krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 number9, I don't get what their age has to do with it, if anything that argument should go in Jensen's favor. He's been with the organization for 2 years longer than Ouellet and still hasn't gotten a single game in the NHL, despite consistently outplaying him. Jensen looked much better in camp a year ago, was the last defense prospect to get sent down, and out-produced Ouellet in the AHL, but yet Xavier gets rewarded with 21 games in the NHL. He again looked better in camp this year, and he gets sent down and once again Xavier gets rewarded. Because he's a couple years younger? Since when is that a good thing for the Red Wings?... Jensen is a far superior skater, with and without the puck, his transition game is by far the best of all our prospects in my opinion. He can skate the puck out of danger, or he can make a quick tape to tape outlet pass under pressure. Last season Ouellet had 16 points (1 goal, 15 assists, 0.308 P/G) and an even +/- rating in 52 games with the Griffins and 3 points (2 goals, 1 assist) and a +4 in 21 games with the Wings. Jensen had 27 points (6 goals, 21 assists, 0.360 P/G) and was a league leading +30 in 75 games with the Griffins and I'd be willing to bet that if given the opportunity he would produce well more than 3 points in 21 games with the Red Wings... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 3m3 minutes ago Helm and Marchenko (groin) skating in gray non-contact jerseys today. Kindl (eye infection) skating and appears to be fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 29s29 seconds ago Quincey skating with Green. Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 1m1 minute ago Larkin skating with Zetterberg and Abdelkader. Richards is not there because he is in Chicago getting his SC ring Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 36s36 seconds ago Helm left the ice before drills started. Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 46s46 seconds ago With Richards not practicing I don't know if I'd read too much into the lines today. Sheahan skating with Franzen and Jurco. No surprise on the D Pairings: Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 1m1 minute ago Defense: Kronwall-Ericsson Quincey-Green Smith-Kindl Ouellet-Marchenko Also, it looks like Jimmy will get the opening night start, which should be no surprise Edited October 5, 2015 by HockeytownRules19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 1m1 minute ago Glendening skating with Tatar and Nyquist, so there's no point reading into the lines. Andersson with Miller and Ferraro/Cleary. Oh my god Luke on the top line lol... Fire Blashill ha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 Richards getting his SC ring is the source of all my Twitter-related issues today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 The way I'm reading this is that the lines will look something like.... Z-Larkin-Abby Tatar-Richards-nyquist Franzen-Sheehan-junco/pulk Miller-Glenn's-Ferraro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) number9, I don't get what their age has to do with it, if anything that argument should go in Jensen's favor. He's been with the organization for 2 years longer than Ouellet and still hasn't gotten a single game in the NHL, despite consistently outplaying him. Jensen looked much better in camp a year ago, was the last defense prospect to get sent down, and out-produced Ouellet in the AHL, but yet Xavier gets rewarded with 21 games in the NHL. He again looked better in camp this year, and he gets sent down and once again Xavier gets rewarded. Because he's a couple years younger? Since when is that a good thing for the Red Wings?... Jensen is a far superior skater, with and without the puck, his transition game is by far the best of all our prospects in my opinion. He can skate the puck out of danger, or he can make a quick tape to tape outlet pass under pressure. Last season Ouellet had 16 points (1 goal, 15 assists, 0.308 P/G) and an even +/- rating in 52 games with the Griffins and 3 points (2 goals, 1 assist) and a +4 in 21 games with the Wings. Jensen had 27 points (6 goals, 21 assists, 0.360 P/G) and was a league leading +30 in 75 games with the Griffins and I'd be willing to bet that if given the opportunity he would produce well more than 3 points in 21 games with the Red Wings... Age is my best guess. What I think that indicates is that Ouellet has more room to grow, whereas this might be nearing the peak of Jensens game. And that's why XO is getting fast tracked over other guys including Jensen.And this is going off the fact that they're both about equal in play. Jensen is very good, and he's right handed, sure, but XO looks very good too. theres a reason he's getting playing time. Edited October 5, 2015 by number9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 THERE IT IS! Welcome to the Wings Officially Mr. Larkin! Helene St. James Verified account @HeleneStJames 2m2 minutes ago Dylan Larkin has made opening roster for #RedWings, per Jeff Blashill. 1 BottleOfSmoke reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 @AnsarKhanMLive: Larkin made the roster Blashill said Ya baby!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 I'd respond but I'd just be repeating the exact same thing I said in my previous post, the same way you just repeated the exact same thing you said in your post last night... Anyway, regardless of age Jensen > Ouellet last year, this year, and in coming years, in my opinion... Wow Larkin made the opening night roster?... I'm very surprised to say the least, and honestly a little disappointed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swayze 81 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 number9, I don't get what their age has to do with it, if anything that argument should go in Jensen's favor. He's been with the organization for 2 years longer than Ouellet and still hasn't gotten a single game in the NHL, despite consistently outplaying him. Jensen looked much better in camp a year ago, was the last defense prospect to get sent down, and out-produced Ouellet in the AHL, but yet Xavier gets rewarded with 21 games in the NHL. He again looked better in camp this year, and he gets sent down and once again Xavier gets rewarded. Because he's a couple years younger? Since when is that a good thing for the Red Wings?... Jensen is a far superior skater, with and without the puck, his transition game is by far the best of all our prospects in my opinion. He can skate the puck out of danger, or he can make a quick tape to tape outlet pass under pressure. Last season Ouellet had 16 points (1 goal, 15 assists, 0.308 P/G) and an even +/- rating in 52 games with the Griffins and 3 points (2 goals, 1 assist) and a +4 in 21 games with the Wings. Jensen had 27 points (6 goals, 21 assists, 0.360 P/G) and was a league leading +30 in 75 games with the Griffins and I'd be willing to bet that if given the opportunity he would produce well more than 3 points in 21 games with the