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Pulkkinen re-signs.... 1 year deal

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Anderson, Ferraro, and Callahan (and Meile and Aubry), plus Jurco said he expects a 1 year deal.

Okay, that is a few. Pulks, Mrazek and Jurco (if his is a 1 year deal) are the only ones that really matter.

We will be tight for space upfront in a few years with AA Larkin Mantha, Svench. Maybe that's the consideration.

so possible big raises next year PLUS 4 defensemen out of exemptions...oh boy!

I think here's been some misinformation here for the past couple of years (I repeated it myself) Jensen isn't out of options next year - he has 2 years, doesn't he?

That makes only 1 too many next year (assuming Kindl is gone by then) Sproul has a ways to go to put himself in the running

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We're going to waive some forwards before we waive Kindl.

generalfanager.com has Miele (575k), Ferraro, and Andersson listed on the forward roster counting against the cap.

Miele won't be there and one of Ferraro (600k) or Andersson (815k) in all likelihood. So anywhere from 1.175 to 1.49 million in cap space for Jurco if we're starting the year with this 23 man roster:

Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Nyquist, Franzen, Richards, Tatar, Helm, Abdelkader, Miller, Sheahan, Pulkkinen, Jurco, Glendening, Andersson/Ferraro

Kronwall, Green, Ericsson, Quincey, Smith, Kindl, Dekeyser

Howard, Mrazek

If Datsyuk (most likely) starts the season on LITR and Franzen as well... cap space is a non-issue.

Yeah I didn't look closely enough, guess - I didn't know Miele was included. Thank for the correction.

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I think people fail to see the point here.

The one year deal is in the organizations favor.

Pulkinnen hasn't had a full NHL season yet. Chances of him playing superstar status and putting up a ton of points are low.

He might put up okay numbers. But most likely he won't see the minutes nor put up the numbers that Nyquist did on the top line with Zetterberg or Tatar with Datsyuk.

Ergo when his contract is up next year; the organization can basically get him back for a decent deal if they want.

If he ends up sucking like a lot of posters here predict; we don't need to pay some crazy amount

This is his year to prove it.

I think he will do decent but not good enough to warrant a crazy new contract. He's simply not NHL developed quite yet.

If it was a two year contract I could see him doing much better in the second season of his contract and then asking for a hefty pay. But with a 1 year contract, it doesn't necessarily favor him.

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...I think here's been some misinformation here for the past couple of years (I repeated it myself) Jensen isn't out of options next year - he has 2 years, doesn't he?

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No, this is his last year of exemption. His first contract was for the 13-14 season. He was 23 or 22, depending on which date it's based off, but it doesn't matter since either way he got 3 years of exemption. This will be his third and final year.

I think people fail to see the point here.

The one year deal is in the organizations favor.

Pulkinnen hasn't had a full NHL season yet. Chances of him playing superstar status and putting up a ton of points are low.

He might put up okay numbers. But most likely he won't see the minutes nor put up the numbers that Nyquist did on the top line with Zetterberg or Tatar with Datsyuk.

Ergo when his contract is up next year; the organization can basically get him back for a decent deal if they want.

If he ends up sucking like a lot of posters here predict; we don't need to pay some crazy amount

This is his year to prove it.

I think he will do decent but not good enough to warrant a crazy new contract. He's simply not NHL developed quite yet.

If it was a two year contract I could see him doing much better in the second season of his contract and then asking for a hefty pay. But with a 1 year contract, it doesn't necessarily favor him.

Could go either way. He could have a Jurco-ish season, and not have any leverage to ask for much of a raise, and probably push for another one-year "show me" deal, or he could have a 20g/40p year like Tatar in his first, and ask for $2.5-3M.

Considering we're likely to be in cap trouble next year regardless, I would have rather seen a 2-year deal even at a little higher hit. Best case scenario we get an extra cheap year out of him if he doesn't do well this year, but that's not worth the risk of the extra trouble next summer. Plus I don't really like the idea of "best case" meaning a player doesn't do well.

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I think its funny how folks already say he stinks or is going to stink. He led the entire AHL in points and that is with playing 31 games up here.

Nyquist led the AHL in points as well when he first spent some significant time up in Detroit.

