards actually get worse. No room to sign a MUCH needed UFA to make the team better and then we will have to put Ferraro and Callahan through waivers again...if Franzen is healthy, do we waive Pulk next? If Cleary signs and Franzen is healthy, that is 16 forwards, without getting better via UFA. Guess we say goodbye to Ferraro, Callahan and Pulkkinen.

As you can guess, I am highly upset at this news. Signing Cleary in any on ice capacity would seriously hinder this team moving forward and unfortunately, the blame will get directed at the rookie coaching staff instead of Holland stunting the growth of his team.

I am all for trading a couple of forwards to improve this team, but not just to make room for Cleary.

Edited June 9, 2015 by LeftWinger

[GoWings! 179]

This would be idiotic. Time to just call it quits. Dude can't skate a few strides without falling down or win a board battle. Thanks for 08 and 09 Danny boy but you kinda gotta go.

[Wing Across The Pond 196]

A speck. The tiniest, teeniest, speckiest of specks. The last most speck of settled dust. The clock has ticked and ticked and ticked by, and along the rumblings of grapevines entwined with staff movements and acquisitions and rumour abound, gone is the distant cry that once rang... "We stink at the moment, seriously I'd throw Cleary in there. He would be better than what's out there at the moment".

I believe I was a replier to say "Meh, I guess it couldn't hurt, anything to stop this run" so I'm no above reproach. In truth when we hit that inevitable point where maladies come out to play and our encouraging record goes down the toilet an unhealthy number of us look to Dan Cleary as someone who "will at least go and hit some people and actually really really try really hard to do things good". It's a bit like the end of A Few Good Men; Daniel Cleary's existence is grotesque and incomprehensible to us, yet there will be points in our lives, points when we never utter an audible sound, when we want him on that wall, when we need him on that wall. I'd just prefer it wasn't Cleary and was some other washed up old vet. Because seriously, any other washed up old vet is probably better than Cleary at the moment. EDIT: essentially a washed up old vet who didn't play an entire career in a style that destroyed his ability to continue a career.

Edited June 9, 2015 by Wing Across The Pond

[amato 3,210]

get paid 2.5 mill for playing a handful of games? yeah, I'd want to do that for another year too....

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

A speck. The tiniest, teeniest, speckiest of specks. The last most speck of settled dust. The clock has ticked and ticked and ticked by, and along the rumblings of grapevines entwined with staff movements and acquisitions and rumour abound, gone is the distant cry that once rang... "We stink at the moment, seriously I'd throw Cleary in there. He would be better than what's out there at the moment".

I believe I was a replier to say "Meh, I guess it couldn't hurt, anything to stop this run" so I'm no above reproach. In truth when we hit that inevitable point where maladies come out to play and our encouraging record goes down the toilet an unhealthy number of us look to Dan Cleary as someone who "will at least go and hit some people and actually really really try really hard to do things good". It's a bit like the end of A Few Good Men; Daniel Cleary's existence is grotesque and incomprehensible to us, yet there will be points in our lives, points when we never utter an audible sound, when we want him on that wall, when we need him on that wall. I'd just prefer it wasn't Cleary and was some other washed up old vet. Because seriously, any other washed up old vet is probably better than Cleary at the moment. EDIT: essentially a washed up old vet who didn't play an entire career in a style that destroyed his ability to continue a career.

You have a flair for the dramatics.

I like your posts.

They're fun.

But chea.

I would rather see him as the 14th forward, than another unproven coach though.

[Rivalred 630]

He will end up in the front office

[kliq 3,755]

Philly denies ever having offered any contract, only a tryout. The only ones talking about the rumored 3-year Philly deal are Cleary and Holland. Also, how is the "handshake deal" and "promise to take care of" Cleary allowed under the CBA? Teams are not allowed to discuss multiple one-year deals. Could be considered cap circumvention.

Besides, it's plainly obvious to everyone except Cleary and Holland that Cleary is DONE, and has been for 3 years.

CBS Sports reported it: http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/23574197/dan-cleary-to-sign-with-flyers-for-three-years-775-million

NBC Philadelphia reported it: http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/source-flyers-dan-cleary-agree-deal

NHL.com reported it: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=681912

My point of showing all these links is that Cleary and Holland were not "the only ones" talking about it. It was reported from pretty much every media outlet out there is. Could it be wrong....sure. Only Holmgrem, Cleary, and Cleary's agent know for sure.

I believe you are right and that a handshake agreement is not allowed under the CBA. But good luck proving a conversation that took place between a select few. Again, could it be BS....yes. But all signs point to it being true given that he keeps getting signed when he clearly is done. I am basing my opinion off off what I see.

Edited June 10, 2015 by kliq

[Vladiator 116]

CBS Sports reported it: http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/23574197/dan-cleary-to-sign-with-flyers-for-three-years-775-million

NBC Philadelphia reported it: http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/source-flyers-dan-cleary-agree-deal

NHL.com reported it: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=681912

My point of showing all these links is that Cleary and Holland were not "the only ones" talking about it. It was reported from pretty much every media outlet out there is. Could it be wrong....sure. Only Holmgrem, Cleary, and Cleary's agent know for sure.

I believe you are right and that a handshake agreement is not allowed under the CBA. But good luck proving a conversation that took place between a select few. Again, could it be BS....yes. But all signs point to it being true given that he keeps getting signed when he clearly is done. I am basing my opinion off off what I see.

I understand the "gentlemen" agreement. After Cleary's performance last season, it's quite obvious that this guy just wants another paycheck and doesn't care about the development of the team. There is no way that he could contribute better than the players that are out of waiver options. Enough is enough.

[martinezsvsu 240]

Sure a guy who gives his all is great, but I'm sure we can get that with callahan and ferraro too.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Put him in GR as a player coach

[FireCaptain 563]

Put him in GR as a player coach

May want to fix your sig..

I bought some Maple Lea Tea. It cost a fortune and didn't come with a Cup.

[kliq 3,755]

I understand the "gentlemen" agreement. After Cleary's performance last season, it's quite obvious that this guy just wants another paycheck and doesn't care about the development of the team. There is no way that he could contribute better than the players that are out of waiver options. Enough is enough.

I don't disagree, I also want him to retire. Though I put it more on him then Holland, if the handshake agreement did happen and Holland renags, it sends a bad message. Lets just hope Cleary retires, or Holland signs him to a minor league deal.