rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 4, 2015 Yah, McDavid and Larkin should be developing in the ECHL. Youre right, bro. I'm always 50/50 on whether to take you seriously or not. With the former option in mind I'd like to point out that Larkin and McDavid are playing big minutes. You want to play Athanasiou on the 4th line. Silly. In fact, that mentality makes "an-ath-of-you". 2 e_prime and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted November 4, 2015 I'm always 50/50 on whether to take you seriously or not. With the former option in mind I'd like to point out that Larkin and McDavid are playing big minutes. You want to play Athanasiou on the 4th line. Silly. In fact, that mentality makes "an-ath-of-you". People seem to think speed = 4th line 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 Interesting topic. Similar to the topic a while back about stay-at-home defensemen. Defensive specialist may be an over-valued role. At the risk of fueling Bill's Miller-fire, the core concept of playing your most skilled players could be a better philosophy. Many top players already take a lot of defensive responsibility. With advanced metrics, we could see an evolution toward more of that, and players lie Abby and Sheahan becoming more valuable, while players like Miller and Glendening fall out of favor. More top-6 guys who can do it all, and more skill-oriented bottom-6 guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 Interesting topic. Similar to the topic a while back about stay-at-home defensemen. Defensive specialist may be an over-valued role. At the risk of fueling Bill's Miller-fire, the core concept of playing your most skilled players could be a better philosophy. Many top players already take a lot of defensive responsibility. With advanced metrics, we could see an evolution toward more of that, and players lie Abby and Sheahan becoming more valuable, while players like Miller and Glendening fall out of favor. More top-6 guys who can do it all, and more skill-oriented bottom-6 guys. Exactly!!! People act like Datsyuk and Zetterberg never killed a penalty. It's the opposite. When our pk was nails, we had 1 of those guys paired with a speedster. Now, our pk is blaugh, and everyone thinks Miller is indispensible because he blocks some shots. Woopie. How about drawing penalties with a killer fast 4th line instead of taking them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) Exactly!!! People act like Datsyuk and Zetterberg never killed a penalty. It's the opposite. When our pk was nails, we had 1 of those guys paired with a speedster. Now, our pk is blaugh, and everyone thinks Miller is indispensible because he blocks some shots. Woopie. How about drawing penalties with a killer fast 4th line instead of taking them? Datsyuk and Zetterberg were in fact our best penalty killers for nearly a decade there. But it's impossible to have both of them kill any more penalties at their age. The last time they were our penalty killers was in 2013 when they were around age 32/34. I'm sure if they were asked to kill penalties they would do a better job than our current PK guys. But what's the point? To get them tired so they can't generate any offense? Our star players are too old to do it all at this point. This is where Glendennings and Millers come in. We don't really have any good PK guys that are top 6 besides those two. Buppy mentioned Abby and Sheahan although I'm not sure if Sheahan would be better than Glendenning or Miller. Edited November 6, 2015 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 Salary cap will always keep good defensive players employed. Teams can't afford 4 lines of scoring forwards. Even in the days of no caps every team had a checking line, including us who had the best one in the late 90's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 Datsyuk and Zetterberg were in fact our best penalty killers for nearly a decade there. But it's impossible to have both of them kill any more penalties at their age. The last time they were our penalty killers was in 2013 when they were around age 32/34. I'm sure if they were asked to kill penalties they would do a better job than our current PK guys. But what's the point? To get them tired so they can't generate any offense? Our star players are too old to do it all at this point. This is where Glendennings and Millers come in. We don't really have any good PK guys that are top 6 besides those two. Buppy mentioned Abby and Sheahan although I'm not sure if Sheahan would be better than Glendenning or Miller. You yourself have called Athanasiou a top 6 player. What's wrong with him? Why does it HAVE to be Drew Miller?? "He sucks at everything else" is NOT a good reason to play somebody on the penalty kill. And why do we need to cut our 12 into top and bottom? Cant we have a top 12 instead of a top 6? Why would you play a bottom 6 guy over a top 6 guy at any point if their defensive abilities were equal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 Exactly!!! People act like Datsyuk and Zetterberg never killed a penalty. It's the opposite. When our pk was nails, we had 1 of those guys paired with a speedster. Now, our pk is blaugh, and everyone thinks Miller is indispensible because he blocks some shots. Woopie. How about drawing penalties with a killer fast 4th line instead of taking them? Not really, we've always had grinders as key components of the PK, and our decline is probably more attributable to the loss of Lidstrom, But I'm not really talking about just the PK either. Datsyuk and Zetterberg were in fact our best penalty killers for nearly a decade there. But it's impossible to have both of them kill any more penalties at their age. The last time they were our penalty killers was in 2013 when they were around age 32/34. I'm sure if they were asked to kill penalties they would do a better job than our current PK guys. But what's the point? To get them tired so they can't generate any offense? Our star players are too old to do it all at this point. This is where Glendennings and Millers come in. We don't really have any good PK guys that are top 6 besides those two. Buppy mentioned Abby and Sheahan although I'm not sure if Sheahan would be better than Glendenning or Miller. Again, not just talking about the PK, nor that Dats and Z should be primary Pkers. More just a general philosophy of prioritizing two-way players, which many teams already do quite a bit, but prioritizing skill more in the bottom of the lineup. Salary cap will always keep good defensive players employed. Teams can't afford 4 lines of scoring forwards. Even in the days of no caps every team had a checking line, including us who had the best one in the late 90's. Some for sure, as much for a lack of talent to go around as for cap concerns. But maybe not as many. We're already seeing the end of enforcers. The days of stay-at-home shot-blocking crease-clearers may be numbered as well. Guys who can contribute on offense, like Abby, Sheahan, maybe could include Helm in there. Glenny might get there eventually. And of course the elite two-way players. Those guys will always have jobs. But for the last few spots, instead of playing all of Miller, Ferraro, and Andersson you can play a guy like Jurco or another kid. Maybe even a really stacked team has enough two-way talent to not need even one of them, at least for a short time before the cap catches up to them. Not expecting a super dramatic change, but just a bit more evolution towards more skill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 29, 2021 Whatever happened to all these people? 1 Scott R Lucidi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 450 Report post Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Whatever happened to all these people? Bark made friends with kickazz and chased him away. Berzeench retired to the Seychelles. Edited July 29, 2021 by Scott R Lucidi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 29, 2021 5 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said: Emdog RIP Glendog RIP HAIL Troydog HAIL! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted July 29, 2021 Where did the disney.com moniker come from? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 28, 2023 Glendog is hitting UFA... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 222 Report post Posted June 28, 2023 3 hours ago, bIueadams said: Glendog is hitting UFA... I would do a 1 year deal. Slot him on the 4th line. Use him instead of Larkin on PK. Give him defensive zone faceoffs. And trade him for a 3rd at the TDL. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 28, 2023 On 11/3/2015 at 11:15 AM, Bill Berzeench said: Two fricking words - Drew Miller. Bring Athanasiou up and get Datsyuk back and all this CRAP goes away. Glendening-Helm-Athanasiou is a 4th line I pay attention to if Im the opposing coach. Ferraro-Glendening-Miller is a line I look to rip to shreds if Im the opposing coach. There is zero offensive threat with that current 4th line. Zero. With 3 speedsters, we change that. Corsi percentage will go up by backing the other team off with speed. Right now, the other team can leave Miller and Ferraro uncovered and it makes ZERO difference. Try that with Athanasiou, and you'll get burned. You were the man, Bill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
