10/17 GDT: Detroit Red Wings @ Montreal Canadiens, 7:00 EST

[Vladinator16 236]

pulk has 3 goals in 5 games not bad jurco i agree

Pulkkinens goals have been far from highlight reel goals and when he's not scoring he does absolutely nothing. He has no defensive two way play skill at all, if he doesn't have the puck on his stick in a scoring area he's absolutely useless.

[kickazz 5,459]

ok, ready for Nyquist or Tatar to have their breakout game....anytime now.

Nyquist has scored.

Tatar needs to

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

If he doesn't resign all you're out is Helm who likely won't be resigned, Ericsson who getting rid of would be a blessing, and the only real loss is the one of Jurco or Pulkkinen both of whom have yet to show much at the NHL level.

Well I think there's way too much hoping and guessing for me going on there for it to be a good idea.

Best Case Scenario for your trade:

Jurco or Pulkkinen are duds and we've traded them away so they're no loss.

Ericsson is as bad as you say he is. (if Buff resigns it doesn't really matter since he's an upgrade.

Helm wasn't going to re-sign here.

Buff resigns

Successful trade

Worst Case Scenario:

Jurco or Pulkkinen fulfill their potential on the Jets and we've lost a hell of a contributor

Ericsson is a good #4 guy (spoiler on this one: he is and his contract will look better in a few years)

Helm would have re-signed and been a solid 3rd line guy/ secondary scorer/leader for many years who can move up and down the lineup.

Buff doesn't re-sign and you've lost 3 solid contributors for a couple of Buff months

Bad GMing, you're fired

Besides what people say around here, I think Helm definitely resigns. If he's said "no, I'm not re-signing" fine trade him.

Edited October 18, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[ami 273]

this team deserve this loss, no question.

however, toronto war room worker, all of them, dererve 200 lb skater charging two sharp skates first into their ******* faces!

Even Mark ******* Joannette called it on the ice no goal...

[Vladinator16 236]

Well I think there's way too much hoping and guessing for me going on there for it to be a good idea.

Best Case Scenario for your trade:

Jurco or Pulkkinen are duds and we've traded them away so they're no loss.

Ericsson is as bad as you say he is. (if Buff resigns it doesn't really matter since he's an upgrade.

Helm wasn't going to re-sign here.

Buff resigns

Successful trade

Worst Case Scenario:

Jurco or Pulkkinen fulfill their potential on the Jets and we've lost a hell of a contributor

Ericsson is a good #4 guy (spoiler on this one: he is and makes that much money)

Helm would have re-signed and been a solid 3rd line guy/ secondary scorer/leader for many years who can move up and down the lineup.

Buff doesn't re-sign and you've lost 3 solid contributors for a couple of Buff months

Bad GMing, you're fired

Besides what people say around here, I think Helm definitely resigns. If he's said "no, I'm not re-signing" fine trade him.

There's no way Helm get's resigned and even if he does it would not be for many years. With our prospects we have coming up Helm is about finished as a Red Wing.

He's injury prone and has speed but no hands to go with it, his only role is as a 3rd line C and we have prospects that can fill that role as early as next season. You could bring up AA right now and insert him into Helms spot and not a single person would complain about Helm losing that spot.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Even despite the bad call, Detroit should have been able to muster more than five shots in the third.

[kickazz 5,459]

Why is a 35 year old and a 19 year old our best players on ice? That makes zero sense to me.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Why is a 35 year old and a 19 year old our best players on ice? That makes zero sense to me.

Yup. It sucks we're wasting some fantastic hockey by Z

I think some guys are taking Blash's strategy of quick puck movement but not being smart about it. There's a time to go up ice and look for the stretch pass but you've got to be back for support. Offensive zone control has also been a struggle and that's from just getting out worked. Chasing the play

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

There's no way Helm get's resigned and even if he does it would not be for many years. With our prospects we have coming up Helm is about finished as a Red Wing.

He's injury prone and has speed but no hands to go with it, his only role is as a 3rd line C and we have prospects that can fill that role as early as next season. You could bring up AA right now and insert him into Helms spot and not a single person would complain about Helm losing that spot.

No matter how forcefully you write it, it's just a guess or a preference. I think Helm is important to the team. I expect a 3 year deal - maybe I shouldn't written many years. We'll see.

His only role is not 3C. He hasn't played there for while. He played the role of Dats winger for a while last year. Did play 3C some and winger on the 2nd and 3rd line. PKs, spent some time on the PP. He's a swiss army knife - That adaptability is main strong point. Anyway, I know you disagree so no need to respond - It's all beside the point that I think your Trade idea is way too risky and would likely end up in the regret pile.

