Jeff Blashill = Dave Lewis 2.0 / Coaching Change

[wings7 62]

No. Blashill has overtaken in team in transistion and like many have said in the off-season it will take time for him to implement his system and getting used to the coaching methods of other NHL coaches.

It shouldn't take that long. Wasn't he groomed for this job? Doesn't he know the players?

Transition is over. THIS IS OUR TEAM.

I disagree completely.

Since when did Wings fans accept mediocrity? That's the real question.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

It shouldn't take that long. Wasn't he groomed for this job? Doesn't he know the players?

Transition is over. THIS IS OUR TEAM.

I disagree completely.

Since when did Wings fans accept mediocrity? That's the real question.

That long good god it's 8! games in. He was groomed for this job in the AHL coaching - you guessed it right - against other AHL coaches while managing a bunch of prospects.

This is now the big league he is coaching young guys and aging veterans against the best of the best.

Accepting being average? I would call it looking realistically at where this team is and if you think the transition is over uoh far from it. For your sake I hope we never do a real rebuild cause you'd be calling for a coaches and or players head after not a few weeks lol

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

I get that instant gratification feels *amazing*, but are there people here who seriously thought this would all gel and the Wings would turn into a powerhouse after just a couple weeks?

Preseason set some of y'all up for some VERY unrealistic expectations. Relax. Drink a pop. Take a nap. Do some pilates. And give Blashill a fricking break for 5 minutes ffs. This team may not be a contender yet for a couple years, but man the future looks bright. Get off the man's yambag and step away from the ledge...

Sounding like Veruca Salt up in this bish

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

I get that instant gratification feels *amazing*, but are there people here who seriously thought this would all gel and the Wings would turn into a powerhouse after just a couple weeks?

Preseason set some of y'all up for some VERY unrealistic expectations. Relax. Drink a pop. Take a nap. Do some pilates. And give Blashill a fricking break for 5 minutes ffs. This team may not be a contender yet for a couple years, but man the future looks bright. Get off the man's yambag and step away from the ledge...

Sounding like Veruca Salt up in this bish

Veruca Salt didn't like mediocrity. What's wrong with that?

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

It shouldn't take that long. Wasn't he groomed for this job? Doesn't he know the players?

Transition is over. THIS IS OUR TEAM.

I disagree completely.

Since when did Wings fans accept mediocrity? That's the real question.

I think it's crazy that you're laying blame for the current struggles on Blash's back. We have Datsyuk Franzen, Green, Richards, Quincey out. DD, Helm were out for a long stretch. With just that, did you expect this team to be at the top of the standings? Even without injury problems, there was going to be a transition period getting used to his of style. Also, He's juggled the lines and it does take time to develop chemistry. Sheahan's been a new role at wing for a number of game, Glendening also, we introduced Richard's and Green to the line-up (G's transition was pretty quick), Not too many of the players had played with Larkin or Pulkkinen. I think it'll just take a bit of time to get going and, of course, the return of some of the injured.

We're 10 games in. I was wondering how long it would take for people to turn on Blash - this has been surprisingly quick.

edit: BoS beat me to these sentiments.

Edited October 30, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[kickazz 5,459]

It shouldn't take that long. Wasn't he groomed for this job? Doesn't he know the players?

Transition is over. THIS IS OUR TEAM.

I disagree completely.

Since when did Wings fans accept mediocrity? That's the real question.

Were you a Babcock fan? Because to be honest we were mediocre at best that last 4 years.

So if you were a fan of that then realistically speaking you, yourself were a fan of mediocrity.

Just saying.

Edited October 30, 2015 by kickazz

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Were you a Babcock fan? Because to be honest we were mediocre at best that last 4 years.

So if you were a fan of that then realistically speaking you, yourself were a fan of mediocrity.

Just saying.

Excellent reply.

[wings7 62]

Were you a Babcock fan? Because to be honest we were mediocre at best that last 4 years.

So if you were a fan of that then realistically speaking you, yourself were a fan of mediocrity.

Just saying.

We made the playoffs every year and with less talent. Younger guys who had to be coached up.

Nyquist and Tatar have taken steps backwards. They are not improving.

Green and Richards are upgrades.

Mrazek has more confidence. Jimmy, too.

Babcock got more with less.

I get that instant gratification feels *amazing*, but are there people here who seriously thought this would all gel and the Wings would turn into a powerhouse after just a couple weeks?

Preseason set some of y'all up for some VERY unrealistic expectations. Relax. Drink a pop. Take a nap. Do some pilates. And give Blashill a fricking break for 5 minutes ffs. This team may not be a contender yet for a couple years, but man the future looks bright. Get off the man's yambag and step away from the ledge...

Sounding like Veruca Salt up in this bish

We were a game away last year of beating the Lightning who went on to the Cup Finals.

We were close.

Now we look far.

That's my beef.

I'll make it very simple.

Since who reads what people write.

I've already said I take back blaming only Blashill for this start.

The men on this team are playing uninspired hockey right now. That's a fact. Minus Game 1, of course.

They are .500 almost through 10 games.

You do not make the playoffs at .500.

They need to play harder.

If they hadn't been so close last year, I'd say, sure, we just need to continue this transition, but I think Babcock proved they have the talent.

[kickazz 5,459]

We made the playoffs every year and with less talent. Younger guys who had to be coached up.

Nyquist and Tatar have taken steps backwards. They are not improving.

Green and Richards are upgrades.

Mrazek has more confidence. Jimmy, too.

Babcock got more with less.

Okay so.

What I read from what you said. "Babcock accomplished mediocrity with less talent" Here's why I come up with that conclusion: -

Babcock has had first round exists the last 4 years with the exception of Chicago which was round two. That IS mediocrity. If you think that's exceptional then I wonder what you consider Chicago to be. (Who have had 3 stanley cups in what 6 years or so)

First round exits are mediocre. Not exceptional.

But hey props to Babs for getting mediocrity with less talent.

For the record I don't dislike Babcock. I liked him as a coach. I'm just being objective about this though.

Edited October 30, 2015 by kickazz

[DickieDunn 2,571]

We made the playoffs every year and with less talent. Younger guys who had to be coached up.

Nyquist and Tatar have taken steps backwards. They are not improving.

Green and Richards are upgrades.

Mrazek has more confidence. Jimmy, too.

Babcock got more with less.

We were a game away last year of beating the Lightning who went on to the Cup Finals.

We were close.

Now we look far.

That's my beef.

I'll make it very simple.

Since who reads what people write.

I've already said I take back blaming only Blashill for this start.

The men on this team are playing uninspired hockey right now. That's a fact. Minus Game 1, of course.

They are .500 almost through 10 games.

You do not make the playoffs at .500.

They need to play harder.

If they hadn't been so close last year, I'd say, sure, we just need to continue this transition, but I think Babcock proved they have the talent.

Richards is an aging center coming off a 35 point season, how is he an upgrade? Green is offensively on paper, but not defensively.

[Richdg 267]

We made the playoffs every year and with less talent. Younger guys who had to be coached up.

Nyquist and Tatar have taken steps backwards. They are not improving.

Green and Richards are upgrades.

Mrazek has more confidence. Jimmy, too.

Babcock got more with less.

We were a game away last year of beating the Lightning who went on to the Cup Finals.

We were close.

Now we look far.

That's my beef.

I'll make it very simple.

Since who reads what people write.

I've already said I take back blaming only Blashill for this start.

The men on this team are playing uninspired hockey right now. That's a fact. Minus Game 1, of course.

They are .500 almost through 10 games.

You do not make the playoffs at .500.

They need to play harder.

If they hadn't been so close last year, I'd say, sure, we just need to continue this transition, but I think Babcock proved they have the talent.

We were also 1 game from not making the playoffs. Richards is not a star anymore. Nor is he healthy. Same for Green. Since they are not on the ice, we have not upgraded anything.

[wings7 62]

Just so we are clear. Most of you guys or girls, whatever gender you are behind your computer, are talking out of both sides of your mouths.

Some of you don't think they upgraded.

Some of you say they are still young.

Some of you say the team is old.

Some of you say it's only 8 games.

While some of you say certain players have missed large chunks of the season.

Kyle Quincey all of a sudden is a Red Wing fan favorite. What? Since when?

If you think Babcock only reached mediocrity, then why did we bring in a rookie who will most likely do worse behind the bench?

Are you guys going to games or just listening on the radio?

The team is pathetic.

