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Bill Berzeench

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What's there to be busted about? You think Holland is a bad GM because he signed players that were predicted to have a decent upside? Hah. Ok.

Let's put some perspective in that head of yers. Lets say we sign Danny D like EVERYONE is saying right away for say hmm 5 million a year.

Let's say in 2 years Danny D ends up sucking.

Now let's say we ship Howard off and sign Mrazek to I don't know, 6 million for 8 years. Let's say in just 1 year Mrazek starts sucking.

Ah this is when the hindsight bias sets in. "Blame Holland! It's his fault we signed that s**** goalie Mrazek and that crappy defenseman Dekeyser!"

All the while things looked great and fans were on board when it first happened.

It's easy to be a player hater with some hindsight bias Mr. Berzeench . Nice try but there is no bust ;)

Holland has a job to do and things don't always work out the way you expect them to.

Now what would be nice is if we can ship some of these players off for a good return.

You got busted at your own game. It's ok.

Smith and Kronwall have been near perfect. That's all that matters.

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You got busted at your own game. It's ok.

Smith and Kronwall have been near perfect. That's all that matters.

Ah yes the generic response of someone who doesn't have a rebuttal. Nice try Bill you're getting there, sorry it didnt workout.

As for second the bolded statement. Near perfect? Hah! That might be a smarter analogy than using Athanasiou on the 4th line.

Remember when you thought Smith was a failure. What happened to that?

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Overall ranking including defense, hockey IQ, offense.

Kronwall

Dekeyser (yes green is better offensively than DK, but obviously DK is a much safer and less liable D-man)

Green

Quincey

Marchenko

This. From an old defense man perspective Kronwall is clearly best overall defender. Base talent level, execution, vision is a notch higher than the rest overall. Worth mentioning that Green is better than Kronner offensively.

Then you have the good specialists:

DeKeyser - good defensive player. Could develop into a good 2-way player, but won't reach Kronwall level. Good size and mobility.

Green - excellent offensive d-man but average defensively. Reached his ceiling.

Quincey - good defensive player. Below average offensive skills. Reached his ceiling.

Marchenko - good defensive player. Still raw, but has talent. Could possibly reach Kronwall level.

The rest are a notch below those listed overall and should ideally be replaced. I'm not considering our current AHL players.

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The Wings should pair Jurco and Smith together ... in Grand Rapids. They both suck and yet are beloved by some for their "potential."

(Yes, I know one's a forward and one's a defenseman).

1) Jurco is 22 and costs us next to nothing. Miller, Andersson, and Franzen are history soon. He will be a regular before too long.

2) Smith's upside is off the chart. His mistakes are also off the chart in a bad way, but he can skate, he's big, and he plays with an edge.

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Kronwall-Smith broken up. 3 game win streak buh bye.

Coincidence?? I think not. I don't know much about D-pairing but I believe each more experienced, or top 3 D-men should be in charge of one line each. Like Kronwall-Smith, Green-Marchenko and Dekeyser-Ericsson. So they're more balanced.

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1) Jurco is 22 and costs us next to nothing. Miller, Andersson, and Franzen are history soon. He will be a regular before too long.

2) Smith's upside is off the chart. His mistakes are also off the chart in a bad way, but he can skate, he's big, and he plays with an edge.

Upside? At near 27? I have upside and I'm much older. Think the Wings would give me a tryout?

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Coincidence?? I think not. I don't know much about D-pairing but I believe each more experienced, or top 3 D-men should be in charge of one line each. Like Kronwall-Smith, Green-Marchenko and Dekeyser-Ericsson. So they're more balanced.

Agreed. And Smith lost his guy on that goal and made one horrible pinch, but was nowhere near the worst defenseman out there today. Green was a holy mess and by far the worst. Ericsson was chasing the play all game, and Dekeyser had a poor game as well. Part of me thinks the wings sucked today, but the big part of me knows the Stars are good and just beat the Wings.

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Green just came off injury and imo was our best dman. I can't even recall one bad play he made. As a whole I think the defense played pretty good aside from not getting any shots through

Smith was pretty much directly responsible for 1 of their 2 goals. Their wasn't much between the two teams but nobody on defense was a holy mess but if anybody was bad it was Smith

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Green just came off injury and imo was our best dman. I can't even recall one bad play he made. As a whole I think the defense played pretty good aside from not getting any shots through

Smith was pretty much directly responsible for 1 of their 2 goals. Their wasn't much between the two teams but nobody on defense was a holy mess but if anybody was bad it was Smith

This. All day long.

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Green just came off injury and imo was our best dman. I can't even recall one bad play he made. As a whole I think the defense played pretty good aside from not getting any shots through

Smith was pretty much directly responsible for 1 of their 2 goals. Their wasn't much between the two teams but nobody on defense was a holy mess but if anybody was bad it was Smith

Yah, nobody says hey, Nyquist was a minus 3 and was picking his ass the whole game instead of helping Smith and the Defense. They look at the only guy trying to play defense out there while 4 other red wings are ready for lazy boys. Smith isnt Lidstrom. Get over it.

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