[Echolalia 2,961]

The problem is we have too many players who are similar. Small euros who are easy to push off the puck in physical battles. Their speed alone won't help them.

On defense, we're just simply not talented enough to compete with the top teams. Too many mistake prone defensemen.

I disagree that the problem is the players. Last year Wings were averaging 29.6 shots per game with much of the same roster that we have now. This year they're shooting 21.4, which is last in the NHL. If anything, that number should be higher than last year's because we have Larkin and Green on the team, and Richards effectively replaced Weiss.

But its not just offensive struggles. Last year they allowed 28.3 shots/game, and this year its 33.4 shots/game, good for 4th worst in NHL. Powerplay last year 23.8%. This year 15.4%. And again, its largely the same roster between now and then with the exception of a few players. That tells me its the system moreso than the players. And watching the game and seeing where the team is struggling confirms that as well. The turnovers that we have at our blueline/neutral zone have been killer because we haven't had guys in position to cover on the event of a turnover. Its often the 4th or 5th guy back trying to skate the puck up or pass it through a dangerous lane and it gets taken away, and all of a sudden theres an odd-man rush coming at our goalie. In the offensive zone we're playing more perimeter hockey than ever before, with literally almost no slot presence. And sporadically the Wings also seem to be neglecting the full ice, and have been overloading one half of the rink, which makes it easier for the other team to cover. Maybe Blash wants more guys in close proximity to support the puck carrier in case of a turnover, I dunno. But the problem is it limits the effectiveness of a pass because your only option is a couple feet away, and not really out of trouble. It has also led to our guys running into each other alot and inadvertently taking away their own time and space, which is just ridiculous and frusterating to watch.

Anyway, its only been five games so its not like the season is over. But Blashill needs to display why he's been successful at every level he's coached and adapt to what's going on. That mean's recognizing right now that what's implemented isn't working, and make adjustments accordingly.

[kickazz 5,459]

I miss Datsyuk. He bails the defense out sometimes.

[rick zombo 3,739]

What a waste of BOS's beautiful GDT.

Also what this team needs right now is not some fat-ass from The Jets. What they need is a perennially elite center. As kickazz once said: I miss Datsyuk.

That dude gets healthy and this entire team changes.

Give me Datsyuk and a proper day's rest and these Wings beat Montreal, s***ty D and all.

[kickazz 5,459]

Hah not sure if you're being sarcastic.

Having Byfgulien would be a huge upgrade but that's not practical at the moment. The only options we have is whether our best center can be the difference maker for offense and to help shutdown opposing team playmakers.

Our D sucks but it would be nice if the offense can kick it up and shoot more and hence score more. This isn't Team Zetterberg and Larkin idk when the hell Tatar, Richards and crew are going to wake up. But maybe Dats can get Tats going if and when he's back.

The Tats - Dats - Helm line was our best one last year. Need that back and we can run the Abby - Z - Larkin line and have a one-two punch and generate more shots on goal.

Who the f*** knows.

Edited October 18, 2015 by kickazz

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Hopefully this is just getting used to a new system and coach. I can't imagine Blashill would stray from Detroit's classic puck-possession style of play.

[rick zombo 3,739]

Hah not sure if you're being sarcastic.

Having Byfgulien would be a huge upgrade but that's not practical at the moment. The only options we have is whether our best center can be the difference maker for offense and to help shutdown opposing team playmakers.

Our D sucks but it would be nice if the offense can kick it up and shoot more and hence score more. This isn't Team Zetterberg and Larkin idk when the hell Tatar, Richards and crew are going to wake up. But maybe Dats can get Tats going if and when he's back.

The Tats - Dats - Helm line was our best one last year. Need that back and we can run the Abby - Z - Larkin line and have a one-two punch and generate more shots on goal.

Who the f*** knows.

I was being dead serious. That s*** tonight is as good as it gets for the Habs. The Wings? They're missing their best player and (when healthy) one of the league's best. Les Canadiens may very well be peaking already. Who knows what we have yet with Detroit.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

hey guys i dont like the way we are getting outshot, but yesterdays game was won be special teams really.

we gave up 2 pp and a empty netter at the death, yes the ice was tilted in the 3rd but maybe just maybe the

2nd game in 2 days caught up with us against a team that i and many others feel will go really close to a cup

this year.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

There's no way Helm get's resigned and even if he does it would not be for many years. With our prospects we have coming up Helm is about finished as a Red Wing.

