TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted July 28, 2015 Loved all of our lines. But when Dougie Brown played with Fedorov, he literally turned into a whole diff level of a player. Ahhhh miss those days so much. Even tho it definitely is still great to be a Red Wings fan. Those days were straight up magical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted July 28, 2015 I was a youngin but I hated seeing Doug brown with feds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seraph 240 Report post Posted July 28, 2015 I remember McCarty having some hidden talent that would pop up out of no where in games. I also remember reading he had crazy raw talent and could have been much better had he worked on his game and not been so distracted. I am pretty sure the people who remember McCarty's play would take him over Abby. I would. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted July 28, 2015 I remember McCarty having some hidden talent that would pop up out of no where in games. I also remember reading he had crazy raw talent and could have been much better had he worked on his game and not been so distracted. I am pretty sure the people who remember McCarty's play would take him over Abby. I would. McCarty is easily my favorite grinder of all time. Love Abs but Id take McCarty every time. Honestly the grind line was just plain unreal. Best bottom 6 line of all time. With Kocur or McCarty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted July 28, 2015 Mmmmm pizza and cheddar cheese combos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 29, 2015 Was it that, or was it having worse linemates? I don't remember McCarty getting much top line minutes during the 2000's. By that point, he was playing almost entirely on the grind line. I know the guy scored 50 goals in juniors, but so did Kirk Maltby. Yup, went to grind line and they ended up putting Yzerman and Fedorov together for a good while. Stevie was aging pretty bad by then. Plus we signed guys like Hull and Robataille, no reason McCarty should have stayed on top lines. I was a youngin but I hated seeing Doug brown with feds. Same, but they did wreck for a good few games. McCarty is easily my favorite grinder of all time. Love Abs but Id take McCarty every time. Honestly the grind line was just plain unreal. Best bottom 6 line of all time. With Kocur or McCarty. McCarty was your typical grade A fighter, grinder without being all that big. His upper body strength was just ridiculous..... Plus it always helped having a right handed shooter.. something we haven't seen much of in a while unfortunately. 97, 98 and even 2002 lines had a good balance of right and left shooters, wish we could get s'more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barabbas16 499 Report post Posted July 29, 2015 I was a youngin but I hated seeing Doug brown with feds. I didn't. Brown worked well with Fedorov. That Fedorov/Brown/Kozlov line was money. Brown scored a goal from Fedorov and another from Kozlov in game 4 of the 1998 Finals. I think the goal that won a certain game on 3/26/1997 was Larionov to Shanahan to McCarty ftw.... I think that's why that line stands out in my head from 97. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) I think the reason I liked Bowman more than Babcock and will always think he's superior is because Bowman groomed his Grind line into one that he could put up against the opponents top lines allowing our top lines free to play against lower match ups. Grind line dominated the "Legion of Doom" line (Lindros, LeClair, Renberg)in 97 cup run. Would be awsome if we could pull something like that off in current day hockey. But our bottom 6 grinders consist of the likes of Andersson >.> Edited July 29, 2015 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted July 29, 2015 Yup, went to grind line and they ended up putting Yzerman and Fedorov together for a good while. Stevie was aging pretty bad by then. Plus we signed guys like Hull and Robataille, no reason McCarty should have stayed on top lines. Same, but they did wreck for a good few games. McCarty was your typical grade A fighter, grinder without being all that big. His upper body strength was just ridiculous..... Plus it always helped having a right handed shooter.. something we haven't seen much of in a while unfortunately. 97, 98 and even 2002 lines had a good balance of right and left shooters, wish we could get s'more. True. Half the reason McCarty performed less point wise in the 2000's is because we basically had an all-star team at that point. I still believe the salary cap exists almost solely because of us. 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted July 29, 2015 I think the reason I liked Bowman more than Babcock and will always think he's superior is because Bowman groomed his Grind line into one that he could put up against the opponents top lines allowing our top lines free to play against lower match ups. Grind line dominated the "Legion of Doom" line (Lindros, LeClair, Renberg)in 97 cup run. Would be awsome if we could pull something like that off in current day hockey. But our bottom 6 grinders consist of the likes of Andersson >.