jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Howard has been very impressive so far, like he always is before he gets hurt. I like that they're both playing well, but I think the fact that they're alternating games might be a one cause for our problems. Not that the rest of the team is playing all unanimously playing well, because theyre not, but they have very different styles when it comes to net front plays, rebound control, playing the puck, the difference is enough that I could see it affecting the players in front of them. Like its not allowing them to settle into a groove. Playing with a different goalie once in a while is different, you can make small changes and then goalie also adjusts a bit and it bridges the gap. Having to adapt to two goalies like they're both the starter isnt the easiest thing to do, as the breakout starts with Petr mor often than not, and Howie just helps it along if he can. I'd like for them to stick with one guy, but they're both playing super well, so what can ya do? We had a deaf goalie when I was younger, and he was super confident with the puck, he would take a shot from his crease. And if their was a delayed penalty wed all bang our sticks on the ice so he knew to get to the bench, but we all still did it when our other goalie was in. I mean, weird example, but same idea. Edited October 30, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted October 30, 2015 ...but where does he go? I mean, really? Who wants his 5.292 cap hit? Toronto? 1 e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted October 30, 2015 Howard has been very impressive so far, like he always is before he gets hurt. I like that they're both playing well, but I think the fact that they're alternating games might be a one cause for our problems. Not that the rest of the team is playing all unanimously playing well, because theyre not, but they have very different styles when it comes to net front plays, rebound control, playing the puck, the difference is enough that I could see it affecting the players in front of them. Like its not allowing them to settle into a groove. Playing with a different goalie once in a while is different, you can make small changes and then goalie also adjusts a bit and it bridges the gap. Having to adapt to two goalies like they're both the starter isnt the easiest thing to do, as the breakout starts with Petr mor often than not, and Howie just helps it along if he can. I'd like for them to stick with one guy, but they're both playing super well, so what can ya do? We had a deaf goalie when I was younger, and he was super confident with the puck, he would take a shot from his crease. And if their was a delayed penalty wed all bang our sticks on the ice so he knew to get to the bench, but we all still did it when our other goalie was in. I mean, weird example, but same idea. Makes sense, and I think it's another reason they'll gradually move towards starting Mrazek more. You can't just go all in on him while Howard's still here, especially when he's playing well. This may be a for better or for worse situation for awhile though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted October 31, 2015 The goalie doesn't make them cough up the puck entering the offensive zone, mishandle passes, ignore their linemates, or cause a big guy to play like he's 5'6" 135 pounds. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted October 31, 2015 The goalie doesn't make them cough up the puck entering the offensive zone, mishandle passes, ignore their linemates, or cause a big guy to play like he's 5'6" 135 pounds. If you're used to setting up in a breakout initiated by your goalie, the patterns are completely different then having to sweep down low to support the passes out from behind the net. Its not the hardest thing in the world to look back and see if the defenseman are coming up the walls, waiting in the corners, or setting up from behind the net but imagine nothing is going your way, you're constantly being moved to a new position with different linemates and different responsibilities, and every other game the whole transitioning system is completely different depending on the goalie that's in net. Now remember that the schedule is set up to where you're not playing for 3 days in a row, then there's two games back to back, and the designed plays for transitioning are generally different then it was the night before. You can't get into a groove like that, at least I couldn't. Yeah, I can look and figure it out quickly enough, but you shouldn't have to think about those things. Its hard to stick with one goalie when you're constantly playing back to back, followed by a fairly long break. Rhythm of these things matter, a lot. Were just kind of stuck in a bad way right now, because we can't just change the schedule. Its the only reason I'm not really worried, I'm just kind of waiting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 11, 2015 Battle Over. Mrazek emerges victorious. AGAIN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted November 11, 2015 Battle Over. Mrazek emerges victorious. AGAIN. Keep an OPEN MIND there bud Season still going. Remember what happened to Jimmy after his injury last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 11, 2015 Keep an OPEN MIND there bud Season still going. Remember what happened to Jimmy after his injury last year. Yah, Mrazek has a way to go before being the guy to 100% of the people. That's true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted November 11, 2015 Why would you want to start an argument over two goalies that are both playing as good as anybody could have hoped for. Least of our problems 1 rick zombo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 11, 2015 Why would you want to start an argument over two goalies that are both playing as good as anybody could have hoped for. Least of our problems Its a good thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted November 11, 2015 both our goalies are top 10 in the league in save% for goalies who have started in at least 5 games. Pretty awesome stuff 2 TheXym and NerveDamage reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 11, 2015 both our goalies are top 10 in the league in save% for goalies who have started in at least 5 games. Pretty awesome stuff That is awesome, and hopefully sustainable. Because with this team's terrible possession numbers and shot differential, the goalies' play is obviously covering up that stench a bit. If the team can straighten this out and continue to get great goaltending they might be dangerous. 1 gcom007 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted November 11, 2015 1 vote for Petr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted November 11, 2015 It's a damn good thinig to have both goalies doing so well. Petr is proving each time he plays that he will take the reigns of this team sooner rather than later. (I only hope its AFTER he re-signs a lower contract! ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted November 12, 2015 Put Mrazek in against the Sharks since we always suck against them. Worked against the Caps. Weren't we like 1-7 against them previously? 1 rick zombo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roboturner 562 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 Not to crush opinions with facts, but as of today through the games played Jimmy has a better GAA and a better save %. That would be outplaying Mrazek. Neither is our problem atm. In fact G is the one position we can count on every game so far. The 2 of them have more than done their job. Both have had games were they alone keep us in the game. Not to crush your old stats with newer stats, but.... Mrazek (Time on Ice - 549:54) : GAA - 2.18 SV% - .935 Howard (Time on Ice - 524:33) : GAA - 2.29 SV% - .918 But yes they are not the problem with this team. It's nice to have two goalies who give us a chance to win no matter who starts. And it's good that they are pushing each other to be better P.S. This thread has been open for 47 days I bet you're all surprised I hadn't posted in it til today! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Mrazek has great stats! Those are Vezina stats right there! Damn, he's gonna cost us a mint! Hope they can get a backup come July then, because with our cap being so tight, and they overpaid contracts Holland hands out (see: abby) two goalies at $5M each will be a nightmare! If Jimmy continues to have those solid stats, he could fetch us a nice asset in a trade bundle! Edited November 17, 2015 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 Mrazek has great stats! Those are Vezina stats right there! Damn, he's gonna cost us a mint! Hope they can get a backup come July then, because with our cap being so tight, and they overpaid contracts Holland hands out (see: abby) two goalies at $5M each will be a nightmare! If Jimmy continues to have those solid stats, he could fetch us a nice asset in a trade bundle! Mrazek will get a bridge deal like all the young Wings do. Remember when Zetterberg won the Conn Smythe and only made 2.5M? That was his bridge deal. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) I hope so! That would help out tremendously! Especially if Holland wants to make a splash UFA by going after someone like Byfuglien. Not saying he is even interested in him, but I am sure if he hits the market, Kenny will....ugh, kick the tires on him. If he does, he will need all the cap space he can muster! Of course if Franzen is done and Q leaves, add to that Abby's money (Q's salary) he has a nice starting point with some cap relief. Take away Franzen' $3.9M and Q's $4.75, then add the extra $2.25 to Abby's salary Holland is ahead of the game by $6.4M before anyone else is signed. That is, IF Franzen calls it...Strange we haven't heard anything on him, and yet he still isn't showing LTIR. Edited November 17, 2015 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 It's nice having Mrazek here, as a little competition, to push our #1 goalie to be better than he already is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 I'd say he is shoving him...the other way! I like the duo now, but next year and beyond, we'll need a cheaper b/u for Mrazek. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 It's nice having Mrazek here, as a little competition, to push our #1 goalie to be better than he already is. I'd say he is shoving him...the other way! I like the duo now, but next year and beyond, we'll need a cheaper b/u for Mrazek. LOL The unstopable force and the unmovable object. 2 Detroit \# 1 Fan and number9 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 Been in the Mrazek camp for a couple of years now. Guy has great athleticism and think he is a very good goalie. The only problem with having a good goaltender is that it seems to hurt a lot of teams wrt cap and don't think GMs have done a very good job in terms of properly valuing goaltenders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 Not to crush your old stats with newer stats, but.... Mrazek (Time on Ice - 549:54) : GAA - 2.18 SV% - .935 Howard (Time on Ice - 524:33) : GAA - 2.29 SV% - .918 But yes they are not the problem with this team. It's nice to have two goalies who give us a chance to win no matter who starts. And it's good that they are pushing each other to be better P.S. This thread has been open for 47 days I bet you're all surprised I hadn't posted in it til today! This doesn't bother me in any way shape or form. I love the fact that we have 2 very good goalies. having great depth is a good thing, not a negative. I have never understand why so many seem to be one or the other. That is like picking between Z and datsyuk. silliness..... 2 TheXym and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) I said this in the other thread. It would be nicer if Howard is the one that outplays Mrazek and "edges" him out for this season. Mrazek will be re-signed in 2016 - it's a guarantee. If he becomes the defacto starter NOW, you better bet his agent will be asking for a hefty raise. Edited November 17, 2015 by kickazz 1 number9 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
