GDT 10/30 GDT : Ottawa Senators 3 at Red Wings 1

[kickazz 5,459]

. I can't wait to see him back on the ice. Hes probably one of the smartest players to ever play the game, and hell help calm the team down...

I love z as a captain, he's literally doing everything he possibly can every night, even to the point of throwing his body around which is crazy, but I always kind of looked at the c as being shared with him and Pavel. Pav doesn't speak the best English, so z was kind of the obvious choice to wear it, but they compliment each other amazingly well.

Z shows you what to do, pav shows you how to do it.

Basically is Yzerman and Fedorov comparison to be honest. I look at Z and Pav as the modern version of them. One is well past his prime works on sheer will and puts everything out there the other is just so skilled and goood even after his prime he can make your jaw drop.

When Dats comes back I sort of want him with Z for a bit and have Larkin center 2nd line. See what happens with that. But I assume popular opinion would want Dats to center without Z on his line.

Idk I'm back and forth. Just want him to play lol.

Edited October 31, 2015 by kickazz

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

1.Really? You'd rather us suck, than make the right changes to get over the hump?

2.You got any more excuses for the team?

3.What? Howard was the only guy who did play great. Did you watch?

4.Who is new on the team and is constantly there? Blashill.

This isn't rocket science.

5.Both teams play in the back-to-backs, you do realize this right? So tiredness is a dumb excuse.

1. Re-read what she said, and before jumping to irrational hostility because you think she called you out, think about it.

She didn't say that she wants them to suck, she said she'd rather them suck than not have the balls to try and get better.

Babs wasn't taking us to the next level, we moved on and were going with blash. I get that you think that he's the common denominator in the problems with the team, but what do you suggest. firing the guy after 10 games?

Then who are you gonna bring in to coach?

What's going to happen at the twenty game mark when that doesnt work?

Fire him too? Keep running through the Rolodex of coaches that are okay with having to make the team a contender within ten games or be fired?

Have some resolve man, when things don't go your way you don't throw in the towel and move onto the next thing.

This is the Detroit red wings, have a little faith.

2. Yes. Plenty more.

Hockey is a complex game, you can call them excuses if you'd like, but fine. They're excuses.

What's the reason for the current play?

Since you're going to say Blashill, fine.

Its all Jeff Blashill.

Once again, how do you suggest the person we bring in fix the problem?

Prepare the team better during the 3 days off before your next game.

Cool.

Go through the tape with them, run them through it in practice, apply it in game. It needs tweaking? You have three more days, and now you can't skate them as hard because you don't want them to have dead legs for the back to backs.

3. Yeah, Howard played great.

But the last game they played was with Mrazek in net, And his puck handling does change the way you execute the break out of your zone. Its not that howards way is worse, but it is different, so add that to the list of tweaks you have to make.

Blash needs to stick with a goalie for now and play him when the games are spaced out, that way you get a rhythm, but he's a new coach, and there is a legitimate competition for the number one spot. So do you choose one over the other, or do you stick to your guns and let them actually have a fair chance at the #1 spot?

Is that an excuse, or should he actually wait it out and see who gives the team the best chance?

Argue that blash needs to just choose one and stick with it like babs would do, (the tie goes to the vet) Would that be the best decision for the team or would you rather us make the right changes to get us over the hump?

4. You're correct, rocket science is exact. And There is no formula for a successful team.

But when the rockets are unsuccessful engineers don't consider it an excuse to throw away the blueprints, they take the steps to fix the problems.

5. If our biggest problem going forward is how to play the Ottawa senators two nights in a row then you might have a point, but the goal is to take the team the team Babcock hasn't gotten out of the second round with since 2009 to the next level.

Also once again, think about what was said instead of just jumping on it because you think its against what you believe.

"Not only are we tired for the 2nd game, it also takes away the time to watch tape on the upcoming team and the time to correct mistakes in practice from the previous game."

We've had back to backs followed by games three days apart, and only once has that schedule deviated down to two games between.

Even if you do all the prep work and practicing to fix the problems you still have to apply it to a game to see how it works. So then you have to go through the whole process over again, but now you

can't practice it without risking tiring their legs out for the upcoming back to back games.

The schedule is essentially limiting Blashill to one game a week to properly prepare changes to make the team better.

Mike Babcock, widely considered to be one of, if not the best coach in hockey only got one cup with a team that had lidstrom, PEAK datsyuk,zetterberg, and Franzen as well as a laundry list of ridiculously talented and varied depth behind them.