He's injury prone and has speed but no hands to go with it, his only role is as a 3rd line C and we have prospects that can fill that role as early as next season. You could bring up AA right now and insert him into Helms spot and not a single person would complain about Helm losing that spot.

You seriously underrate Helm. Yes he is injury prone but defensively and even offensively he is still leaps above Jurco or Pulkkinen at this point.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I always read about the great prospects coming up who other than Mantha really has top 6 NHL potential? Also are people serious? A fat overweight defender in a contract year? No thanks the Wings need a top pairing guy something they've needed for years now Green can run the PP but as a 6 per guy he should also be able to help out Kronner instead of needing a 24 year old Danny D. to cover up his mistakes. People can crap on Ericsson all they want but he prevented that goal by taking a penalty.

And who cares how many shots they have last time I looked at it, goals were winning the game not the amount of shots taken. The most disturbing fact about the game wasn't the loss it was the fact that the team didn't play angry after that s***ty goal counted...other teams would have made life hard for price

It's 5 games in and Blashill is new like I said before the season the guy will need some time to figure things out. Also for the so called hottest team in the league their showing wasn't very impressing its basically Price (on godmode) plus the rest.

I also don't think Jurco and Pulkinnen would return a top pairing guy so something more enticing would have to be added to that package.

Edited October 18, 2015 by frankgrimes

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

I always read about the great prospects coming up who other than Mantha really has top 6 NHL potential? Also are people serious? A fat overweight defender in a contract year? No thanks the Wings need a top pairing guy something they've needed for years now Green can run the PP but as a 6 per guy he should also be able to help out Kronner instead of needing a 24 year old Danny D. to cover up his mistakes. People can crap on Ericsson all they want but he prevented that goal by taking a penalty.

And who cares how many shots they have last time I looked at it, goals were winning the game not the amount of shots taken. The most disturbing fact about the game wasn't the loss it was the fact that the team didn't play angry after that s***ty goal counted...other teams would have made life hard for price

It's 5 games in and Blashill is new like I said before the season the guy will need some time to figure things out. Also for the so called hottest team in the league their showing wasn't very impressing its basically Price (on godmode) plus the rest.

I also don't think Jurco and Pulkinnen would return a top pairing guy so something more enticing would have to be added to that package.

Seriously Frank?

Svechnikov, Athanasiou, Bertuzzi, Holmstrom

Then there's that Larkin kid...

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

[miksteri 55]

"It is not the first time no. 11 on their team is running into a goalie, either." - Henrik Zetterberg on Brendan Gallagher

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/the-overnight-report-red-wings-canadiens-wrap-up2

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

"It is not the first time no. 11 on their team is running into a goalie, either." - Henrik Zetterberg on Brendan Gallagher

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/the-overnight-report-red-wings-canadiens-wrap-up2

Then do something about it next time you play them. Mentioning it won't stop it.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Then do something about it next time you play them. Mentioning it won't stop it.

Are you suggesting that fighting would stop it?

[kickazz 5,459]

Then do something about it next time you play them. Mentioning it won't stop it.

Tf you want him to do? Watch him like a hawk and slide tackle him as he attempts to run into goalie?

"AHHH we play Montreal? Let me sit in the corner and wait for that number 11 muhahaha soon as he attempts to run into the goalie I shall teleport in the middle and greet his legs with my beard muahhaha!"

Making a statement goes a long way actually.

Not saying anything wouldn't. I'm glad he called him out. It's out there in the media now and his track record is now on public display for fans and league.

Zberg did the captain thing by being vocal, basically calling out the league and montreal. Nothing more the Wings can do about it unless you're suggesting they fight him.

Edited October 18, 2015 by kickazz

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Then do something about it next time you play them. Mentioning it won't stop it.

Spot on.

Tf you want him to do? Watch him like a hawk and slide tackle him as he attempts to run into goalie?

"AHHH we play Montreal? Let me sit in the corner and wait for that number 11 muhahaha soon as he attempts to run into the goalie I shall teleport in the middle and greet his legs with my beard muahhaha!"

Making a statement goes a long way actually.

Not saying anything wouldn't. I'm glad he called him out. It's out there in the media now and his track record is now on public display for fans and league.

Zberg did the captain thing by being vocal, basically calling out the league and montreal. Nothing more the Wings can do about it unless you're suggesting they fight him.

Z cant do anything about it. We do not have a forward in the lineup that can break Gallagher's jaw. But we have a mass of 180 lb forwards doing absilutely nothing offensively. So take your pick of anyone not on Zetterberg's line, and replace him for one game with Tangradi next time Montreal is in town. Then have Tangradi rearrange Gallagher's nose.