BTW, in Nyquist's 1st 40 games as a Red Wing, 4 goals, 13 points - Pulk's first 34 games, 5 goals, 8 points. Nyquist played with Z a lot in those first 40 games, Pulk played mostly 4th line (or less) minutes. This guy is not as quite of a playmaker as Nyquist, but he is a pure scorer. I predict a 25-30 goal season for Pulk IF he stays 3rd line or higher and sees significant PP time. His shot is unbelievably fast, unlike the Wings have had since Brett Hull. He will most likely get a 2-3 year $3.5M deal after this season, if not more.

Jurco also had 15 goals while playing mostly 4th line minutes. When this guy get back with Sheahan (or even a better center) he too could very well top 25 goals. This is a good thing, but he too will get that $3.5M deal or higher and then things really get sticky with the cap. You know Mrazek is getting at least $5M, Danny D is getting at least Q's $4.75M, Abby with his emergence will most definitely top $3M (he's a UFA, so it may be $4M+) Helm, as well. He has proven that he is at least in the median player salary area, so his modest contract now will be at least $4M next year...this does not add up too well for the cap. You think we are over now? Just wait until next year. IF Franzen, Howard and Ericsson aren't gone this season, they have to go next. There just won't be any cap space to re-sign your players that are your core of the future.

s***, I nearly forgot about Sheahan and the raise he will garner. Maybe won't be as significant as others, but he most certainly will top $2M I would think...

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I think its funny how folks already say he stinks or is going to stink. He led the entire AHL in points and that is with playing 31 games up here.

Nyquist led the AHL in points as well when he first spent some significant time up in Detroit.

BTW, in Nyquist's 1st 40 games as a Red Wing, 4 goals, 13 points - Pulk's first 34 games, 5 goals, 8 points. Nyquist played with Z a lot in those first 40 games, Pulk played mostly 4th line (or less) minutes. This guy is not as quite of a playmaker as Nyquist, but he is a pure scorer. I predict a 25-30 goal season for Pulk IF he stays 3rd line or higher and sees significant PP time. His shot is unbelievably fast, unlike the Wings have had since Brett Hull. He will most likely get a 2-3 year $3.5M deal after this season, if not more.

Jurco also had 15 goals while playing mostly 4th line minutes. When this guy get back with Sheahan (or even a better center) he too could very well top 25 goals. This is a good thing, but he too will get that $3.5M deal or higher and then things really get sticky with the cap. You know Mrazek is getting at least $5M, Danny D is getting at least Q's $4.75M, Abby with his emergence will most definitely top $3M (he's a UFA, so it may be $4M+) Helm, as well. He has proven that he is at least in the median player salary area, so his modest contract now will be at least $4M next year...this does not add up too well for the cap. You think we are over now? Just wait until next year. IF Franzen, Howard and Ericsson aren't gone this season, they have to go next. There just won't be any cap space to re-sign your players that are your core of the future.

s***, I nearly forgot about Sheahan and the raise he will garner. Maybe won't be as significant as others, but he most certainly will top $2M I would think...

Nyquist's first 40 games TOI/PG: 11:68

Pulks first 34 games TOI/PG: 9:28

Meanwhile Zetterberg plays 20 minutes a night.

Pulks has gotten opportunities much like Nyquist

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Ok, so Nyquist played 11:68 (12:08 maybe?) and Pulk 9:28 and Pulk had one more goal and only 5 less points. So that proves that much lilke Nyquist, Pulk started slow getting his feet wet. Why is it not air to believe that he will not break out, much like Nyquist when he plays more like Nyquist got to the last two seasons?

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No, this is his last year of exemption. His first contract was for the 13-14 season. He was 23 or 22, depending on which date it's based off, but it doesn't matter since either way he got 3 years of exemption. This will be his third and final year.

Okay, that's what I had previously, but I was told by a few people that I wrong. I guess they were just basing it on the fact that he has an extra year on his contract. Thanks

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Ok, so Nyquist played 11:68 (12:08 maybe?) and Pulk 9:28 and Pulk had one more goal and only 5 less points. So that proves that much lilke Nyquist, Pulk started slow getting his feet wet. Why is it not air to believe that he will not break out, much like Nyquist when he plays more like Nyquist got to the last two seasons?

Its because Nyquist had a better upside than Pulk when he came into NHL games. He was a playmaker, goal scorer, and his two way game was a bit below average. Not to mention Nyquist is much better in his skating speed.

Pulk below average in all those department except his slap shot. Which imo is one of the best Ive seen in the minors.

These are the reasons why people are skeptical and have the right to be.

