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I don't think by an stretch that McCarty's number should be out of circulation, but to call him a "druggie idiot" is ignorant as f***... He was a fan favorite and a huge part of all those Cup wins. I personally love(d) McCarty, he was definitely one of my favorite Wings of the 90's. Drug addiction or not, he deserves the respect of the fans of Detroit.

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I don't think by an stretch that McCarty's number should be out of circulation, but to call him a "druggie idiot" is ignorant as f***... He was a fan favorite and a huge part of all those Cup wins. I personally love(d) McCarty, he was definitely one of my favorite Wings of the 90's. Drug addiction or not, he deserves the respect of the fans of Detroit.

So you're saying drugs are ok?

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Again, what's your point? Where did I say anything about people with addictions being great?...

I don't think by an stretch that McCarty's number should be out of circulation, but to call him a "druggie idiot" is ignorant as f***... He was a fan favorite and a huge part of all those Cup wins. I personally love(d) McCarty, he was definitely one of my favorite Wings of the 90's. Drug addiction or not, he deserves the respect of the fans of Detroit.

You didn't call people with addictions great, nor did I say you did. But McCarty pretty much trashed his own career with drugs... like an idiot

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Yup, I'm sure Darren's goal in life was to make the NHL and then throw it all away for drugs... Do you honestly think his addiction was a choice? I don't know about you, but I know more than enough people with addictions to know better. Anyway, I'm done with this conversation. Green will look great sporting that number 25.

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Yup, I'm sure Darren's goal in life was to make the NHL and then throw it all away for drugs... Do you honestly think his addiction was a choice? I don't know about you, but I know more than enough people with addictions to know better. Anyway, I'm done with this conversation. Green will look great sporting that number 25.

Yup, I think Darren made a lot of bad choices

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I don't think by an stretch that McCarty's number should be out of circulation, but to call him a "druggie idiot" is ignorant as f***... He was a fan favorite and a huge part of all those Cup wins. I personally love(d) McCarty, he was definitely one of my favorite Wings of the 90's. Drug addiction or not, he deserves the respect of the fans of Detroit.

I second that.

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Nah. He's a druggie idiot who could have been a cornerstone piece of Detroit for years (a la Maltby and Draper) but instead pissed it all away. Why should I care about him? Because he punched Claude Lemioux? That was 20 years ago. Who cares? Sergei Fedorov was the absolute lynchpin of those teams and people throw him under the bus for some reason. Yet it's politically incorrect to say that McCarty was a hack. I don't get this fan base sometimes.

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Nah. He's a druggie idiot who could have been a cornerstone piece of Detroit for years (a la Maltby and Draper) but instead pissed it all away. Why should I care about him? Because he punched Claude Lemioux? That was 20 years ago. Who cares? Sergei Fedorov was the absolute lynchpin of those teams and people throw him under the bus for some reason. Yet it's politically incorrect to say that McCarty was a hack. I don't get this fan base sometimes.

Fedorov would've never been any good if Darren wasn't there to do speed and punch others for him

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Nah. He's a druggie idiot who could have been a cornerstone piece of Detroit for years (a la Maltby and Draper) but instead pissed it all away. Why should I care about him? Because he punched Claude Lemioux? That was 20 years ago. Who cares? Sergei Fedorov was the absolute lynchpin of those teams and people throw him under the bus for some reason. Yet it's politically incorrect to say that McCarty was a hack. I don't get this fan base sometimes.

He was a beloved part of a golden age team. He was here 10 years straight (plus parts of 2 in the comeback attempt) Maltby wasn't here much longer with 14 years. He has a Cancer foundation that raises money for research and is active in the community. He seems like a pretty good guy that just let his demons get the better of him.

I haven't read his book and don't know too much of his story, but there's many reasons why people turn to drugs. In hockey we've had a number of stories of enforcers dealing with depression that should guide most people against simplistically damning McCarty as you seem to want to. Maybe he was dealing something like Rick Rypien was. Maybe his brain looks like swiss cheese like Proberts did in the autopsy. I do know that McCarty's father died of cancer in 1995 (at age 49). Possibly that was a trigger to lead him down a dark path. Drugs are often a symptom of something else. Try a little empathy.

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well I'm not surprised that the let's turn hockey into another ***** sport fans aren't showing a man like DMac the respect he deserves.

This guy was not only a fan favorite even other tough guys looked up to him as some sort of role model. This guy gave his all and even more and was a huge part of the golden age group. I would kill to have someone like him or a young Shanahan on the roster wiping the floor with guys that try to take advantage of smaller players .

Mike Green should have known a bit about the history and take another number that's all I'm saying.

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He was a beloved part of a golden age team. He was here 10 years straight (plus parts of 2 in the comeback attempt) Maltby wasn't here much longer with 14 years. He has a Cancer foundation that raises money for research and is active in the community. He seems like a pretty good guy that just let his demons get the better of him.

I haven't read his book and don't know too much of his story, but there's many reasons why people turn to drugs. In hockey we've had a number of stories of enforcers dealing with depression that should guide most people against simplistically damning McCarty as you seem to want to. Maybe he was dealing something like Rick Rypien was. Maybe his brain looks like swiss cheese like Proberts did in the autopsy. I do know that McCarty's father died of cancer in 1995 (at age 49). Possibly that was a trigger to lead him down a dark path. Drugs are often a symptom of something else. Try a little empathy.

You can pity a substance abuser without any particular need to glorify them, or make excuses for them, in the process.

There may be a number of factors that contribute to his behavior. There usually are. But that doesn't excuse it. And I'm not going to glorify McCarty when players like Draper, Maltby, Osgood, Kocur, Chelios, etc. contributed just as much on the ice, and represented themselves, the team, and the city twice as well off of it, without all the baggage.

If Mike Green shouldn't wear 25, then I'd expect 18, 30, 33, 24, and 26 to be taken out of circulation as well. Which is completely silly. McCarty is a guy with a few high points, and a lot of "might have beens" in his career. Nobody can take that from him. But IMO, that's not worthy of the respect and admiration that gets heaped on him. Pity maybe, but not respect and admiration. That's reserved for the guys who continue to earn it.

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well I'm not surprised that the let's turn hockey into another ***** sport fans aren't showing a man like DMac the respect he deserves.

This guy was not only a fan favorite even other tough guys looked up to him as some sort of role model. This guy gave his all and even more and was a huge part of the golden age group. I would kill to have someone like him or a young Shanahan on the roster wiping the floor with guys that try to take advantage of smaller players .

Mike Green should have known a bit about the history and take another number that's all I'm saying.

Cause it has to be either this point of view, or yours. One or the other. Somewhere in the middle requires too much independent thougth.

Also, RAINBOW UNICORNZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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well I'm not surprised that the let's turn hockey into another ***** sport fans aren't showing a man like DMac the respect he deserves.

This guy was not only a fan favorite even other tough guys looked up to him as some sort of role model. This guy gave his all and even more and was a huge part of the golden age group. I would kill to have someone like him or a young Shanahan on the roster wiping the floor with guys that try to take advantage of smaller players .

Mike Green should have known a bit about the history and take another number that's all I'm saying.

Haven't multiple players, including emdog, worn 25 since Dmac lol? Why is this all of the sudden an issue? like Kip said, if you take 25 off the table A LOT of other numbers deserve the same treatment. Pretty soon everyone's wearing 83 or 49

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