This team needs to be better than it has been, because making the playoffs is a high priority.

But we need to make it past the second round, because that's been mediocre for the wings for a while now, and since when did wings fans become accepting of mediocrity?

Edited October 31, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Basically is Yzerman and Fedorov comparison to be honest. I look at Z and Pav as the modern version of them. One is well past his prime works on sheer will and puts everything out there the other is just so skilled and goood even after his prime he can make your jaw drop.

When Dats comes back I sort of want him with Z for a bit and have Larkin center 2nd line. See what happens with that. But I assume popular opinion would want Dats to center without Z on his line.

Idk I'm back and forth. Just want him to play lol.

We've been spoiled with amazing players, for sure.

And I'm sure well see white a few different line combinations while blash tries to find the best lineup, I just want Larkin to soak up everything he can from the two.

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

Really? You'd rather us suck, than make the right changes to get over the hump?

You got any more excuses for the team?

What? Howard was the only guy who did play great. Did you watch?

Who is new on the team and is constantly there? Blashill.

This isn't rocket science.

Both teams play in the back-to-backs, you do realize this right? So tiredness is a dumb excuse.

You are being pretty pathetic.

[e_prime 1,936]

@jimmyemeryhunter I like it when you write novels. Seriously.

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[Rivalred 630]

They played like s*** last night

[wings4thecup06 504]

After thinking about this and re-wathcing and being immensely frustrated post game, here's what I see are the issues:

1. The wings forechecking is shocking - literally, all night long, the Senators D had tons of time to make plays and break out of their own zone, constantly killing any chance the Wings had to get zone time. Our forwards seemed to be floating around the slot waiting for the puck to be coughed up, or standing around the half boards waiting for the play to go back the other way. Not good enough. They need to pressure the D men so they can create turnovers and maintain offensive zone time.

2. No net front presence at all. When they were in the zone, and got shots (which they did well at times), there was no one in front. There were a couple of glorious chances where you could see the guy move OUT of the way of Hammond so he could make a save. A couple of point shots with no one at all anywhere close to the front. This has to change. They need to simply work harder to get to the net to create some screens and havoc.

3. Puck retrieval in both zones was atrocious. In the O zone, the wings were just not skating to win the puck back first along the boards. This isn't necessarily an issue of size, it's work ethic and skating. And to go along with this, a complete lack of puck support also when these plays happened.

And in the D zone, again, our forwards seemed to be static, just watching Ottawa retrieve the puck, while our D looked too tired to battle along the boards for it.

4. Poor decision making with the puck. This was horrendous. The number of times I saw Kindl cough the puck up (and many other D men - especially DK, and Ericsson) in our own zone, killing a break out, lengthening the shift, tiring guys out was a joke. Ottawa forechekced well and created pressure and our D kept tossing it right back to them. They need to make quicker, faster decisions, tape to tape.

The only good things I'm seeing right now our Larkin and our Goalies, plus the work ethic of Z. They need to clamp down on these fundamentals and frankly, work harder. We're going to get slaughtered if we keep playing like this when we play better teams.

[wings7 62]

I feel like a lot of you who are constantly coming after my opinions, which is fine, have not played hockey before.

That's just my guess though.

Going through the tape? What is this, football?

It's not about tape. We just need to actually play with fire. And Blashill has to be held responsible for not making that happen. Because we're not going to fire all the players.

I agree, with pick one goalie. Pick Mzrazek. But than trade Howard. We should've traded Howard in the offseason. Do that man a favor and let him play. He's not a backup.

I don't think I sound pathetic. I'm a huge fan of the team. I care a lot. I flew down to TB for game 5 from Detroit last year. I flew to Chicago for game 5 from Florida a few years ago while living there. Not only do I love this team, but I make the effort and spend my hard earned money to go to games and watch live. I think I've earned the right to speak up. Especially on a message board. Which has the word message in it.

I get it, no one thinks like me on here. We'll be fine. Don't panic. The Wings are close. Or we're in transition this year. Or whatever else. Yes, with those two additions, a right handed D man and a veteran center, I expected at least as far as last season.

4-5-1.

That's our record. Under .500 for those playing at home. I'm allowed to be mad. Just not here, apparently.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Really? You'd rather us suck, than make the right changes to get over the hump?

You got any more excuses for the team?

What? Howard was the only guy who did play great. Did you watch?

Who is new on the team and is constantly there? Blashill.