This is the same team as last year. Close to beating the eventually Eastern Conference Champs. Plus the addition of Brad Richards and Mike Green. If you don't like them, then lets talk about Holland. If you do, and you should, then you should realize we should be better. But lets be real here, they weren't lighting the NHL on fire (Richards and Green) when they were healthy.

Ugh.

Go Wings Go.

We were also 1 game from not making the playoffs. Richards is not a star anymore. Nor is he healthy. Same for Green. Since they are not on the ice, we have not upgraded anything.

So why did we sign him? Are you mad at Holland?

Richards is an aging center coming off a 35 point season, how is he an upgrade? Green is offensively on paper, but not defensively.

He is better than NOT having him. Think who would be center. Oh yeah, it's happening now. And we suck even more.

Okay so.

What I read from what you said. "Babcock accomplished mediocrity with less talent" Here's why I come up with that conclusion: -

Babcock has had first round exists the last 4 years with the exception of Chicago which was round two. That IS mediocrity. If you think that's exceptional then I wonder what you consider Chicago to be. (Who have had 3 stanley cups in what 6 years or so)

First round exits are mediocre. Not exceptional.

But hey props to Babs for getting mediocrity with less talent.

For the record I don't dislike Babcock. I liked him as a coach. I'm just being objective about this though.

Appreciate the math. I didn't know that. Even though I used to work for the organization.

[kickazz 5,459]

Appreciate the math. I didn't know that. Even though I used to work for the organization.

Hah maybe that's why you "used" to

[wings7 62]

Hah maybe that's why you "used" to

That was sarcasm, thanks. You're a real treat to deal with you know that.

[kickazz 5,459]

That was sarcasm, thanks. You're a real treat to deal with you know that.

Was it really?? Sarcasm you say?? Well I'll be..

Lol.

You still never replied on whether you enjoyed Babcocks mediocrity though.

[WingsallTheway 383]

Nobody should be sticking up for this team.

"10 games in"

OK. Were 4-5-1. 2 of those wins should probably be losses. The vancouver OT win was lucky and we won against Carolina with a 47 save performance. Carolina. I haven't seen a single game this season that makes me think we're going to suddenly turn it around and play well. Thats just delusional. Basically we've played two good games so far. Against Toronto, congrats; a team full of borderline NHL players and stacked up with top 12 forwards. Everyone's throwing arms in the air saying it's panic but is common sense...this team just doesn't have it for whatever reason. Coaching? I dont know, but it seems like the most readily available option at this point.

This is the worst I've seen these guys play in recent memory.... I wish it was mediocrity but the play I've seen is laughable. Theres not a single reason we should be 4-5-1.

Edited October 31, 2015 by WingsallTheway

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Just so we are clear. Most of you guys or girls, whatever gender you are behind your computer, are talking out of both sides of your mouths.

Some of you don't think they upgraded.

Some of you say they are still young.

Some of you say the team is old.

Some of you say it's only 8 games.

While some of you say certain players have missed large chunks of the season.

Kyle Quincey all of a sudden is a Red Wing fan favorite. What? Since when?

If you think Babcock only reached mediocrity, then why did we bring in a rookie who will most likely do worse behind the bench?

Are you guys going to games or just listening on the radio?

The team is pathetic.

This is the same team as last year. Close to beating the eventually Eastern Conference Champs. Plus the addition of Brad Richards and Mike Green. If you don't like them, then lets talk about Holland. If you do, and you should, then you should realize we should be better. But lets be real here, they weren't lighting the NHL on fire (Richards and Green) when they were healthy.

Ugh.

Go Wings Go.

So why did we sign him? Are you mad at Holland?

He is better than NOT having him. Think who would be center. Oh yeah, it's happening now. And we suck even more.

Appreciate the math. I didn't know that. Even though I used to work for the organization.

Oh good god just Email Holland that you are unhappy with Blashill 8 games in and I'm sure he will fire him..hey if he doesn't Mr. I has an Email address too so maybe he will fire both of them to please a keyboard warrior.

Also speak for yourself, thanks.

So far there is only one guy who seems to be writing before thinking but that's your own fault. Some research would have saved you a lot of time Richards was supposed to be a 3 line center, Mike Green was demoted to the third pairing during his time in Washington.

Whether you like it or not this team is in transition and has been for quite some time now. Maybe missing the playoffs would kick of a real rebuild and a better chance at Matthews. If you went into this season with false expectations that's your own fault..btw. The Bolts are on a whole different level the captain rebuilt this team in 4 freaking years unreal

Edited October 31, 2015 by frankgrimes

[Z and D for the C 712]

Puck movement is 100% of the Red Wings problem right now. Their defense has actually been good but they're really bad at getting the puck out of the zone and through the neutral zone which is giving the other team the puck and they spend too much time in their own zone. They're not generating any offense because they can't get the puck to each other and sustain some offensive pressure. This is the problem. If they can start moving the puck better they'll start winning games.

This is also most likely a coaching issue with respect to new systems. Coaching either needs to make adjustments or players need to start getting used to/better at the system. Most likely a combination of both.

If they can fix the puck movement issue they'll be a powerhouse.

[Rivalred 630]

Puck movement is 100% of the Red Wings problem right now. Their defense has actually been good but they're really bad at getting the puck out of the zone and through the neutral zone which is giving the other team the puck and they spend too much time in their own zone. They're not generating any offense because they can't get the puck to each other and sustain some offensive pressure. This is the problem. If they can start moving the puck better they'll start winning games.

This is also most likely a coaching issue with respect to new systems. Coaching either needs to make adjustments or players need to start getting used to/better at the system. Most likely a combination of both.

If they can fix the puck movement issue they'll be a powerhouse.

Turn overs killed them yesterday night once again. Couldn't clear the puck out of the zone, made mistakes and resulted in goals

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

Just so we are clear. Most of you guys or girls, whatever gender you are behind your computer, are talking out of both sides of your mouths.

Some of you don't think they upgraded.

Some of you say they are still young.

Some of you say the team is old.

Some of you say it's only 8 games.

While some of you say certain players have missed large chunks of the season.

It's almost as if we're... *spooky voice*

All different people with different opinions!!!!

*horror movie scream*

We get it. You've had all you can stand and you can't stand no more. But you need to stop with the incredulity that not everyone agrees with you or your histrionics. If you want to panic and rage against the machine, have at it. But some of us actually want to try to enjoy the season and see how things play out without having a massive cardiac event. To each their own, man.

[wings7 62]

It's almost as if we're... *spooky voice*

All different people with different opinions!!!!

*horror movie scream*

We get it. You've had all you can stand and you can't stand no more. But you need to stop with the incredulity that not everyone agrees with you or your histrionics. If you want to panic and rage against the machine, have at it. But some of us actually want to try to enjoy the season and see how things play out without having a massive cardiac event. To each their own, man.

The same people are saying those things. That's not the point.

I love this team and am very frustrated. I don't like to care for a team more than the team does.

Did you go last night? It was a joke.

Oh good god just Email Holland that you are unhappy with Blashill 8 games in and I'm sure he will fire him..hey if he doesn't Mr. I has an Email address too so maybe he will fire both of them to please a keyboard warrior.

Also speak for yourself, thanks.

So far there is only one guy who seems to be writing before thinking but that's your own fault. Some research would have saved you a lot of time Richards was supposed to be a 3 line center, Mike Green was demoted to the third pairing during his time in Washington.

Whether you like it or not this team is in transition and has been for quite some time now. Maybe missing the playoffs would kick of a real rebuild and a better chance at Matthews. If you went into this season with false expectations that's your own fault..btw. The Bolts are on a whole different level the captain rebuilt this team in 4 freaking years unreal

Let me guess. You're a UofM fan too, aren't you. Because every year instead of living in the present, you either live in the past or the future.

Things suck with the Wings right now. We're not in transition. Nyqvist and Tatar are our guys. Kronwall, E, Z and Pav are our mainstays. We have players. And give me a break about Richards. If you don't think we got him as an upgrade, you are lying to yourself. He played amazing in the playoffs last year. He's not that much older now.

[wings7 62]

Time to really think if Blashill is the problem.

[kickazz 5,459]

Time to really think if Blashill is the problem.

Not time to hit panic button yet.

[Tomash 2]

Detroit Red Wings ARE in rebuild process. You have to accept that, and be patient.

The difference is, that red wings already has a wagon of young talent so they don't need to make huge trades, or tank the season.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Time to really think if Blashill is the problem.

Time to really say (again) no. A coach can only work with the roster given by his GM