e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/philadelphia-flyers-trade-chris-pronger-nicklas-grossmann-to-coyotes-for-sam-gagner/ If there's one thing that will happen with each new CBA, it's new and interesting ways to get around the cap. I know we've already seen bad contracts traded for players that may never play in the league again... but now we're seeing players that aren't even in the league (permanent LITR) and are employed by the league! FFS are we reaching a new low? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 I just don't understand how Pronger could have taken a job with the league and not forced to retire as a player first. Now basement teams are gonna reach the cap floor with bulls*** contracts like Pronger, when they should be forced to take on players like Weiss. 5 e_prime, roboturner, Number19 and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings87 1,290 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 I don't expect this to become a precedent. This is just a unique situation, that won't be repeated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 I have no expectations that this will become precedent. I'd just like an explanation from the league how they wrapped their heads around approving this trade. Also, I dunno what happened to the thread title (probably too long) but it said "...to ARI for..." 1 wings87 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FifeHockeyNut 57 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 Surely this is with a view to retirement? Arizona need to reach the cap floor and if Pronger retires the salary counts on cap but they will not need to pay him. Blatant cap violation, however, in light of recent incidents in Glendale a way for the league to continue to prop up the ailing Coyotes franchise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 Trading contracts of guys on the IR, or unable to play, would upset Bettman, so I'm all for them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 LOL da fuq Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings87 1,290 Report post Posted June 27, 2015 I have no expectations that this will become precedent. I'd just like an explanation from the league how they wrapped their heads around approving this trade. Also, I dunno what happened to the thread title (probably too long) but it said "...to ARI for..." It's pretty ridiculous, I'll give you that. I don't expect much of a response from the league though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 I just don't understand how Pronger could have taken a job with the league and not forced to retire as a player first. Now basement teams are gonna reach the cap floor with bulls*** contracts like Pronger, when they should be forced to take on players like Weiss. Hahaha. Beautiful. It's pretty ridiculous, I'll give you that. I don't expect much of a response from the league though.Even if they have a problem with it, nothing will be done or said publicly, it would make them look bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings87 1,290 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 Hahaha. Beautiful. Even if they have a problem with it, nothing will be done or said publicly, it would make them look bad. Has history taught you nothing...? The NHL doesn't care about looking bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 Has history taught you nothing...? The NHL doesn't care about looking bad.I prefer to repeat mistakes over and over.They're not going to say something about it publicly, they'll just wait and lock the league out and force the changes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings87 1,290 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 I prefer to repeat mistakes over and over. They're not going to say something about it publicly, they'll just wait and lock the league out and force the changes. NHL lockouts are like the purge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 NHL lockouts are like the purge.Horrible for entertainment purposes? 3 wings87, The Greek and Legendary D In 03 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmethead 235 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 Gladiator...are you not entertained? With Bettman saying it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 So Pronger is an employee of the NHL front office while also being employed as an NHL player under contract (who just got traded) while also becoming eligible for the HHOF because of the new bylaws? That's some impressive Pronger physics. I wonder if the Coyotes will retire his jersey? He's the best d-man they've ever had. 5 roboturner, BottleOfSmoke, marcaractac and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings87 1,290 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) So Pronger is an employee of the NHL front office while also being an NHL player under contract who just got traded while also becoming eligible for the HHOF because of the new bylaws. That's some impressive Pronger physics. I wonder if the Coyotes will retire his jersey? He's the best d-man they've ever had. A very shrewd trade. I wonder if the NHL can get away with trading the Coyotes to Sweden. Horrible for entertainment purposes?More like. Sad and profitable with plenty of sequels. Edited June 28, 2015 by wings87 1 jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 A very shrewd trade. I wonder if the NHL can get away with trading the Coyotes to Sweden. More like. Sad and profitable with plenty of sequels. Ha. I thought that movie was cabbage, it made me laugh. But it sounds like you're describing the 19 saw movies, or the 15 takens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings87 1,290 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 Ha. I thought that movie was cabbage, it made me laugh. But it sounds like you're describing the 19 saw movies, or the 15 takens. Eh, take your pick they're all pretty bad. 1 jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 Eh, take your pick they're all pretty bad.You've got that right my man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 IMO they need to no longer allow players on LTIR to be traded. Specifically those who are out indefinitely/forever. It is the only way to stop these trades. The cap was brought in to level competition, by forcing teams to all pay a similar salary for their roster. By taking on a cap hit that should be retired, the Yotes while technically are inching close to the cap floor, will actually be paying nowhere near it. Same for how the Leafs were able to dump Clarkson's contract to be able to pay a player who will never play again, and not count against the cap. Neither trade should have been allowed at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted June 28, 2015 That Pronger contract..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted June 29, 2015 I could picture it now. We get rid of Cleary, somehow his contract shows back up lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StayClassy 38 Report post Posted June 29, 2015 IMO they need to no longer allow players on LTIR to be traded. Specifically those who are out indefinitely/forever. It is the only way to stop these trades. The cap was brought in to level competition, by forcing teams to all pay a similar salary for their roster. By taking on a cap hit that should be retired, the Yotes while technically are inching close to the cap floor, will actually be paying nowhere near it. Same for how the Leafs were able to dump Clarkson's contract to be able to pay a player who will never play again, and not count against the cap. Neither trade should have been allowed at all. To be honest I don't really have a problem with the Clarkson trade, as much as I do this Pronger deal. Clarkson may actually turn out to be a useful player for Columbus. If they truly couldn't afford to pay for in and another actually turn out to be a useful player for Columbus. If they truly couldn't afford to pay for in and another quality player than this really is the best move that could've happened for them and for their fans too. However, the reason the Floor was put in place was partially from cheating their fans. The coyotes trading for Pronger who is never going to play again just to reach the floor does just that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FifeHockeyNut 57 Report post Posted June 29, 2015 To be honest I don't really have a problem with the Clarkson trade, as much as I do this Pronger deal. Clarkson may actually turn out to be a useful player for Columbus. If they truly couldn't afford to pay for in and another actually turn out to be a useful player for Columbus. If they truly couldn't afford to pay for in and another quality player than this really is the best move that could've happened for them and for their fans too. However, the reason the Floor was put in place was partially from cheating their fans. The coyotes trading for Pronger who is never going to play again just to reach the floor does just that. Am I right in thinking that the only way that Pronger's contract helps Phoenix reach the floor is if he 1) plays or 2) retires?If they pay him while on LTIR all they do is waste money as he won't impact the cap and will be paid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted June 29, 2015 Am I right in thinking that the only way that Pronger's contract helps Phoenix reach the floor is if he 1) plays or 2) retires? If they pay him while on LTIR all they do is waste money as he won't impact the cap and will be paid. Players on LTIR still count against the cap but allow their team to go over the cap by as much money as their cap hit, I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites