joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 I don't think we have the luxury of icing a defensive group like that after acquiring Green. We're comparatively weak defensively sacrificing for scoring depth. I think if Holland makes a move he flips a few guys for a bonafide scoring winger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 Byfuglien on a long term contract would be a terrible idea in my opinion, especially at upwards of $8M. The guy is a beast but he's not exactly in the best shape at the age of 30, I can't imagine that getting much better in his mid 30's... I don't know, maybe he will remain an elite defender into his mid to late 30's, but I picture him falling and falling hard in the next few seasons... Would you do 7 for 7? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 No, I definitely wouldn't, however I'm sure there are many here that would in a heartbeat. I just hope Holland stays away... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,908 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 I agree somewhat KRSMITH, if that is the concern, how about 3 years $8M? Then see what goes from there? That could be advantageuous for both parties, if his play declines, then you could let him walk or re-sign him for much less, if he continues to be dominant then he could seek even more $$$ after the 3 years. JOESUFF, I understand also the scoring winger concern, but honestly we have the potential for multiple 30 goal scorer already playing for us. It is not out of the realm to think that each one of Tatar, Nyquist, Pulkkinen and Larkin can all be scoring 30-40 goals a year soon. AA seems to be ready and add to that Bertuzzi, Mantha and I am sure I am forgetting someone and we could be set for scoring for a long time. I think acquiring someone like Byf can address a couple issues. Like I said, picture him in front of the net on the PP, Boston does it with Lurch, Byf can be a dominant force there. He also could play an offensive role in the 3-3 OT format. Not saying he is the missing link to our Cup, but if you are throwing a huge amout of eggs in one basket, Byf is a great choice. Plus, the fact remains that we have an overage of players that need to be re-signed and/or are out of exemptions and we need to move these players for assets before they get exposed to waivers. With the news of Abby's eminent contract, there may not be much room to re-sign Helm, Andersson or Miller. I would think Richards is not going to be anyhow, heck, if Larkin continues his stellar play, Richards may end up being a deadline trade asset to someone looking to solidify a Cup run. I'd overpay a bit now to acquire Byf and then overpay him to hang around for a few years. It's time to do so. Having Green and Byf around for the next 2-3 years after this will help develope our younger D and also help us rid ourselves of less usefull ones: E, K, Smith, Q. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 7, 2015 You cant get 30+ goal scorers. There arent any of them available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,908 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Now is the time to sweetin a deal for Byfuglien.... http://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-inadequate-goaltending-hurts-jets-grade-1.398534 http://www.tsn.ca/jets-pavelec-out-until-january-at-earliest-1.398538 Offer up Howard, Helm, Smith (or Kindl) & Dman prospect....done! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Now is the time to sweetin a deal for Byfuglien.... http://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-inadequate-goaltending-hurts-jets-grade-1.398534 http://www.tsn.ca/jets-pavelec-out-until-january-at-earliest-1.398538 Offer up Howard, Helm, Smith (or Kindl) & Dman prospect....done! Howard, Ericsson, Nyquist, and Miller. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,908 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Wow, Nyquist? If you're throwing E in there, shouldn't have to include Nyquist. Howard, E, Helm, Sproul... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Wow, Nyquist? If you're throwing E in there, shouldn't have to include Nyquist. Howard, E, Helm, Sproul... Yah, just like the 15 mil salary dump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Why would you give up so much for 1 year of Buff... then you get market value for the guy which will gouge our team for like 3 years. Getting a guy under contract is key It's unbelievable how many great defensemen we missed out on that are doing great for their new teams. Holland and co have a good eye for defensemen, just can't cash in Bouwmeester, Niskanen, Suter... We'd look like a real contender with one of these guys right now... or if CBJ took that offer for Nash, I believe it was Flippula, Nyqvist, Smith Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Now is the time to sweetin a deal for Byfuglien.... http://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-inadequate-goaltending-hurts-jets-grade-1.398534 http://www.tsn.ca/jets-pavelec-out-until-january-at-earliest-1.398538 Offer up Howard, Helm, Smith (or Kindl) & Dman prospect....done! I was going to bring up WPG goaltending in the goalie thread, Pavelec hasn't been very good anyway. I think it does create a nice potential match, but I think the Hamonic situation is going to get most of the Jets situation. Not sure Buffy would be something NYI would want, they'd probably want Trouba, maybe Myers. Howard, Ericsson, Nyquist, and Miller. Crazy over-payment. Maybe I'd consider it if they added Ladd, though I'd push for Wheeler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 No, I definitely wouldn't, however I'm sure there are many here that would in a heartbeat. I just hope Holland stays away... Usually I'm not against signing players to 7, 8 years but a guy who isn't in great-shape, overweight and getting up in age? Whichever team is going to offer something like 7x7 will deeply regret it sooner than later, if he doesn't take his fitness-level more seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,469 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Doesn't Howard have a full ntc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Howard has a NTC up until the final season of his contract (2018-19) but can supply a 10 team no-trade list up until then. I would think if Howard is relegated to a backup role in Detroit behind Mrazek over the next year or two, he would be more than willing to help himself and the team out in a trade to a team that he could win back the starting role. There are always going to be teams that need an upgrade in goaltending, whether or not the team believes Howard is their guy, and are willing to give up the assets to get him is another question. I think three Western Canadian (Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary) teams would be a good fit, but would all three be on Jimmy's no-trade list? I think if you dig deep enough there's always a trading partner and no player is truly untradeable... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Howard has a NTC up until the final season of his contract (2018-19) but can supply a 10 team no-trade list up until then. I would think if Howard is relegated to a backup role in Detroit behind Mrazek over the next year or two, he would be more than willing to help himself and the team out in a trade to a team that he could win back the starting role. There are always going to be teams that need an upgrade in goaltending, whether or not the team believes Howard is their guy, and are willing to give up the assets to get him is another question. I think three Western Canadian (Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary) teams would be a good fit, but would all three be on Jimmy's no-trade list? I think if you dig deep enough there's always a trading partner and no player is truly untradeable... Do you still do it if they want Mrazek? Howard leaving works perfectly for us, but not for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 If who wants Mrazek? Winnipeg? If the question is, would I trade Mrazek for Byfuglien... the answer is Hell No! As I said earlier in the thread, I'm not that high on Byfuglien so I wouldn't give up much for him, let alone one of the top young goaltenders in the entire league... Would I trade Mrazek for a young elite offensive defenseman like Klingberg or Faulk? I'd definitely consider it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) I sure as hell wouldn't trade Mrazek for Dustin. See a few pages back for some discussion regarding that potential trade perspective. An elite goalie, which I'd say he's likely to develop into when in his prime, trumps any player outside the net. Don't give a s*** who it is. You don't find them often. And when you do, you better hold on to them tigher than grandma held you on Sundays. To clarify, I can see him becoming Price, Hasek, Roy level. If you trade that youre gonna have hatemail coming in even after World War 3. Edited November 24, 2015 by Jacksoni Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Talks are going to start with Mrazek, Mantha, or maybe Svechnikov. People who think Howard is a good starting block for trade talks are definitely seeing things thru rose colored glasses. Gotta give to get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 This is a Byfuglien thread but you certainly cannot be talking about Byff, if you're talking about them wanting Mrazek, Mantha or Svechnikov... Sure, they may want them, but realistically they know they'll never get that sort of return in a trade for a pending UFA... If Byfuglien is traded before the deadline, he will go for a roster player and a mid level prospect or pick. No one is giving up top players or top prospects for a guy that can bolt a few months later. So no, Winnipeg will not get a Mrazek type goaltender, nor will they get a Nyquist type player, or Mantha / Svechnikov type prospect... Not going to happen... 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 I'll say it again, and you can try to refute it all you want, doesn't change the fact that Howard is a good goaltender and he is very tradable. There are a handful of teams that would love to have a goalie like Howard, whether or not Winnipeg is one of them, I'm not sure, but he is an upgrade over anything they have right now... Regardless, I think it would be a mistake to trade Howard at this point, unless we are getting an above average backup in return. I think we should wait until at least this offseason to move Jimmy... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Regardless, I think it would be a mistake to trade Howard at this point, unless we are getting an above average backup in return. I think we should wait until at least this offseason to move Jimmy... Yep. At the earliest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Mrazek is most likely going to go to arbitration in the summertime so keeping Jimmy for the year will keep his salary down. Good situation for us Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,908 Report post Posted November 25, 2015 Wow, with a trade package like Mrazk, Mantha and Svechnikov, the title of this thread should be "What will it take to get Suter?" Ok, as long as we are talking like that, try this out.... You trade Howard in a package to acquire Byfuglien, then sign Emery to back up Mrazek through the rest of the season, in July you bring home Miller for a modest salary to be Mraz's permanent B/U for a couple of years... Of course you then re-sign Drew so they can play together. Get it done! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 25, 2015 Wow, with a trade package like Mrazk, Mantha and Svechnikov, the title of this thread should be "What will it take to get Suter?" Ok, as long as we are talking like that, try this out.... You trade Howard in a package to acquire Byfuglien, then sign Emery to back up Mrazek through the rest of the season, in July you bring home Miller for a modest salary to be Mraz's permanent B/U for a couple of years... Of course you then re-sign Drew so they can play together. Get it done! Ha ha ha. You got me steaming mildly, even tho i know youre trying to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites