Wings open to trading Mantha and/or their 1st Round Pick

[brett 1,029]

i think mantha is overrated regardless

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

You're right Phaneuf isn't great, however he's the only way we're getting rid of Weiss.

Ya so let's get rid of a potential big man sniper to make up for Kenny's stupidities

I'm sorry but at this point I'd be willing to suck it up and just throw weiss In Grand Rapids if need be or just pay 1.5 off his cap hit to a team like arizona for 4 years rather than being stuck with a cap issue for 6 years or giving away a stud prospect

Kenny's gonna have to suck it up

[wings87 1,290]

Ya so let's get rid of a potential big man sniper to make up for Kenny's stupidities

I'm sorry but at this point I'd be willing to suck it up and just throw weiss In Grand Rapids if need be or just pay 1.5 off his cap hit to a team like arizona for 4 years rather than being stuck with a cap issue for 6 years or giving away a stud prospect

Kenny's gonna have to suck it up

Are you talking about Mantha? Who's advocating getting rid of him? I said Weiss in a Phaneuf deal not Mantha.

I said Mantha in a JVR deal.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Mantha Larkin and AA is gonna be some line for us, I don't see even Kenny not seeing that.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Are you talking about Mantha? Who's advocating getting rid of him? I said Weiss in a Phaneuf deal not Mantha.

I said Mantha in a JVR deal.

K but if it takes mantha to get rid of weiss to get Phaneuf then I'd pass

Rather just admit the blunder and suck it up

And now that I think of it Kenny's last trades were brutal ...

Lost 2 2nd rounders jarnkrok janmark backman , signed cleary and weiss and we got 0 productivity from those traded for or signed

Kenny needs to maybe sip on some whiskey before trading ... Might actually help him

[kliq 3,755]

K but if it takes mantha to get rid of weiss to get Phaneuf then I'd pass

Rather just admit the blunder and suck it up

And now that I think of it Kenny's last trades were brutal ...

Lost 2 2nd rounders jarnkrok janmark backman , signed cleary and weiss and we got 0 productivity from those traded for or signed

Kenny needs to maybe sip on some whiskey before trading ... Might actually help him

Agreed I wouldn't do that trade either, but wouldn't trading Weiss be more of an admission of the signing being bad then keeping him?

Cant say I agree with you on the Cole/Zidlicky trades. Cole had an injury which happens in this sport, luckily he had an expiring contract and Zidlicky did was he was supposed to do. In the end we lost to a great team in 7 by 1 goal (not counting EN). Very low risk and not sacrificing the future for a chance to make a run.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Agreed I wouldn't do that trade either, but wouldn't trading Weiss be more of an admission of the signing being bad then keeping him?

Cant say I agree with you on the Cole/Zidlicky trades. Cole had an injury which happens in this sport, luckily he had an expiring contract and Zidlicky did was he was supposed to do. In the end we lost to a great team in 7 by 1 goal (not counting EN). Very low risk and not sacrificing the future for a chance to make a run.

Well if your keeping him it's cause you can't find a taker ... I think at his point across the league everyone knows it was a bad signing

Everyone knew cole had a history of injuries, still think a 2nd and backman would of been enough to get him , holland had no reason to throw in janmark

Regardless Coles trade result ended up being a waste cause like you said he was injured so in my eyes we gave up those assets for nothing

Zidlicky started off good but ended bad .... Point is there hasn't been a move Hollands done in along time that brought a lot to help the team

[wings87 1,290]

I think one of the reasons Holland's recent trade history has sucked is because he keeps making trades for marginal/aging players. Instead of paying a higher price and trying to upgrade the roster with impact players.

[marcaractac 3,962]

Big, physical and a future powerforward so that's to be expected. Wings need another soft as butter 180 lbs player.

Sadly the decision seems to be Develano > Mantha when it should be vise versa that guy should have been fired back in 2012

I am not one to doubt Mantha's potential, but a physical future power forward he will not be. He IS another soft as butter player, who happens to be really tall.

1st,smith,kindl ericsson,mantha, & pulki for OEL & 3rd pick

sign green

dream it.

kronwall

green

hanifin

OEL

dekeyser

marchenko

ouelette

now thats a youth movement.

The Yote's would never hose themselves that badly.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

If Arizona drafts hanifin, maybe we could gdt OEL, But I doubt they move him.

I would be happy if we got him though.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I am not one to doubt Mantha's potential, but a physical future power forward he will not be. He IS another soft as butter player, who happens to be really tall.

The Yote's would never hose themselves that badly.

See, Mantha is 20 years old neither Backes nor Getzlaf were the beasts they are now at that age. In fact Getzlaf received a lot of criticism for not playing physical and not using his huge frame to his advantage, he had to develop his mean streak as did Backes.

