Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

[DickieDunn 2,571]

So if Abby wanted 8 years and Holland wanted 5, would you naysayers have told Abby to walk? I'm not thrilled with the term but I'm happy for Abby that he'll retire a wing. These 4M contracts aren't back breaking even if he does regress badly in his final years. People act like Holland has decided to replace Datsyuk with Abby because of this deal. He's paid like a secondary player

Yes, I would have let him go jst like they let Lapointe go.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Abby was going to be a career Red Wing one way or another. Holland could have either done it with one contract and prevented other teams from making offers and potentially running up his cost on subsequent deals, or he could have done it with multiple 2-3 year deals while matching his cap hit more closely to his year to year value. Either way works fine for me.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Actually, my statement said the same thing as yours.

Back on topic. Here's a perspective on Abby's deal, though I can already hear the Puck-Daddy-is-the-Helene-St-James-of-Yahoo-Sports cries.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/why-justin-abdelkader-s-extension-is-one-of-the-worst-contracts-in-the-nhl--trending-topics-193122954.html

Come on. You originally said Hollands success was due to others - I showed an example of him drafting well without (and better) than one you were giving credit to. Then you said 13 other teams also missed out on Larkin - You were obviously trying to say that it doesn't show an edge in drafting for Holland over Nill because it happens often or maybe that drafting is luck. That's not what I said at all. Holland gets credit.

To me, the "13 other teams" statement just means that other team's scouting staffs also didn't recognize the talent or that they also got really high end players (Ekblad, Reinhart, Draisaitl). I don't think that statement has much meaning or relevance within our discussion of who gets credit for Holland's success.

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Abby was going to be a career Red Wing one way or another. Holland could have either done it with one contract and prevented other teams from making offers and potentially running up his cost on subsequent deals, or he could have done it with multiple 2-3 year deals while matching his cap hit more closely to his year to year value. Either way works fine for me.

Me too. Abby is a good wheeler. Detroit and Michigan guy.

[RedWingsRox 614]

If he can continue to perform at this level ... great signing. But for some reason, once you lock up someone long term with lots of zero's behind it ... the security of the contract makes players lazy. Must be human nature. Hope this doesn't turn out to be Franzen v2.0.

[Internet.Unknown 422]

Come on. You originally said Hollands success was due to others - I showed an example of him drafting well without (and better) than one you were giving credit to. Then you said 13 other teams also missed out on Larkin - You were obviously trying to say that it doesn't show an edge in drafting for Holland over Nill because it happens often or maybe that drafting is luck. That's not what I said at all. Holland gets credit.

To me, the "13 other teams" statement just means that other team's scouting staffs also didn't recognize the talent or that they also got really high end players (Ekblad, Reinhart, Draisaitl). I don't think that statement has much meaning or relevance within our discussion of who gets credit for Holland's success.

I was responding to this:

Internet.Unknown, on 13 Nov 2015 - 12:09 PM, said:

Thirteen other teams passed on Larkin too. Happens every year in the draft.

Yeah, so credit go to our scouts and GM for recognizing a great player. We missed out on Subban. Credit to Montreal for recognize a potentially great player. That's what good drafting is. I don't think your statement says anything at all.

[LeftWinger 4,961]

Actually Bill, Abby is a Norton Shores and Michigan State guy....but who's keeping track!

[brett 1,029]

overpaid

[kliq 3,755]

overpaid

Based on the market, he's not overpaid. The issue here if anything is the term.

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Based on the market, he's not overpaid. The issue here if anything is the term.

Agreed. 5 would have been more comfortable, I think.

[number9 3,297]

Hopefully this turns out to be a Franzen like deal and we get good production from him for years to come.

[kipwinger 8,524]

Hopefully this turns out to be a Franzen like deal and we get good production from him for years to come.

Well look who decided to show! How you been you mangy son of a *****?

[number9 3,297]

Well look who decided to show! How you been you mangy son of a *****?

Lol

I've been busy nursing Johan back to health, my apologies but this team isn't going anywhere without him.

[rick zombo 3,739]

Lol

I've been busy nursing Johan back to health, my apologies but this team isn't going anywhere without him.

You got suspended/banned, didn't you.

[number9 3,297]

You got suspended/banned, didn't you.

No no, I won a free 30 day "vacation"

[rick zombo 3,739]

No no, I won a free 30 day "vacation"

Lucky you. All the pain and lunacy you were spared.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Abby has to score 10 goals in the next 68 games for me to win 50 dollars

[kickazz 5,459]

Abby has to score 10 goals in the next 68 games for me to win 50 dollars

Imagine he doesnt. Lol.

[number9 3,297]

Lucky you. All the pain and lunacy you were spared.

Meh I'm a glutton for pain and lunacy. I missed everybody.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Imagine he doesnt. Lol.

Would be pretty impressively bad but who knows if he encounters injury problems... Knock on wood

I think he'll flirt around 23 like last year. He has to with his PP time and line mates and his ice time per game. He has 5 goals in 16 games on a team that can't score. That's no bad, his 5 goals are pretty key for a team like us. I expect our scoring to get better obviously or else we're not making the playoffs that's for sure... Knock on wood

[kickazz 5,459]

I think Abby will replicate last year if he stays healthy. He has all the tools like you mentioned. If he's demoted to 4th line though I'm not so sure.

You got suspended/banned, didn't you.

No no, I won a free 30 day "vacation"

No wonder you left mid Franzen thread exactly a month ago. Very unlike you. Hah.

Welcome back.

Edited November 16, 2015 by kickazz

[joesuffP 1,746]

I think he will replicate last year if he stays healthy. He has all the tools like you mentioned. If he's demoted to 4th line though I'm not so sure.

I never watched the last game was he demoted? I think the last thing Blash should be doing is "sending messages" to key players right now a la Michelle Therrien. Who knows, with the role our 4th line plays it's hardly a demotion. In the end I want to see Abby do well and I want to get 50 dollars as well

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

I never watched the last game was he demoted? I think the last thing Blash should be doing is "sending messages" to key players right now a la Michelle Therrien. Who knows, with the role our 4th line plays it's hardly a demotion. In the end I want to see Abby do well and I want to get 50 dollars as well

I'm not sure that it's him sending a message more than it was just him trying anything to see if it'd work. If I recall he didn't stay in the 4th for long.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Meh I'm a glutton for pain and lunacy. I missed everybody.

Well we didn't miss you! Who do you think you are to just disappear without a trace for a whole month without telling anybody! Kip and I were worried sick! He thought you joined a gang or got caught up in those drugs and hippy-hop music. Its been rough without you here. I dont think we can keep living like this. I deserve better. Its over. There I said it. Go hang out with that hussy BOS for all I care.

[Smite 399]

My wife and I named our first daughter Abby. Not after player, we just liked the name. After he signed I wanted to get her a number 8 jersey. I finally got around to it.

She loves it!!