This isn't rocket science.

Both teams play in the back-to-backs, you do realize this right? So tiredness is a dumb excuse.

I feel like a lot of you who are constantly coming after my opinions, which is fine, have not played hockey before.

That's just my guess though.

Going through the tape? What is this, football?

It's not about tape. We just need to actually play with fire. And Blashill has to be held responsible for not making that happen. Because we're not going to fire all the players.

I agree, with pick one goalie. Pick Mzrazek. But than trade Howard. We should've traded Howard in the offseason. Do that man a favor and let him play. He's not a backup.

I don't think I sound pathetic. I'm a huge fan of the team. I care a lot. I flew down to TB for game 5 from Detroit last year. I flew to Chicago for game 5 from Florida a few years ago while living there. Not only do I love this team, but I make the effort and spend my hard earned money to go to games and watch live. I think I've earned the right to speak up. Especially on a message board. Which has the word message in it.

I get it, no one thinks like me on here. We'll be fine. Don't panic. The Wings are close. Or we're in transition this year. Or whatever else. Yes, with those two additions, a right handed D man and a veteran center, I expected at least as far as last season.

You were quite disrespectful in your responses that's why you got called pathetic. You called my comment a "dumb excuse" (although you misunderstood' what I wrote). You questioned whether someone was even watching, and the "Really?" and "any more excuses" is just needlessly contemptuous of other's opinions. Now you question if we've played hockey, because, of course, if our opinions are not yours we must be lacking some qualifications.

Hockey teams do watch tape and make a game plan based on matchups and augmentations to parts of their strategy (maybe harder forecheck against certain teams, maybe take advantage of a goalie who doesn't handle the puck, goalies look at shooter's tendencies...etc). And they do go over tape of the past game and show the players certain mistakes and how they can fix them. I'm pretty sure we have one person whose sole job it is to compile tapes for players - at least we did last year.

Edited October 31, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

I feel like a lot of you who are constantly coming after my opinions, which is fine, have not played hockey before.

That's just my guess though.

Going through the tape? What is this, football?

It's not about tape. We just need to actually play with fire. And Blashill has to be held responsible for not making that happen. Because we're not going to fire all the players.

I agree, with pick one goalie. Pick Mzrazek. But than trade Howard. We should've traded Howard in the offseason. Do that man a favor and let him play. He's not a backup.

I don't think I sound pathetic. I'm a huge fan of the team. I care a lot. I flew down to TB for game 5 from Detroit last year. I flew to Chicago for game 5 from Florida a few years ago while living there. Not only do I love this team, but I make the effort and spend my hard earned money to go to games and watch live. I think I've earned the right to speak up. Especially on a message board. Which has the word message in it.

I get it, no one thinks like me on here. We'll be fine. Don't panic. The Wings are close. Or we're in transition this year. Or whatever else. Yes, with those two additions, a right handed D man and a veteran center, I expected at least as far as last season.

4-5-1.

That's our record. Under .500 for those playing at home. I'm allowed to be mad. Just not here, apparently.

Be mad.

Be worried.

And tell us about it, go into detail if you need to get it off your chest, rant and rave about the team. People will talk about it with you, there's a lot of people worried too.

But you're talking down to people constantly, like they're below you, responding to their opinions trying to demean their perspective because its not yours. And I don't like it. What's worse is you're not even properly responding to them. I don't known if you're not actually reading what theyre saying or if youre just not comprehending it but seriously, every single comment you've posted lately in response to someone is condescending and completely unnecessary.

Feel like people are ganging up on you?

Maybe try not acting like you're smarter than them because they're not freaking out like you.

Also I said let them compete for the job, not arbitrarily choose one. The one who's going to give the team the best chance at winning is the one that needs to start. Right now we don't know which one that is, and just picking one out of a hat takes us backwards, not forward.

And I would go look up all the times coaches say "we gotta go through the tapes and see what they were doing in detail, blahblahblah," but you strike me as a person who just puts his fingers in his ears when you get proved wrong anyway.

Its good you're a huge fan.

But so is everyone else here. And they deserve some semblance of your respect when you talk to them.

Edited October 31, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[wings7 62]

Also I said let them compete for the job, not arbitrarily choose one. The one who's going to give the team the best chance at winning is the one that needs to start. Right now we don't know which one that is, and just picking one out of a hat takes us backwards, not forward.

I agreed with you. But I'm not listening at all, am I?

From the get go, I've been called out. Go back to the tape and look.