I also think people have to give up the OEL dream he is not coming here because that guy isn't available save for some ridiculous overpayment and if that happens other teams have much more to offer than the Wings do. If Edmonton offers someone like Hall, Hopkins or Boston Lucic, Rask that they'll be already ahead on the OEL sweepstakes.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Mantha.. Physical? Power forward? Beast? What's Frank smoking???

[number9 3,297]

Mantha is hot garbage. At least if we trade him now he still has value

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

If Arizona drafts hanifin, maybe we could gdt OEL, But I doubt they move him.

I would be happy if we got him though.

Getting OEL is as realistic as us getting Ekblad.

[wings87 1,290]

Getting OEL is as realistic as us getting Ekblad.

But we're gonna get him right? You said it's realistic...

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

See, Mantha is 20 years old neither Backes nor Getzlaf were the beasts they are now at that age. In fact Getzlaf received a lot of criticism for not playing physical and not using his huge frame to his advantage, he had to develop his mean streak as did Backes.

I also think people have to give up the OEL dream he is not coming here because that guy isn't available save for some ridiculous overpayment and if that happens other teams have much more to offer than the Wings do. If Edmonton offers someone like Hall, Hopkins or Boston Lucic, Rask that they'll be already ahead on the OEL sweepstakes.

At 20 years old Getzlaf was already in the NHL and scored 39 points in 57 games. Mantha is nowhere close to NHL ready at 20 years old. If Mantha becomes anywhere near Getzlaf I will be incredible happy, and the Wings would be very fortunate.

At 22 years old Getzlaf was already a PPG+ in the NHL.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Well... the cupboard is getting awfully full and as it stands the Wings have more prospects that are out of options and knocking on the door than we currently have room for. Mantha has a ton of upside. Maybe he has some downside, too. Personally I think one year in the AHL is too soon to write the kid off, and 33 points in 62 games shouldn't exactly be considered a failed season. But right now the Wings are in this awkward position where they're too good to get a top 10 or top 5 pick to draft a franchise player, but not good enough to get to the finals (or even past the first/second round). I generally hate trades, simply because its the least economic way of acquiring talent, but when we have the pieces in the pipeline that we do, and we are struggling to find room for them all, it only makes sense to move some prospects to fill a hole in the roster. And as it happens we are pretty set on bottom line guys, and even top six complementary pieces. What we lack is a franchise player, and trading Callahan, Ferraro, Smith, Kindl, Franzen and a 1st isn't going to do it despite what LGW tries to say. It will take one of Mantha or Larkin as a backbone of a deal to bring in the player we are looking for. Furthermore, we're kinda stuck with going after franchise players that are on the second half of their career, simply because no GM is willing to move a young franchise player. Its the most coveted piece of a roster, and also the most difficult to acquire. These guys aren't moved around when they're in their early 20s. So as it stands a guy like Phaneuf, who just turned 30 and has shown to be a reliable top 2 defender in just about any facet of the game is unfortunately as good as we're likely to get.

[LeftWinger 4,949]

wonder what happened to Mantha to make him "touchable" now...last two trade deadlines he was "untouchable."

If Holland is trading Mantha our 1st, Smith and Weiss, it damn well better be for a Ryan Suter type defenseman, NOT a Phanuef-type defenseman.

I am assuming that Mantha is not horrible, but of all our top end prospects, someone has to go to get what we need, and he is the one? Maybe? I mean with AA, Bertuzzi, Larkin and the chance of us landing Hyman, someone has to be the odd man out, but damn, I sure was looking forward to Larkin and Mantha being the next dynamic duo...

Again, like I said, if he's dealing Mantha and our 1st along with Smith and Weiss, it better be a blockbuster coming back....if it's only Phanuef (or similar) and tie that in with the possible re-signing of you know who, I would say our off season would be taking a bad turn...

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Everyone knew cole had a history of injuries, still think a 2nd and backman would of been enough to get him , holland had no reason to throw in janmark

So is it your contention that Nil asked for the pick and Backman, and Holland said "no, we want to give you Janmark too?"

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

So is it your contention that Nil asked for the pick and Backman, and Holland said "no, we want to give you Janmark too?"

I believe been through this already with someone .... Obviously not but I'm sure if Kenny tried harder we wouldn't of had to give janmark ... Just looks like he gave in easily

Cole is what ? 36? Ufa and a history of injuries and we give up a 2nd and backman(which say what you will but was regarded as a top prospect when the deal went down) and we throw in a young kid who was playing well in the shl?

If that's what cole cost imagine what a 32 year old ufa with injury problems will cost us ... Ouellet athanasiou and a pick?

Anyways didn't wanna get back into this it's over and done with ... My point is bringing up cole was he along with others holland have signed last few years or traded for have brought absolutely nothing to the wings (injury excuses or not)

I Think the last move that worked out for us was bringing Rafalski and giving cleary a shot and him turning out to be a good addition

wonder what happened to Mantha to make him "touchable" now...last two trade deadlines he was "untouchable."