> Honest question. If the Grind Line comes out of retirement for one playoff series.............could they shut down our top line of Zetterberg, Nyquist and Abdelkader? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted July 29, 2015 Honest question. If the Grind Line comes out of retirement for one playoff series.............could they shut down our top line of Zetterberg, Nyquist and Abdelkader? Not without their walkers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,520 Report post Posted July 29, 2015 Honest question. If the Grind Line comes out of retirement for one playoff series.............could they shut down our top line of Zetterberg, Nyquist and Abdelkader? Yes. Z, Nyquist, and Abby isn't that great of a line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Honest question. If the Grind Line comes out of retirement for one playoff series.............could they shut down our top line of Zetterberg, Nyquist and Abdelkader? Easily. But if we switch that to Z-PaV-Holmstrom then I'd say not at all.Z and Pav thrived on making a fool of grinders as long as Holmstrom created some space. Plus their combined finisse and hockey IQ would be too much for grind line to handle. I think the euro twins hockey IQ in their prime was one of the best in the league's history and i honestly mean that. Especially given the speed at which the game has heen played the post 2004 lockout era Edited July 29, 2015 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted July 29, 2015 Easily. But if we switch that to Z-PaV-Holmstrom then I'd say not at all. Z and Pav thrived on making a fool of grinders as long as Holmstrom created some space. Plus their combined finisse and hockey IQ would be too much for grind line to handle. I think the euro twins hockey IQ in their prime was one of the best in the league's history and i honestly mean that. Especially given the speed at which the game has heen played the post 2004 lockout era With Homer in front of the net the Twins had so much more room to dominate. They're lethal in man coverage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted August 1, 2015 I know the guy scored 50 goals in juniors, but so did Kirk Maltby. Not to argue your point, but most guys have to score 50 goals in Juniors to make the NHL. Lapointe did the same in the QMJ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) best I can remember, it was something like: 1997 Sandstrom Yzerman McCarty Kozlov Fedorov Brown Shanahan Larionov Lapointe Maltby Draper Kocur Lidstrom Murphy Fetisov Konstantinov Ward Rouse 1998 Holmstrom/Gilchrist Yzerman McCarty Kozlov Fedorov Brown/Holmstrom Shanahan Larionov Lapointe Maltby Draper Kocur/McCarty Lidstrom Murphy Fetisov Eriksson/Mironov Macoun Rouse those were the days.... Edited August 10, 2015 by datterberg1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 What happened to Ward in 98? He was a Red Wing until 2001....injury maybe? I just cannot recall... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmethead 235 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 Bowman hated Ward. He was always in his doghouse. Mironov and Macoun were acquired at the trade deadline. Mironov was benched after he was at fault for a game winning goal in the series versus the Blues, so Macoun took his place and played with Rouse the rest of the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 I thought about that, but then he went on to play 60 games the next season, 34 (due to injury) the next and then 73 his final season with Detroit. Didn't figured that sounded too much like a doghouse player, but with Bowman, stranger things have happened! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmethead 235 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 Others can chime in here but my memory tells me Ward was always in Bowman's doghouse it seemed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 100's of combos lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragonballgtz 273 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 Others can chime in here but my memory tells me Ward was always in Bowman's doghouse it seemed. He was, once playoffs started he never really got to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 I recall 5-55 , 16-2, and 3-27 in 97 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Ward once said that he thought his name was F--kward for awhile because Bowman always said things like F Ward, are you stupid? Edited August 11, 2015 by DickieDunn 1 Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted August 11, 2015 This whole thread is awesome. Gonna break out the championship DVD's soon and watch em again for the nostalgia. I still get goosebumps when D-Mac makes swiss cheese out of Janne Ninama (f the spelling) Also, crazy to anyone else that Tomas Sandstrom of all guys was traded here and got to ride shotgun with Yzerman on route to a cup run? Played great for the Kings when they lost to MTL in 93, but doesn't score a goal in 20 games with us (assisted on the cup winner though, funnily enough). Crazy. 1 T.Low reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites