WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 Say what you want, Ken Holland completely delivered today. I certainly think this contract is more than reasonable considering the deals O'Reilly ($7,500,000 X 7), Saad ($6,000,000 X 6), and Taresenko ($7,500,000 X 8) recently received. We still have the Cap Room to sign Jurco, Pulkinnen and Ferrarro - and another $8.6 Million coming off the books this summer (Quincey, Miller, Richards). Franzen adds another $3.9 if he cant go. ZETTERBERG - DATSYUK - ABDELKADER TATAR - SHEAHAN - FRANZEN NYQUIST - RICHARDS - PULKINNEN JURCO - HELM - GLENDENNING KRONWALL - ERICSSON DEKEYSER - GREEN SMITH - MARCHENKO We are undoubtedly better than we were a year ago, and still had the eventual Stanley cup finalists 2 minutes (or a Luke Glendenning setback) away from a 3-1 series lead. Cant wait. 1 PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MileHighWingsGuy 178 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 I like the 4 year deal!! Very happy we'll get to watch Goose the next 4 years!! Well done Kenny!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ami 273 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) $3.891 of space to sign Jurco, Pulkkinen. MORE than enough room. Where's this number from? This site say it's just a bit north of 1mil: http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/DET?year=2016 Never mind. Should've read thread to the end. Edited July 10, 2015 by ami Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,520 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 Hopefully this contract will help motivate Tatar as well. If Gus can cash in like this, Tatar is looking at a hefty raise if he keeps being the better player. 4 WingsAlways, e_prime, PavelValerievichDatsyuk and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) Hopefully this contract will help motivate Tatar as well. If Gus can cash in like this, Tatar is looking at a hefty raise if he keeps being the better player. YikesNyquist>Tatar If babs never tried to use Gus as depth scoring for a big portion of the season he could have easily hit 30 plus nyquist's defensive game>>>Tatar's Edited July 10, 2015 by joesuffP 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 A bit more and a bit longer than I'd expected. I tend to be more cautious with longer contracts. Give someone a shorter one to keep them on the leash, so to speak. I'm also notoriously cheap. Nonetheless, I'm very pleased. He has several good years ahead of him, and we have him for four of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 A bit more and a bit longer than I'd expected. I tend to be more cautious with longer contracts. Give someone a shorter one to keep them on the leash, so to speak. I'm also notoriously cheap. Nonetheless, I'm very pleased. He has several good years ahead of him, and we have him for four of them. I wouldn't call 4 years a long contract, not short either, but it shows the player they want him around, shows the team he wants to be there, and the cap hit is low enough that he will work hard for a raise, and short enough he doesn't become complacent. 4 55fan, TheXym, krsmith17 and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 Very good deal. Surprising. Figured it would be longer and for more. But lets not look a gift horse in the mouth! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 Holland's got a real good streak going this summer. Good to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 2nd highest payroll in the NHL behind Chicago...not quite sure our payroll reflects where this team is right now. Andersson and Ferraro and Callahan will now be waived and more than likely lost for free. Sure wish Nyquist would've gotten about $1M less, but whatever. Hopefully Franzen is indeed done, then at least we won't be a cap team. Gotta get Jurco and Pulk both for under $2M together, still puts us way over...best scenario now is if Franzen is dumped to a salary floor team in need (New Jersey) just to not lose anymore of our talented kids for a concussed player. Trade him to NJ for Future considerations and call it done. Too bad Marchenko will also probably now flee to the KHL, he already said he does not want to be in GR for another year...Too bad we couldn't dump Q and Ericsson. Nyquist is not better than Tatar, they are two different types of players, they each bring different dynamics to the table. This most certainly means a huge raise for Tatar, especially when/if he outscores Nyquist again the next two seasons... For those of you putting Franzen on a line, you are hedging that he is 100%, I get it, but he is one hit away from another LTIR season, and you will have already lost your depth in Ferraro, Andersson and Callahan. Best thing to do is send Franzen to a cap floor team and have a nice day and hope he eventually gets healthy enough to play, just not here. His time is over in Detroit, the only thing he is doing now is taking up valuable cap space from kids getting into the NHL where they belong and will continue to do so for the next 5 years if not dealt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franzine 739 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 Tatar is the better player. True. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 Who cares if Andersson, Ferraro and Callahan are lost? Almost everyone was begging Andersson to leave anyways, Ferraro is a spare part and Callahan has never played a second in the NHL and would probably clear waivers regardless. Getting Nyquist signed to a reasonable contract is far more important. This summer has been really well done by Holland. Given the lack of quality talent available in free agency, he still made the Red Wings much better for next season without having to sacrifice pieces of the future in the process. I don't think Holland could have done much better. 1 The Greek reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain2005 32 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 2nd highest payroll in the NHL behind Chicago...not quite sure our payroll reflects where this team is right now. Andersson and Ferraro and Callahan will now be waived and more than likely lost for free. Sure wish Nyquist would've gotten about $1M less, but whatever. Hopefully Franzen is indeed done, then at least we won't be a cap team. Gotta get Jurco and Pulk both for under $2M together, still puts us way over...best scenario now is if Franzen is dumped to a salary floor team in need (New Jersey) just to not lose anymore of our talented kids for a concussed player. Trade him to NJ for Future considerations and call it done. Too bad Marchenko will also probably now flee to the KHL, he already said he does not want to be in GR for another year...Too bad we couldn't dump Q and Ericsson. Nyquist is not better than Tatar, they are two different types of players, they each bring different dynamics to the table. This most certainly means a huge raise for Tatar, especially when/if he outscores Nyquist again the next two seasons... For those of you putting Franzen on a line, you are hedging that he is 100%, I get it, but he is one hit away from another LTIR season, and you will have already lost