If Holland is trading Mantha our 1st, Smith and Weiss, it damn well better be for a Ryan Suter type defenseman, NOT a Phanuef-type defenseman.

I am assuming that Mantha is not horrible, but of all our top end prospects, someone has to go to get what we need, and he is the one? Maybe? I mean with AA, Bertuzzi, Larkin and the chance of us landing Hyman, someone has to be the odd man out, but damn, I sure was looking forward to Larkin and Mantha being the next dynamic duo...

Again, like I said, if he's dealing Mantha and our 1st along with Smith and Weiss, it better be a blockbuster coming back....if it's only Phanuef (or similar) and tie that in with the possible re-signing of you know who, I would say our off season would be taking a bad turn...

I know it's funny cause of my name but I'd rather trade a nyquist/Tatar in a deal to get a dman

And just because we have larkin etc... Coming it doesn't guarantee anything ...what if mantha becomes a 30+ guy every year ? If we trade him then he could fetch us a lot more than now so I'm in no hurry to deal him

If we get Phaneuf does that make us a cup contender? Still need a few moves ... I think trusting ouellet and marchenko more makes us better , and if we could add a mike green to quarterback the ppl we'll be way better than now and we still have mantha in our system and the 19th pick or 2 more depending if we trade back or not

Edited June 15, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture

[rick zombo 3,739]

So Cox most likely pulls this Mantha thing out of his ass, and LGWs turns it into bat-s*** crazy trade scenarios. Classic.

The Wings probably have no interest in trading Mantha. If they didn't want to move him at the deadline, I doubt that they'd have gone 180 on the kid in three months.

[Richdg 267]

As mentioned before, anyone can be traded in the right deal. Now that being said, lets back up a bit. At the deadline Tor wanted Smith, Mantha, and our 1st for Phanuef. Now some think that Mantha and our 1st is going to get us a top pair Dman? Yes Phanuef is good, but is he even truely a top pair guy anymore? Maybe. So we are going to pay less and get more? Doubtful.

If I had to guess I would bet some writer in Tor is hoping we trade Mantha, not heard we are trying to trade him. Think about it. If we were going to try and move him would Jimmy D be running around bad mouthing him? Makes no sense. But hey who knows. I doubt that anything happens.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

As mentioned before, anyone can be traded in the right deal. Now that being said, lets back up a bit. At the deadline Tor wanted Smith, Mantha, and our 1st for Phanuef. Now some think that Mantha and our 1st is going to get us a top pair Dman? Yes Phanuef is good, but is he even truely a top pair guy anymore? Maybe. So we are going to pay less and get more? Doubtful.

If I had to guess I would bet some writer in Tor is hoping we trade Mantha, not heard we are trying to trade him. Think about it. If we were going to try and move him would Jimmy D be running around bad mouthing him? Makes no sense. But hey who knows. I doubt that anything happens.

I thought that it was Weiss, smith and the disagreement was between pulks and mantha.

I didn't see one report that we were trading our first in that package.

Edited June 15, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[DickieDunn 2,571]

I believe been through this already with someone .... Obviously not but I'm sure if Kenny tried harder we wouldn't of had to give janmark ... Just looks like he gave in easily

Cole is what ? 36? Ufa and a history of injuries and we give up a 2nd and backman(which say what you will but was regarded as a top prospect when the deal went down) and we throw in a young kid who was playing well in the shl?

If that's what cole cost imagine what a 32 year old ufa with injury problems will cost us ... Ouellet athanasiou and a pick?

Anyways didn't wanna get back into this it's over and done with ... My point is bringing up cole was he along with others holland have signed last few years or traded for have brought absolutely nothing to the wings (injury excuses or not)

I Think the last move that worked out for us was bringing Rafalski and giving cleary a shot and him turning out to be a good addition

I know it's funny cause of my name but I'd rather trade a nyquist/Tatar in a deal to get a dman

And just because we have larkin etc... Coming it doesn't guarantee anything ...what if mantha becomes a 30+ guy every year ? If we trade him then he could fetch us a lot more than now so I'm in no hurry to deal him

If we get Phaneuf does that make us a cup contender? Still need a few moves ... I think trusting ouellet and marchenko more makes us better , and if we could add a mike green to quarterback the ppl we'll be way better than now and we still have mantha in our system and the 19th pick or 2 more depending if we trade back or not

The old Holland is lazy and stupid argument, he could have forced the other team to give him a better deal argument. A classic.

Let's not forget, open to trading him is not the same as actively shopping him.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

.Let's not forget, open to trading him is not the same as actively shopping him.

Mantha? Don't buy it cause you can say your open to trade anyone ....nobody besides damian cox has come out and said wings are open to trading mantha and/or the first

The wings are always open to trading the first rounders and moving back for extra picks ... So it's not something new he's popped up with