Atleast until end of this season.

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Ok, so Nyquist played 11:68 (12:08 maybe?) and Pulk 9:28 and Pulk had one more goal and only 5 less points. So that proves that much lilke Nyquist, Pulk started slow getting his feet wet. Why is it not air to believe that he will not break out, much like Nyquist when he plays more like Nyquist got to the last two seasons?

Because you implied that Nyquist benefited from playing with Zberg, while Pulks toiled on the 4th line. And no, not 12:08 maybe, 11:68 is his average TOI/PG for his first 40 games.

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Because you implied that Nyquist benefited from playing with Zberg, while Pulks toiled on the 4th line. And no, not 12:08 maybe, 11:68 is his average TOI/PG for his first 40 games.

I believe what he was saying is that 11:68 is 12:08, as there are only 60 seconds in a minute.

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Yes....he may not played with him all the time, but Nyquist played a hell of a lot more wth Z than Pulk did(if at all) respectively in their first 30-40 games...and more on the PP. Just saying, Nyquist got better icetime in those 11:68 per game than Pulk did in his 8:88.... :ninja:

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I'm rooting for him obviously, but I just don't see it translating for Pulkkinen. I personally thought the Wings should have sold high on him while he was tearing up the AHL. I think he's very one dimensional and that one dimension can be taken away by bigger, stronger and faster competition in the NHL.

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I'm rooting for him obviously, but I just don't see it translating for Pulkkinen. I personally thought the Wings should have sold high on him while he was tearing up the AHL. I think he's very one dimensional and that one dimension can be taken away by bigger, stronger and faster competition in the NHL.

Yes... Join the haters. We have cake.

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I'm rooting for him obviously, but I just don't see it translating for Pulkkinen. I personally thought the Wings should have sold high on him while he was tearing up the AHL. I think he's very one dimensional and that one dimension can be taken away by bigger, stronger and faster competition in the NHL.

I'm kind of in the same line of thinking as you, out of our glut of winger prospects the last few years, he's the one I have the lowest expectations for just because his skill set seems like it was built for the NHL 15-20 years ago, I'm unsure of how well he's going to be able to perform at the NHL level, but I still really like him a lot, and I'm glad he's getting his chance.

He did actually decent in the defensive end in his limited showings, and he threw a real nice hip check that broke up a transition into our end. He has the ability to be realgud, but he's not a defensive stalwart, he's not fast or big enough to be a checker, so its scoring line or nothing. Which is kind of good, since we roll three scoring lines, I'm just wary of him.

He has put on a good bit of muscle the last few years though, his shoulders are pretty damn built, I just hope his lower body comes along the same way.

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Amen brother, Amen...Heaven forbid someone have an issue with a Red Wings' player...oh the travesty! You may as well go root for the Flyers, or the new Las Vegas Craps...

There is nothing wrong with critiquing a player. Where people get annoyed is when it goes from valid criticism (ie. "I think player X is a poor skater") to just bashing a player for everything and anything they do, or going the immature route.

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I'm rooting for him obviously, but I just don't see it translating for Pulkkinen. I personally thought the Wings should have sold high on him while he was tearing up the AHL. I think he's very one dimensional and that one dimension can be taken away by bigger, stronger and faster competition in the NHL.

I don't think tearing up the AHL carries the kind of trade clout that the people who want to trade him seem to think.

Every negative and every question mark you see in his game, NHL GMs also see. He really isn't any more one-dimensional than Nyquist or Tatar, or dozens of other NHL players, but regardless he is an undersized skill winger, not a great skater, not great defensively, not very physical, excellent offensive upside but not guaranteed, won't stick in the NHL if he can't be at least a decent scorer, and he needs to be on an NHL roster next year, regardless of whether he's capable or not (since pretty much any team would take a chance on him if they could get him for free off waivers).

None of that spells high trade value. Modest value. Considerably below Mantha, even given his lackluster year. We're not going to get a Buffy-level player for him, despite what some people think. (And before anyone says "package", which is just LGW slang for "s*** we don't want anyway"; if Pulkkinen is the biggest piece we still wouldn't get anything all that great.)

Sure, if he completely sucks he could lose what value he does have, but if he's even modestly successful (like 12-15g) his value will go up.

Yup, I hate a player that wears the uniform of my favorite team. That was clearly what I was getting at in my post. God forbid anyone has a dissenting opinion about a player on a discussion board.

