Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

The only reported rumor that had any legs when it comes to Phaneuf is that Weiss was involved in the trade.

I dunno where this "Franzen in the deal" trade speculation has materialized from...

...and while I'm sure EVERYONE would love to talk more about Franzen and his noggin'

Can't it be done in the multitude of other threads already dedicated to Franzen?

So we've got an over/under goal total for Jurco... How about Pulkkinen?

I'll say 15-20 for pulks, 30-40 points.

And I've never heard that Franzen rumor either, I think it was just made up by that conspiracy theorist guy on here.

I've seen Weiss.pulks.and smith. Never once did I see Franzen until today.

Do you think they're going to re-sign Aubry?

Edited July 14, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[Caanis Cooper 5]

I want a player to want to stay on our team. It just doesn't seem like Jurco has much desire to do so. He didn't produce. Which means you get a non-producer's contract. It's simple. I would rather sign Pulkinnen and let Jurco go in a trade or test the market himself. I think he'll find that a lot of teams won't take a gamble on a young player who didn't produce in a system that cultivates their young talent. My two cents.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Caanis Cooper

[Helmethead 235]

This is definitely Jurco's make or break season for the Wings.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

I want a player to want to stay on our team. It just doesn't seem like Jurco has much desire to do so. He didn't produce. Which means you get a non-producer's contract. It's simple. I would rather sign Pulkinnen and let Jurco go in a trade or test the market himself. I think he'll find that a lot of teams won't take a gamble on a young player who didn't produce in a system that cultivates their young talent. My two cents.

Jurcos big, fast, and skilled as hell, and hell be on a good contract. I bet almost every team in the league would take a chance on him.

He's still very young, hell come around.

But it really didn't sound like he was too excited to stay here.

So hopefully that was just because of of he translation, or I hope he changes his tune.

[anthonyn66 89]

Jurco was at times played with Datsyuk, was put on the PP, still didn't put up great numbers

But at the same time, I feel like Blashill will revive him. Jurco's first year in GR was underwhelming, then he went PPG.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Jurco was at times played with Datsyuk, was put on the PP, still didn't put up great numbers

But at the same time, I feel like Blashill will revive him. Jurco's first year in GR was underwhelming, then he went PPG.

He was just snake bitten last season, his shooting percentage was insanely low.

Plus power forwards have a steep learning curve, look how long it took Abdelkader to be effective.

Plus, the hole sophomore slump thing.

[LeftWinger 4,953]

Franzen is a waist of a money and a roster spot. If he is in the lineup on opening day, we will be less some good prospects...and we would have wasted our time with our draft picks. To lose any one of these players to keep Franzen here for the next five years will be a waste. What are you going to do when Frk, AA, Mantha, and Larkin are due up, do you still keep Franzen? Franzen needs to go now or lose the likes of AA and Frk for sure. You need to get off this Franzen love, he is done, over, not worth keeping, especially when it comes to losing valuable prospects. He was the wrong choice and he continues to show that he is horrible. Sure, he had the concussion last January, but how do you expain the previous 5 years of floating around and s***ting on the ice? You cannot explain it any other way than he is done, over, washed up. Time to cut ties with him now, either LTIR or trade him. No way is losing ANYONE to cap issues worth keeping Franzen for. If Holland does this, then this franchise is doomed... f*** Franzen

Anyhow, if the WIngs plan on moving forward and not losing young players for nothing or being forced to trade them, there has to be casualties at the NHL level. Q, E, K and Franzen, and maybe Smith are ALL great candidates to move in order to secure the kids arrival the next few seasons...

Edited July 14, 2015 by LeftWinger

[Caanis Cooper 5]

I think your statement says it all. If you can't put up numbers with Pavel air mailing you the puck, then you might be a bust. I keep hearing people talk about his size. Yet, when there are scrums by the net, he shrinks away from the fray. He gets checked off of the puck more than Nyquist and when the match ups are favorable for him to burst down the wing with speed, he dumps the puck at the blue line. I can't rule him out totally, but I'd rather use him in a trade when we have such amazing prospects waiting in the wings to get upstairs on the big club.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Caanis Cooper

[barabbas16 499]

The only reported rumor that had any legs when it comes to Phaneuf is that Weiss was involved in the trade.

I dunno where this "Franzen in the deal" trade speculation has materialized from...

...and while I'm sure EVERYONE would love to talk more about Franzen and his noggin'

Can't it be done in the multitude of other threads already dedicated to Franzen?

So we've got an over/under goal total for Jurco... How about Pulkkinen?

The two subjects are connected, though. If Franzen is healthy, it could directly affect the playing time and goal totals of Jurco and Pulkkinen. If Mule is able to handle even a moderate load of games played, Jurco and Pulkkinen may be competing with each other for a spot in the lineup.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Franzen isn't going to cause us to lose any kids, if he can't play very much this season, he'll go back on ltir and problem solved.

Moving him would be stupid because on top of the fact that we'd have to package something decent with him to get someone to take him there's also the chance he doesn't want to sit on ltir for another team and he retires and we're stuck with the recapture for him. He's been a lifelong wing, so keeping his cap hit off our books isn't a problem as long as he's here.

Whether or not you want franzen gone, here, whether you think he can play or not, Taking that unnecessary risk, as well as giving up assets to get rid of him is simply dumb.

Anyways.

I'm done posting in thus thread as long as it keeps going on this get rid of Franzen at all cost path.

Noones going to change their opinion on it, and some don't even effin read or consider what then other person says.

..

So have fun with this pointless Franzen talk.

Edited July 14, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[Buppy 1,720]

Franzen is a waist of a money and a roster spot. If he is in the lineup on opening day, we will be less some good prospects...and we would have wasted our time with our draft picks. To lose any one of these players to keep Franzen here for the next five years will be a waste. What are you going to do when Frk, AA, Mantha, and Larkin are due up, do you still keep Franzen? Franzen needs to go now or lose the likes of AA and Frk for sure. You need to get off this Franzen love, he is done, over, not worth keeping, especially when it comes to losing valuable prospects. He was the wrong choice and he continues to show that he is horrible. Sure, he had the concussion last January, but how do you expain the previous 5 years of floating around and s***ting on the ice? You cannot explain it any other way than he is done, over, washed up. Time to cut ties with him now, either LTIR or trade him. No way is losing ANYONE to cap issues worth keeping Franzen for. If Holland does this, then this franchise is doomed... f*** Franzen

Anyhow, if the WIngs plan on moving forward and not losing young players for nothing or being forced to trade them, there has to be casualties at the NHL level. Q, E, K and Franzen, and maybe Smith are ALL great candidates to move in order to secure the kids arrival the next few seasons...

Frk is garbage and can't even stick with GR. I'll bet he never plays an NHL game. We won't lose him because of Franzen, he'll lose us because of his lack of ability.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Nm.

Edited July 14, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I think unfortunetly even if mule is back it'll only be a matter of time before he takes another hit and is gone

As for the jurco article just sounds like he wants more money .... He should of hired ryan o'reillys agent ... Bit off topic here .... I knew about o'reillys cap hit but I heard on the radio today that he's making 11 million this season

I got no idea how this lets crash my car into a tim hortons ******* is getting all this money ... Most overpaid player in the league by far

And back to topic lol ... Got no doubt jurco and pulkkinen will excel this season under Blashill ... Unlike Babcock he will know jow to utilize the kids and wouldn't surprise me if they both got 15-20 goals

Just worried with all these 1 yr deals cause you know if they get good seasons they'll be asking for more cash than 1 mill per ballpark

[Caanis Cooper 5]

I wish Mule would retire for the sake of his own body and his family. You just don't mess with this kind of injury. It's not worth it.

[Helmethead 235]

Agreed Caanis. At his age and the number of concussions he's suffered, why risk even more long term damage? My gut says he ends up back on LTIR but we'll see what happens.

[LeftWinger 4,953]

Ya, jimmy, but it he says he is healthy to start the season, decisions HAVE to be made then to waive players, not when he decides that he needs LTIR in Novemeber, theres the chance that some of our kids will already be claimed. Do you want to sacrifice Pulk for Franzen's what ifs? That is all I am saying with the trade him now idea. In no way do I want to lose any more kids to washed up vets like we have done before.

[LeftWinger 4,953]

There is always the chance that Franzen is and stays healthy, and score 25-30 goals again for then next 5 years, I get it, but that's a big CHANCE. I understand Andersson and Ferraro and Callahan are bottom 6er's and wouldn't be a huge loss, but what if you lose all three and then Franzen goes LTIR again this season, then next season it all starts again?

