Helmethead 235 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 I recall Dallas being high on Jack Campbell but it seems he just never panned out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 How could he in Dallas? That team doesn't play defense don't you remember our 7-6 overtime win lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 Mrazek needs time to grow in the NHL and become more consistent, plain and simple. Howard needs to get back in his groove Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmethead 235 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 That was quite the game. No defense or goaltending by either side. Lol 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sleepwalker 512 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) It would be beyond retarded to move Jimmy before we have a solid and reliable backup for Mrazek. Not to mention that Jimmy is still better than Mrazek, so I don't understand why you'd want to move him other than to dump his salary. Edited August 30, 2015 by sleepwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmethead 235 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 Jimmy is still better than Mrazek. Lol yeah sure he is. 1 roboturner reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 Mrazek needs time to grow in the NHL and become more consistent, plain and simple. Howard needs to get back in his groove This is clear to most people, except a few hardcore Mrazek supporters. I mean it's the same story every year, a rookie comes in does (mostly) well and then people are expecting him to replace the current number 1 goalie and become the next elite one...when in fact more often than not the holy backup falls back to earth and ends up bouncing around between teams and in most cases never establishing himself as a proven number 1. Mrazek isn't ready for the #1 job and still needs time to round out his game in the AHL because sooner rather than later his over-aggressive style will get exposed by more than just a few teams. That being said Jimmy needs to get back into his pre-injury form that's for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmethead 235 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 Round out his game in the AHL? You just don't get it do you? Guy, it's not 2012 anymore. Mrazek would need to clear waivers to be sent to the AHL. Is this what you are suggesting? 2 roboturner and PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 This is clear to most people, except a few hardcore Mrazek supporters. I mean it's the same story every year, a rookie comes in does (mostly) well and then people are expecting him to replace the current number 1 goalie and become the next elite one...when in fact more often than not the holy backup falls back to earth and ends up bouncing around between teams and in most cases never establishing himself as a proven number 1. Mrazek isn't ready for the #1 job and still needs time to round out his game in the AHL because sooner rather than later his over-aggressive style will get exposed by more than just a few teams. That being said Jimmy needs to get back into his pre-injury form that's for sure. Most of those goalies you are referring to play for powerhouse teams(Rantaa, Jones, Dubnyk, Talbot), with decent to amazing defenseman you barely see them carry a team with s***ty defenseman like Mrazek did a few times last season, he doesn't need to be in the ahl he dominated in GR, he needs to round out his game in the nhl because there is nothing left for him in GR, too me he's like Carey Price(not talking about play style) if he reaches his full potential he'll be able to carry us much like Carey carries Montreal it's going to take time but I guarantee you he will be a number one goalie in this league as long as he doesn't do anything stupid, Jimmy Howard is more like a Corey Crawford he doesn't have the team in front of him to win tho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 This is clear to most people, except a few hardcore Mrazek supporters. I mean it's the same story every year, a rookie comes in does (mostly) well and then people are expecting him to replace the current number 1 goalie and become the next elite one...when in fact more often than not the holy backup falls back to earth and ends up bouncing around between teams and in most cases never establishing himself as a proven number 1. Mrazek isn't ready for the #1 job and still needs time to round out his game in the AHL because sooner rather than later his over-aggressive style will get exposed by more than just a few teams. That being said Jimmy needs to get back into his pre-injury form that's for sure. You've said this a few times, but I guess you haven't read people's responses. He's been there for his 3 years. It's not a possibility for him to play there. We'd have to send through waivers and there's 0% chance he'd make it through. Furthermore, playing more in the AHL wouldn't help his game - he needs to just get used to the higher skill level/faster pace etc... Somebody else mentioned Carey Price - we all saw him struggle for years. Few, if any, goalies enter the league as all stars - they go through some growing pains. 4 chaps80, krsmith17, roboturner and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 Jimmy is still better than Mrazek. Lol yeah sure he is. I think Mrazek has a higher ceiling no doubt, but right now I would take Howard too. People seem to forget how consistent Howard has been since becoming the starter. He's not a superstar, but he is still a very good goalie. 2 PavelValerievichDatsyuk and puckloo39 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmethead 235 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) I recall Howard falling apart last season and Mrazek winning games. I recall an all world performance in game 1 versus Tampa in which the Wings had no business winning. Howard is an average goalie. He is what he is. We have a stud franchise goalie in Mrazek and he needs to continue his progression. I'm confident Blash will allow him to do this. If it were up to most on this board, Mrazek would hardly play. I'm fine with Jimmy still being a Red Wing. But Mrazek is better right now. He will keep getting better the more he plays. Look Mrazek is Secretariat. Let him loose and he will win us games. If the plan is to stifle him then we might as well trade him. What has Jimmy done to deserve being the #1 goalie? It's not like he's Carey Price or Pekka Rinne. He isJimmy Howard. He has had a mediocre career. Hey, if Jimmy comes in and lights it up and outplays Mrazek, then he should play more. Where is there any evidence of this? I haven't seen it. Mrazek is a star in the making here. Embrace it . Don't stifle it. What if Bowman had stifled a young Pavel Datsyuk? If a young player earns the right to play then he should play. Period. Edited August 30, 2015 by Helmethead 2 roboturner and chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 You've said this a few times, but I guess you haven't read people's responses. He's been there for his 3 years. It's not a possibility for him to play there. We'd have to send through waivers and there's 0% chance he'd make it through. Furthermore, playing more in the AHL wouldn't help his game - he needs to just get used to the higher skill level/faster pace etc... Somebody else mentioned Carey Price - we all saw him struggle for years. Few, if any, goalies enter the league as all stars - they go through some growing pains. Well if that isn't an option then develop him as a backup and see where it goes. He is not ready to be a number 1. Can't believe people are comparing him to Carey Price he will never ever be as good as the elite ones and especially not as good as the best goalie in the world right now. I mean the season Price had was unreal, this guy played so well he got an inept offense and questionable at best defense into the playoffs. Goalies are the hardest players to predict according to some scouts so why not take it slowly and see where it goes but one thing is for sure if he doesn't work on his over-aggressive style he will have trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 Well if that isn't an option then develop him as a backup and see where it goes. He is not ready to be a number 1. Can't believe people are comparing him to Carey Price he will never ever be as good as the elite ones and especially not as good as the best goalie in the world right now. I mean the season Price had was unreal, this guy played so well he got an inept offense and questionable at best defense into the playoffs. Goalies are the hardest players to predict according to some scouts so why not take it slowly and see where it goes but one thing is for sure if he doesn't work on his over-aggressive style he will have trouble. One person said they thought his potential was to steal games like Price. I used Price to show that even the best goalies go through growing pains. I was not comparing the 2. I think Mrazek has already reigned in his game somewhat. I think his aggressive, confident approach is a strength. I think he's in the process of understanding his angles and recovery time at the NHL level. 2 MrazekFanBoy and roboturner reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 Well if that isn't an option then develop him as a backup and see where it goes. He is not ready to be a number 1. Can't believe people are comparing him to Carey Price he will never ever be as good as the elite ones and especially not as good as the best goalie in the world right now. I mean the season Price had was unreal, this guy played so well he got an inept offense and questionable at best defense into the playoffs. Goalies are the hardest players to predict according to some scouts so why not take it slowly and see where it goes but one thing is for sure if he doesn't work on his over-aggressive style he will have trouble. Do you not watch the wings games, I can recall a few games from 14-15 where he carried the wings, How is it that he'll never be a number one goalie or elite? Can you see into the future? I can also recall many times where his aggressive style stopped great high percentage chances, I'm convinced you very rarely watch the wings or at least the games Mrazek has played, I also remember when Carey Price was getting lit up and allowing an insane amount of goals in his first few seasons just like Petr just like any rookie goalie. 3 Helmethead, roboturner and chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmethead 235 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 I can recall when many Habs fans were angry they let Jaroslav Halak go and kept Carey Price. It was the right move. They knew his talent and potential. It paid off big time. The same will happen with Mrazek. Blash and Holland know what they have. At the very least, he will be given a fair chance to prove it. 2 roboturner and chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted August 30, 2015 Do you not watch the wings games, I can recall a few games from 14-15 where he carried the wings, How is it that he'll never be a number one goalie or elite? Can you see into the future? I can also recall many times where his aggressive style stopped great high percentage chances, I'm convinced you very rarely watch the wings or at least the games Mrazek has played, I also remember when Carey Price was getting lit up and allowing an insane amount of goals in his first few seasons just like Petr just like any rookie goalie. I wonder who doesn't watch Wings games, the one who carried the Wings till he got hurt was Jimmy Howard. Maybe he came back too early maybe not but till the injury he played very well. But oh course your boy Mrazek didn't play in these games so you aren't mentioning it. No, I can not see into the future but I know who super rare goalies such as King Henrik, Price, Quick ...and the other elite ones are so expecting someone to even come close to that standard is looking for a disappointment. If he turns out to be a solid starter people should be more than happy with that. You just can't accept the fact that your favorite player isn't without his flaws and will have to work hard on them, while Jimmy on the other hand already has proven that he is a solid number 1 goalie (mind you not an elite one). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted August 31, 2015 He did not Carry us lol he was good just like the rest of the team for the first half lol, he couldn't even win a shootout.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted August 31, 2015 He did not Carry us lol he was good just like the rest of the team for the first half lol, he couldn't even win a shootout.. No, Howard was very good. He wasn't helped by the fact none of his shooters could score in the shootout either. His numbers before the injury in January were some of the best in his career. Besides, I like how Mrazek plays with the same team/defense and magically "steals games", but Howard just gets bailed out by the team when he's good. All about what you want to see, I suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted August 31, 2015 Silly talk. Nevermind the fact the hundreds of goalies have been great for short spells only to flame out. But 2 is still better than 1. The first haf of last year-untill the AS break Howard the All Star had better numbers than Mrazek had for the season. Then the injury happens and now everyone wants to move Howard. ya that would be smart. How many G's get hurt every year? Like Howard just did. How many years has Gus been hurt as a G? Now if Mrazek beats him out and plays great and we have another G ready to step up as the backup, then maybe next summer we move him. But that is a bunch of if's. To many to rick right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted August 31, 2015 No, Howard was very good. He wasn't helped by the fact none of his shooters could score in the shootout either. His numbers before the injury in January were some of the best in his career. No argument Howard was having an all-star calibre season before he was injured, but when he returned he was horrible. I did'nt see Lundqvist fall apart when he returned from a long injury. Howard just could'nt get it back together, even after being given many chances to do so. That's not what you expect out of your veteran number 1 $5 million per season goalie. 2 marcaractac and roboturner reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted August 31, 2015 I said he was good like the rest of the team, I never said he was being bailed out by the team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted August 31, 2015 And I'm not suggesting that we should trade Howard this season I'm just wondering how Frank knows he'll never be a starting goalie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted August 31, 2015 Hard to beat a goalie flame war 2 MrazekFanBoy and BottleOfSmoke reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmethead 235 Report post Posted August 31, 2015 He's Frankstradamus. 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