Red Wings... I think the key factor is consistency. Watching both XO and Jensen on the Griffins last year, you can tell when Jensen is having a good game and definitely when he is having a bad game, but XO always looks solid and never like a liability. This in my opinion is why XO was up in Detroit during half of the Griffins games I attended last year, and why he got the nod this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 I'd respond but I'd just be repeating the exact same thing I said in my previous post, the same way you just repeated the exact same thing you said in your post last night... Anyway, regardless of age Jensen > Ouellet last year, this year, and in coming years, in my opinion... Wow Larkin made the opening night roster?... I'm very surprised to say the least, and honestly a little disappointed... So why do you think they're playing the worse defenseman then if Jensen is so much better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 Yup! Larkin makes us a better team without a doubt and with Pavs out he deserves to be in the lineup. Surprising to see the Wings have the balls to put him in 1 Internet.Unknown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 so with Larkin on the team, do we expect to hear that Cleary and Andersson are on waivers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 Swayze, I watch a s*** ton of Griffins games every year, and I definitely don't see the same thing you're seeing and apparently not the same as management either... I know +/- is a flawed stat, but come on, to top the entire league, you have to be doing some pretty good things on a consistent basis. In my opinion he does everything moderately to much better than Ouellet. Other than "solid" or "steady", I find it hard to see what else Ouellet is as a defenseman. number9, that's a great question, one I don't have an answer for... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 Swayze, I watch a s*** ton of Griffins games every year, and I definitely don't see the same thing you're seeing and apparently not the same as management either... I know +/- is a flawed stat, but come on, to top the entire league, you have to be doing some pretty good things on a consistent basis. In my opinion he does everything moderately to much better than Ouellet. Other than "solid" or "steady", I find it hard to see what else Ouellet is as a defenseman. number9, that's a great question, one I don't have an answer for... So either your wrong about Jensen, or the Red Wings are making dumb moves. The Red Wings don't make a lot of dumb moves.. I think the ceiling is much higher for Ouellet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 47m47 minutes ago Larkin made the roster Blashill said Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 42m42 minutes ago Blashill said Larkin will start on line with Zetterberg and Abdelkader in all likelihood. Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 6m6 minutes ago Whoever starts in goal Fri. vs. Toronto (I'm guessing it will be Howard), the other guy will start the next night in Carolina, Blashill said So either your wrong about Jensen, or the Red Wings are making dumb moves. The Red Wings don't make a lot of dumb moves..I think the ceiling is much higher for Ouellet ...or they want to get him more NHL games to showcase him for a trade. Edited October 5, 2015 by e_prime 2 Hey man nice shot! and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 I very well could be wrong, but I think Jensen is better, and I also don't think Ouellet's ceiling is very high. I think he is probably the most overrated prospect in our system. That, I hope I'm wrong on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 I very well could be wrong, but I think Jensen is better, and I also don't think Ouellet's ceiling is very high. I think he is probably the most overrated prospect in our system. That, I hope I'm wrong on...How I've read these two players (and I could very well be wrong cuz I haven't seen as many GR games as you) is that Jensen is more offensively capable and likes to join the rush and make things happen. Oulette is more safe and steady and defensively responsible. This may be a case of the team valuing defensive play for that final spot over offensive play. If we didn't land green in the offseason maybe it would be Jensen who stays up? And again, I'm only basing this off their games in the NHL that I've seen. 2 hillbillywingsfan and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 Helene St. James @HeleneStJames 1m1 minute ago Red Wings not putting anyone on waivers today. Interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 It makes me so happy that Larkin made the team I could vomit 6 Internet.Unknown, number9, joesuffP and 3 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 Larkin - Zetterberg - Abdelkader Tatar - Richards - Nyquist Jurco - Sheahan - Franzen Miller - Glendening - Ferraro Pulkkinen So, now it is really down to Cleary v. Andersson for your 14th forward... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 DetroitHockey.Net @detroithockey96 3m3 minutes ago No one on waivers because they're maximizing cap calculations, I assume. Kindl on IR something to do with that. Someone do maths. Winging It In Motown @wingingitmotown 2m2 minutes ago Right here. Wings want cap hit closest to absolute max before putting Datsyuk on LTIR. Gives max possible cap space 1 e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 Helene St. James @HeleneStJames 1m1 minute ago Red Wings not putting anyone on waivers today. Interesting They have until tomorrow at 5pm, but does this mean a possible trade is looming? It's gotta happen sometime. DetroitHockey.Net @detroithockey96 3m3 minutes ago No one on waivers because they're maximizing cap calculations, I assume. Kindl on IR something to do with that. Someone do maths. Winging It In Motown @wingingitmotown 2m2 minutes ago Right here. Wings want cap hit closest to absolute max before putting Datsyuk on LTIR. Gives max possible cap space ...or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,521 Report post Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) I don't know that Jensen is more "offensive" to Ouellet's "defensive" style. Jensen is certainly a more dynamic player because his skating allows him to lead the breakout himself. But I actually think Ouellet has the better point shot, and is a better passer. Also, I think that Jensen is a very good defensive player on account of his recoverability, but Ouellet is probably more positionally sound. Which stands to reason when you consider that guys who aren't speedsters tend to rely on positioning. Stylistically, I'd say Jensen is like a poor man's Brian Campbell, while Ouellet is a poor man's Ryan Suter. Obviously neither of them are likely to be as good as the guys I just mentioned, but they're similar in style. And I think it's awfully hard to pigeonhole those styles as either "offensive" or "defensive". Edited October 5, 2015 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