Sorry to yap about Franzen, but damn I hate to lose these kids we've groomed for free...

...ok, anyhow, I also got the feeling in the article that Jurco is not really loving it here in Detroit. Maybe he just wants to one year deal to see how Blash is going to untilize him. Maybe he just feels that this organization has not been for him thus far. I am hoping that a line of Jurco-Sheahan-Pulkkinen really lights it up. (although I would love to see Pulk with Dats) But if Jurco's heart isn't really here (ie Hudler) then maybe a trade is the best idea. IT would free up a spot for a healthy Franzen or for someone who wants to be in Detroit for a long time...

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Thing is, Jurco's going to have to earn it. No, I don't think he was utilized properly last season - getting dog housed and scratched/stuck on the fourth line isn't going to help any younger player. At the same time, he's really gotta bank on his chances. Both Jurco and Pulkkinen have a fan in Blashill, but they're most likely competing for that same third-line, RW spot at the beginning of the season. Whatever time they get via other players being on the IR list, they'll have to make good on it.

[e_prime 1,936]

I try not to read too much into these interviews -- mainly due to the translation issues, but also because the player isn't going to say much... ...but I did want to point out that he doesn't expect the moon, just that he wants a little more than his qualifying offer.

He seemingly has an understanding of how being a player in Detroit "works" noting his comments about Tatar and Nyquist and their respective salaries. Also seems like he just wants to have a good season. If you want to speculate anything, you gotta imagine he's feeling good about Blash being the head coach.

[FifeHockeyNut 57]

Did it sound like he wants out of Detroit in that, or is it just because its being translated?

I remember reading similar type interviews with Tats when he was pushing for roster spot and negotiating last summer. I think its a combo the translation and I also I think Jurco is just being honest in his assessment of the situation.

[joesuffP 1,746]

I really hope there's room for Jurco on the third line this year and that he does well. I liked the way he played in the playoffs. With skilled linemates and more minutes his point totals have to go up. I can't see Franzen being shipped out. It's just not the Red Wing way. He pretty much willed us to a Stanley Cup let's not forget

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Franzen is a waist of a money and a roster spot. If he is in the lineup on opening day, we will be less some good prospects...and we would have wasted our time with our draft picks. To lose any one of these players to keep Franzen here for the next five years will be a waste. What are you going to do when Frk, AA, Mantha, and Larkin are due up, do you still keep Franzen? Franzen needs to go now or lose the likes of AA and Frk for sure. You need to get off this Franzen love, he is done, over, not worth keeping, especially when it comes to losing valuable prospects. He was the wrong choice and he continues to show that he is horrible. Sure, he had the concussion last January, but how do you expain the previous 5 years of floating around and s***ting on the ice? You cannot explain it any other way than he is done, over, washed up. Time to cut ties with him now, either LTIR or trade him. No way is losing ANYONE to cap issues worth keeping Franzen for. If Holland does this, then this franchise is doomed... f*** Franzen

Anyhow, if the WIngs plan on moving forward and not losing young players for nothing or being forced to trade them, there has to be casualties at the NHL level. Q, E, K and Franzen, and maybe Smith are ALL great candidates to move in order to secure the kids arrival the next few seasons...

Soooo you DON'T have a source or anything for this "Franzen was included in Phaneuf trade" non-sense...

If Franzen is healthy he deserves to be on the opening roster. He's been consistent over the years for what his cost is and at most will cost us the risk to waive a Callahan/Ferraro/Andersson.

But yes that's a big IF.

[number9 3,297]

Seems to me at this point that Franzen will be ready to start on the roster this fall. So all you "I hate Franzen, but feel bad for his booboos" sell outs better be ready for my pro-Franzen sh**-storm.

You turned on him and now this is what you get

[LeftWinger 4,953]

For the record, I didn't turn on him...I have disliked him for a looooooooong time. And you all will see, give him the roster spot he will come in score 5 goals in 2 weeks, then take the rest of the year off on LTIR. Oh, and you will less some good prospects FOR FREE...

he may even come in a score 10 goals in 6 games...but that will be it! Head case....

Edited July 15, 2015 by LeftWinger

[WingsallTheway 383]

Judging by the article, I'd say it seems like Jurco doesn't see a future in Detroit.

Maybe having more chances will change that perspective, who knows. You can for sure tell he wants to cash out but he certainly hasn't earned anything yet.