He is one of the haters. He was welcoming you, not mocking.

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We're not going to get a Buffy-level player for him, despite what some people think.

I'm assuming "Buffy" = Byfuglien...?

If the Jets do move Byfuglien, it probably won't be for all that much, as he's on an expiring contract and he's going to Get Paid next summer (so, you can trade for him, but don't expect to have a shot at keeping him past 2016 if you're not willing to give him big money and long term. And even if you do offer him big money and long term, there'll be other teams offering just as much as you're offering, if not more.)

This piece, written by a knowledgeable Jets fan for a knowledgeable Jets community [Note: I'm not implying that you folks aren't knowledgeable], suggests a realistic return might be Pulkkinen and a defenseman...

Detroit seems to be an ideal destination for all parties. Detroit is insanely deep with left handed defensemen and could use another righty. This trade makes a ton of sense for both the Jets and Red Wings. For a trade of Dustin Byfuglien to Detroit to go through, the Red Wings would probably offer Teemu Pulkkinen and maybe a defensive prospect like Xavier Ouellet.

Believe it or not, I wouldn't necessarily pull that trigger. While I really, really, really, really, really want to see us swing a trade for Byfuglien, and while it's fashionable to say Pulkkinen isn't going to be an impact player at the NHL level because "zomg he's one-dimensional," moving two of our better young assets for only one guaranteed year (or less) of Byfuglien would not be a total no-brainer.

And, about Pulkkinen: he shoots, he scores. He puts up points. I like points. I like scoring. Every team needs producers, us more than most (especially at even strength, where we're absolutely toothless). Five goals in 30 games projects to about 12 goals over a full season. If we assume he plays good minutes with quality linemates for a full season and that he takes even just the slightest step forward in his development, he's probably good for 15-20 next season (2015-16). 15-20 goals for $735,000 is the kind of bang-for-your-buck you need if you're going to build a serious contender with staying power. If he becomes the power play hammer of death we all know he can be, 25 goals isn't out of the question.

Again, the kid scores. He lives to score. He loves to score. He's gifted. It's not like "Yeah, well, he's not gonna have time to get his shot off, and NHL goalies are the best, so he's not gonna score. He's just so one-dimensional." I love one-dimensional. I want one-dimensional. We have more than enough 200-foot players who can play all four positions at the same time and backcheck in their sleep. Give me a specialist who specializes in something as amusingly trivial as putting the puck in the other team's net. ("When would would we ever have a need for that?") I'm not saying all this as an argument against pursuing Byfuglien. (Byfuglien puts up points. I like points. I especially like defensemen who put up points. I super-especially like defensemen who play against the opposition's best players every night and still manage to put up points.) I'm saying we shouldn't knock Pulkkinen when he's obliterated the AHL and played in fewer than 40 NHL games.

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I'm assuming "Buffy" = Byfuglien...?

If the Jets do move Byfuglien, it probably won't be for all that much, as he's on an expiring contract and he's going to Get Paid next summer (so, you can trade for him, but don't expect to have a shot at keeping him past 2016 if you're not willing to give him big money and long term. And even if you do offer him big money and long term, there'll be other teams offering just as much as you're offering, if not more.)

This piece, written by a knowledgeable Jets fan for a knowledgeable Jets community [Note: I'm not implying that you folks aren't knowledgeable], suggests a realistic return might be Pulkkinen and a defenseman...

Believe it or not, I wouldn't necessarily pull that trigger. While I really, really, really, really, really want to see us swing a trade for Byfuglien, and while it's fashionable to say Pulkkinen isn't going to be an impact player at the NHL level because "zomg he's one-dimensional," moving two of our better young assets for only one guaranteed year (or less) of Byfuglien would not be a total no-brainer....

I could see the price being something like that at the trade deadline, and depending on how Pulk was doing at that time I'd consider it (though I don't think it would work cap-wise). But right now that doesn't seem realistic to me, even if WPG doesn't believe they can bring him back.

That article is valuing Pulkkinen basically the same as Simmonds, Eberle, Eriksson, and Marchand. Probably just a fan of his.

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I don't want to trade Pulkkinen for a rental unless we have a chance of resigning him. Its one thing if come the trade deadline we are a D-man away from being legit cup contenders, but if we're not I don't want to do this trade. Not saying Pulkkinen is going to be a star, but he has an upside and we own his rights for quite a few more years.

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