your depth in Ferraro, Andersson and Callahan. Best thing to do is send Franzen to a cap floor team and have a nice day and hope he eventually gets healthy enough to play, just not here. His time is over in Detroit, the only thing he is doing now is taking up valuable cap space from kids getting into the NHL where they belong and will continue to do so for the next 5 years if not dealt. I'm not sure if anything in that post was correct. http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/cap/ Not saying this site is 100% correct but we are 8th on here, with 25 players signed. Chicago is first, over the cap limit and only has 20 players. Even if these aren't 100% accurate we are definitely not the 2nd in the league, and not everything will be as negative as this post, and all your other ones indicates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsRox 614 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 Great, fair, good term, need the Goose to be back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 Chuck Pleiness @wingsfrontman 9m9 minutes ago Just confirmed the last two years of Nyquist's deal has a full no-trade clause. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 For sure, Holland has had a stellar off season compared to the past few years for sure! I just hate losing guys for free. I am not a big Andersson fan and wouldn't lose any sleep if he wasn't on the WIngs, but at least get a 7th round pick for him, now you won't even get that because 29 other teams know you are cap strapped and won't offer you jack. Call me kooky, but I like Ferraro, he showed a lot of heart in his few games and playoffs, and that doesn't grow on trees, someone will get him and he will be great for them in a role that he should be with us. I just don't like developing a kid for 4-5 years and losing him for nothing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bannedforlife 403 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 Holland's best offseason this decade? 2 LeftWinger and TheXym reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 A little overpaid. I had predicted him for 4x4 on the arbitration thread. The reason for the lower number is that he haven't produced in the playoffs. And there is a risk he might not. He's a little scrawny and has trouble getting to the slot unless backdooring. Doesn't jive well with being a sniper. Grumpingly decent, I suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 As already mentioned, good deal for both sides. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 captain2005, I was using Hockey's Cap and they show Andy Miele up with us also, so not quite accurate, but I think they just list the guys that are out of exemptions until they are waived... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 Call me kooky, but I like Ferraro, he showed a lot of heart in his few games and playoffs, and that doesn't grow on trees, someone will get him and he will be great for them in a role that he should be with us. I just don't like developing a kid for 4-5 years and losing him for nothing... Ferraro is the next emdog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 Ericsson. The guy is overpaid. Not sure there'd be any takers. Then next year KFQ and Richards are off the books. That's over $10M in space with those 3. A $4.25 cap hit for a guy who plays 20 minutes a night is a good contract. Teams would be interested. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain2005 32 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 captain2005, I was using Hockey's Cap and they show Andy Miele up with us also, so not quite accurate, but I think they just list the guys that are out of exemptions until they are waived... Fair enough. I'm new to all of this, but we all can agree we miss Capgeek though right. I just read a quote, that Holland expects to be just slightly over the cap limit after resigning Jurco and Pulks. I would love to see him move someone though, not for another player, maybe draft picks or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 Damn I was close! In guessed 5 years, 4.75 million a year. 1 year off! Great deal! Good job Holland! 1 jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted July 10, 2015 2nd highest payroll in the NHL behind Chicago...not quite sure our payroll reflects where this team is right now. Andersson and Ferraro and Callahan will now be waived and more than likely lost for free. Sure wish Nyquist would've gotten about $1M less, but whatever. Hopefully Franzen is indeed done, then at least we won't be a cap team. Gotta get Jurco and Pulk both for under $2M together, still puts us way over...best scenario now is if Franzen is dumped to a salary floor team in need (New Jersey) just to not lose anymore of our talented kids for a concussed player. Trade him to NJ for Future considerations and call it done. Too bad Marchenko will also probably now flee to the KHL, he already said he does not want to be in GR for another year...Too bad we couldn't dump Q and Ericsson. Nyquist is not better than Tatar, they are two different types of players, they each bring different dynamics to the table. This most certainly means a huge raise for Tatar, especially when/if he outscores Nyquist again the next two seasons... For those of you putting Franzen on a line, you are hedging that he is 100%, I get it, but he is one hit away from another LTIR season, and you will have already lost your depth in Ferraro, Andersson and Callahan. Best thing to do is send Franzen to a cap floor team and have a nice day and hope he eventually gets healthy enough to play, just not here. His time is over in Detroit, the only thing he is doing now is taking up valuable cap space from kids getting into the NHL where they belong and will continue to do so for the next 5 years if not dealt. Payroll is rarely a good indicator of team quality. That's kind of the whole point of the cap. Get everyone spending close enough to the same amount so that everyone can be competitive. Secondly, our cap situation has nothing to do with losing any kids. We have enough space to fill the roster. Even if Nyquist was paying $4.75M, we'd still have to waive someone. Do you have a source for Marchenko? I haven't heard anything about him being dissatisfied. Yeah, Tatar will get a nice raise if he continues to perform. He would have gotten a nice raise even if Nyquist had signed for $3M. It's reality. Signing Gus cheap wouldn't have reset the league standards. Regardless of what you think, $5M is not superstar money. It's Nyquist/Tatar-level money. In two years when he's up for renewal, it will probably be a little higher. Finally, Ferraro, Andersson, and Callahan are not our depth. They're plugs, and most likely none of them have a future here, and maybe not even much of one anywhere in the NHL. If Franzen plays 20 games he'll be more valuable than all those guys combined. Sure, if he goes on LTIR, we could keep Ferraro or Andersson around for a year. Then next summer we can all ***** about those guys still being here when we should be giving Larkin, Mantha, Athanasiou, Bertuzzi, Nosek or Nastasiuk a chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites