Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted November 25, 2015 Hehe - yep you know better roboturner. He was pulled because of a bad goal which probably was the dumbest coach move of international hockey. After that, all that could happen did, resulting in a win for the Lake Placid US 1980 team consisting of college kids. Including Craig of course, the goalie, a nice one at that. If Tretiak would've stayed in goal I bet things would have gone as usual - i.e. the Russian machine winning. But I love the upset, one of the biggest (could it be The biggest?) in sports history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 25, 2015 Wait, dont we have a goalie coach? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted December 4, 2015 Stamkos for Mrazwk. I'm in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted December 6, 2015 I like how both goalies are playing the same amount of time so far. There's no need to change that. 2 NitzGuy and DRW Dominance reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings_fanatic 677 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 I like how both goalies are playing the same amount of time so far. There's no need to change that. I think it's becoming obvious that blashill prefers playing mrazek over Howard. Mrazek has gotten 2 starts in a row wherwas Howard does not. Mrazek just looks more confident out there in front of the team. Even last night mrazek had an average night for his standards but still made the big saves when it mattered (especially in OT). Point is as the year goes on I think mrazek is slowly going to start getting more starts. 2 DRW Dominance and shorthanded reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 I feel like Mrazek has slowed down as of late but I'm still more confident in getting a win when hes in net. He seems to do enough in order to win. Jimmy is almost the opposite, does just enough to lose....no matter how well he plays 1 shorthanded reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 I still wouldn't mind entertaining a trade of Howard for a big piece of what we need to take us to the next level. Of course the problem being who backsup Mrazek? Do I think Mrazek could handle the load of the majority of the games? Sure, but theres the injury thing just in case something happens. But we need to clear out some bodies to make room for better options and if it means trading a player of Howard's stature, so be it. We need D help and we need to trim fat for promotions next season as well.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) Goalies just don't have great trade value unless you're a top ten guy. Especially with his salary in the cap-world. Won't return anything close to a big piece. Eddie Lack to Carolina for third and seventh-rounders Cam Talbot to Edmonton for second, third-rounders Antti Raanta to New York for Ryan Haggerty Martin Jones to San Jose for Sean Kuraly, first-rounder Devan Dubnyk to Nashville for Matt Hendricks Cory Schneider for the ninth overall pick (Bo Horvat) Jonathan Bernier for Ben Scrivens, Matt Frattin, second-rounder Ben Bishop for Cory Conacher, fourth-rounder Steve Mason for Michael Leighton, third-rounder Sergei Bobrovsky for second-rounder, two fourth-rounders Anders Lindback (and Kyle Wilson) for two second-rounders, one third-rounder and Sebastien Caron Tomas Vokoun for a seventh-rounder Semyon Varlamov for first-rounder (Filip Forsberg) and second-rounder Brian Elliott for Craig Anderson Dwayne Roloson for Ty Wishart Jaroslav Halak for Lars Eller and Ian Schultz Kari Lehtonen for Ivan Vishnevskiy and fourth-rounder Edited December 7, 2015 by Son of a Wing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) Jimmy Howard, Darren Helm, Tomas Jurco, Ryan Sproul for Byfuglien. Done. Edited December 7, 2015 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) Goalies just don't have great trade value unless you're a top ten guy. Especially with his salary in the cap-world. Won't return anything close to a big piece. Eddie Lack to Carolina for third and seventh-rounders Cam Talbot to Edmonton for second, third-rounders Antti Raanta to New York for Ryan Haggerty Martin Jones to San Jose for Sean Kuraly, first-rounder Devan Dubnyk to Nashville for Matt Hendricks Cory Schneider for the ninth overall pick (Bo Horvat) Jonathan Bernier for Ben Scrivens, Matt Frattin, second-rounder Ben Bishop for Cory Conacher, fourth-rounder Steve Mason for Michael Leighton, third-rounder Sergei Bobrovsky for second-rounder, two fourth-rounders Anders Lindback (and Kyle Wilson) for two second-rounders, one third-rounder and Sebastien Caron Tomas Vokoun for a seventh-rounder Semyon Varlamov for first-rounder (Filip Forsberg) and second-rounder Brian Elliott for Craig Anderson Dwayne Roloson for Ty Wishart Jaroslav Halak for Lars Eller and Ian Schultz Kari Lehtonen for Ivan Vishnevskiy and fourth-rounder I'd say that Varlamov and Schneider trades were pretty good return. 9th or 11th pick would almost guarantee a young impact player. We could even possibly trade up using our other 1st rounder. Varly was especially good return - 9th pick plus a 2nd rounder (Schneider should have demanded another pick or player as well). I would take that for Howie if we could find a solid backup. I just don't think it's time yet. Mrazek's being eased into the starting position and we won't have to worry about managing them under the cap for a few years. We are gambling a bit with the fact that Howie might decline and lose value. I don't think it's an essential trade anyway, though. I think he could play out the contract as our backup in the final years and we wouldn't have to worry about goaltending for a long time. Howie's salary is a bit of an issue with the idea of trading. Howard's 5.2 is 17th for goalies - anyone trading for him would be taking him as a starter ,though, and that's low amongst starters (since half the league has a more expensive goalie). Edited December 7, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 The difference is Varlamov was a 23yr old RFA and Schneider was a 26yr old on a good contract. Howard is 31 and has a big contract. Those guys had their best years ahead of them. We've probably seen the best Howard has to offer. He's just not the same value as those guys. Especially in a cap system. I could see a late 1st or a couple 2nd rounders for Howard at most. Plus we'd probably have to either take salary back or retain some. It could be an expiring UFAs salary, but there's no way we're dumping that 5mil with nothing coming back. Regardless it's an offseason deal if it happens at all. 2 WingsallTheway and PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 I still wouldn't mind entertaining a trade of Howard for a big piece of what we need to take us to the next level. Of course the problem being who backsup Mrazek? Do I think Mrazek could handle the load of the majority of the games? Sure, but theres the injury thing just in case something happens. But we need to clear out some bodies to make room for better options and if it means trading a player of Howard's stature, so be it. We need D help and we need to trim fat for promotions next season as well.... Mcollum has actually been great. I wouldnt be totally opposed to giving him that shot right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 LW, holy f***ing overpayment... Winnipeg would take that deal in a heartbeat, and Holland would be crucified if he made it... McCollum has been decent. Nothing close to great. Coreau has actually been the better goalie of the two for over a year in my opinion. By far better so far this season... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) LW, holy f***ing overpayment... Winnipeg would take that deal in a heartbeat, and Holland would be crucified if he made it... McCollum has been decent. Nothing close to great. Coreau has actually been the better goalie of the two for over a year in my opinion. By far better so far this season... I wouldn't say its actually that much of an overpayment, as long as we get a D/G prospect or pick added. Helm = UFA and already packed his bags to Winnipeg Jurco = Likely on his way out and not as valuable as many think Sproul = Likely bust but still has some potential. One of those Dmen have to be traded anyway. Howard = Howard. As someone already mentioned goalies don't have a ton of trade value. I'd to this trade as long as Buf is guaranteed to re-sign. Instant contender. If he signed elsewhere afterwards then yeah its a bad deal. As for the Mcollum/Coreau argument, I'm indifferent. Both are career backups at best so I'd be okay with either getting a fair chance. If not, backup goalies are as easy to come by as 4th line grinders Edited December 7, 2015 by WingsallTheway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 That is huge overpayment and I guarantee Byfuglien on an expiring contract doesn't go for anything close to that. Care to give me the link that says that Helm already has his bag packed for Winnipeg?... So many are so quick to trade Jurco, but he is worth waaaay more to us than he is in any trade package. Sproul is far from being labeled a bust. The kid still has a ton of potential, and again is worth waaaay more to us than he would be in any trade package. Howard may not have a ton of trade value but he does have trade value, and to trade him away in a package that big for one player on an expiring contract would be asinine... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 The difference is Varlamov was a 23yr old RFA and Schneider was a 26yr old on a good contract. Howard is 31 and has a big contract. Those guys had their best years ahead of them. We've probably seen the best Howard has to offer. He's just not the same value as those guys. Especially in a cap system. I could see a late 1st or a couple 2nd rounders for Howard at most. Plus we'd probably have to either take salary back or retain some. It could be an expiring UFAs salary, but there's no way we're dumping that 5mil with nothing coming back. Regardless it's an offseason deal if it happens at all. I agree with this. I was more responding to the goalies don't have value unless their top 10 part of you're previous post. Varlamov and Schneider were mostly potential (though Schneider was somewhat proven at trade time since he had done some playoff in place of Lou), but certainly not top 10. The only other little point that I'll quibble with is that Howard is on the descent. I feel that this year and the beginning of last year are the some of the best hockey he's played. Think that Pekka Rinne is 33, Lundquist is 33, Craig Andersson is 34. I don't think a goalie's prime is over at 31. He has a couple years left before the drop off is really felt. But, yeah, no big player coming back for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted December 7, 2015 That is huge overpayment and I guarantee Byfuglien on an expiring contract doesn't go for anything close to that. Care to give me the link that says that Helm already has his bag packed for Winnipeg?... So many are so quick to trade Jurco, but he is worth waaaay more to us than he is in any trade package. Sproul is far from being labeled a bust. The kid still has a ton of potential, and again is worth waaaay more to us than he would be in any trade package. Howard may not have a ton of trade value but he does have trade value, and to trade him away in a package that big for one player on an expiring contract would be asinine... Helm has been lackluster all season and barely even plays with an edge anymore. We can't afford to re-sign him to a new contract and me saying he'll return home is pure speculation. No link required unless you want one to a site such as cap geek. How is Jurco worth waaaay more to us here than he is in a trade package? He can't even crack the lineup for a coach who has already coached him for multiple seasons. Or is it those sweet youtube videos? If we aren't sold on trading sproul, replace with oulette,marchenko, or jensen because one of them is hitting up the waiver wire next season. To retouch my point, It may be slight over payment but it 100% isnt worthy of holy f***ing overpayment. IF terms were BUF re-signing prior to the trade, its a good deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted December 8, 2015 Helm was coming off an injury and was off to a slow start out of the gate. I think he has looked great the past few games though. His timing is still a little off and he'll never have hands but for a bottom 6 energy guy, there aren't much better in my opinion. If he's all but guaranteed to go to Winnipeg, why would they want him in a trade package? And what does CapGeek have to do with anything? We have plenty cap space to re-sign Helm if we want him back. You ask how Jurco is worth more to us than in any trade package and then follow it up by answering your own question... He's worth more to us because he has a ton of untapped potential but still hasn't been able to crack our lineup... And f*** right off with that YouTube bulls***. If you think that's where his value lies, we have bigger issues. What does replacing Sproul with any of our other top defense prospects do? It's still massive overpayment, even if you remove the d prospect all together... It is massive over payment in my opinion. So I'll say it again... Holy F***ing Over Payment!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted December 8, 2015 i think the way blash is using them is right. if theres a game i want to win im putting in petr it keeps howie competitive. he got his pay day and he either lost confidence or lost care but now hes got that back. ive always liked detroit cause how they usually split the games the goalies played. this was because they didnt rely on a goalie to win them a game. their defense did. now a days its different but both howie and petr are capable of winning or stealing games i would not be upset if we lost howie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453 Report post Posted December 8, 2015 Right not we've got two goalies I'm extremely confident in, can't be happier with the situation. Neither are going to be perfect or great all the time, but hopefully they alternate their slumps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NerveDamage 4,176 Report post Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Wings try a new radical strategy. Giving the term goalie tandem a whole new meaning Edited December 16, 2015 by NerveDamage 1 amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mckinley25 677 Report post Posted December 16, 2015 Wings try a new radical strategy. CWX6kQnVAAASqsi.jpg Giving the term goalie tandem a whole new meaning I think you can do that if you only ice four skaters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted December 17, 2015 That would be hilarious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted December 17, 2015 Wings try a new radical strategy. CWX6kQnVAAASqsi.jpg Giving the term goalie tandem a whole new meaning Mraz: "Okay, Jimmy I'll take care of handling the puck. It's your job to face wash Crosby whenever he's around..." 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted December 17, 2015 Wings try a new radical strategy. CWX6kQnVAAASqsi.jpg Giving the term goalie tandem a whole new meaning I like it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
