kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted November 13, 2015 I was reading an article by Chuck Klosterman recently, and thought this would be a fun discussion. It's simple, identify the nemesis AND archenemy for various Red Wings. But first, a few points of clarification... "You're probably asking yourself, How do I know the difference between my nemesis and my archenemy? Here is the short answer: You kind of like your nemesis, despite the fact that you despise him. If your nemesis invited you out for cocktails, you would accept the offer. If he died, you would attend his funeral and--privately--you might shed a tear over his passing. But you would never have drinks with your archenemy, unless you were attempting to spike his gin with hemlock. If you were to perish, your archenemy would dance on your grave, and then he'd burn down your house and molest your children. If this distinction seems confusing, just ask your girlfriend to explain it in detail; women have always intuitively grasped the nemesis/archenemy dichotomy. Every woman I've ever known has had at least one close friend whose only purpose in life is to criticize her actions, compete for the attention of men, and drive her insane; very often, this is a woman's best friend. Every woman also has a former friend (usually someone from high school with large breasts) whom she has loathed for years (and whom she will continue to loath with the intensity of a thousand suns, even if she sees her only once every ten years). This is her archenemy. Women intrinsically understand human dynamics, and this makes them unstoppable. In the 1980s, Larry Bird's nemesis was Magic Johnson, and it was always beautiful when they tangled. But Bird's archenemy wasn't Magic; it was Isiah Thomas. When the Celtics played the Pistons, it was a train wreck, and it went deeper than basketball: In 1987, Isiah supported Dennis "Rush" Rodman when he claimed Bird was famous only because he was white. Larry forgave Isiah in public, but he still iced him in the end; the first thing Bird did after becoming president of the Pacers was fire Zeke as head coach. Steve Jobs is Bill Gates's nemesis, but if Gates had only one bullet in his revolver, he'd shoot David Boies. J.R. Ewing was at war with nemesis/brother Bobby for twelve seasons (thirteen if you count the year Victoria Principal dreamed he was dead), but Cliff Barnes was the true Minotaur of Southfork. Jack White turned Von Bondies singer Jason Stollsteimer's face into a speed bag, but Stollsteimer barely even deserves nemesis stature; White's archenemy is Ryan Adams (although he'd be better off if it were Julian Casablancas of the Strokes). The Joker was Batman's nemesis, but--ironically--his archenemy was Superman, since Superman made Batman seem entirely mortal and generally nonessential. Nobody likes to admit this, but Batman hated Superman." So, name the nemesis AND archenemy for any or all of the following: 1. The Red Wings Organization 2. Steve Yzerman 3. Nick Lidstrom 4. Chris Osgood 5. Pavel Datsyuk 6. Ken Holland 7. Mike Ilitch 8. Henrik Zetterberg 9. Johan Franzen 10. Darren McCarty 1 e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted November 13, 2015 4. N: Patrick Roy. A: LGW 2 kipwinger and rick zombo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 13, 2015 I have loved Klosterman back to his days of writing for Spin magazine whe they actually had a magazine. So, I'll at least take a partial stab 1. The Red Wings Organization AE - Colorado (the millenium version), Toronto N - Chicago 2. Steve Yzerman N - Chris Pronger, Adam Foote 3. Nick Lidstrom N - Father Time 4. Chris Osgood N - Patrick Roy 5. Pavel Datsyuk N - Corey Perry 6. Ken Holland AE - LGWs N - Bettman and the league owners 7. Mike Ilitch AE - Probably someone on city council N - Karmanos 8. Henrik Zetterberg N - Crosby 9. Johan Franzen AE - Chris Neil N - Babcock 10. Darren McCarty AE - Lemieux (although they've done semi-dude stuff in public, like TSN's "Off the Record) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) 1. The Red Wings Organization: 1995-2002 Avalanche (arch); 1995-2002 New Jersey Devils (Nemesis) 2. Steve Yzerman: Sergei Fedorov (arch); Joe Sakic (nemesis) 3. Nick Lidstrom: ? 4. Chris Osgood: The long floater (arch), Dominic Hasek (nemesis) 5. Pavel Datsyuk: ? 6. Ken Holland: ? 7. Mike Ilitch: Peter Karmanos (arch); Dan Gilbert (nemesis) 8. Henrik Zetterberg: The Selke Trophy (arch), Datsyuk (nemesis) 9. Johan Franzen: ? 10. Darren McCarty: Sobriety (arch), Lemieux (nemesis) A couple of these are actually kinda tough. Edited November 13, 2015 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sleepwalker 512 Report post Posted November 13, 2015 Red Wings biggest arch enemies? The NHL refs. Honorable mention to the "department of player safety", who wouldn't suspend anyone who took a dirty head shot at a Wing, unless the shot was with a bullet. (and even then, they'd probably have some excuse about how the Wings player put himself into the path of the bullet, and thus, no discipline) 2 NerveDamage and Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted November 13, 2015 was hoping to see my name at #9 in some capacity! 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 13, 2015 1. The Red Wings Organization: 1995-2002 Avalanche (arch); 1995-2002 New Jersey Devils (Nemesis) 2. Steve Yzerman: Sergei Fedorov (arch); Joe Sakic (nemesis) 3. Nick Lidstrom: ? N: Imperfect humans. AR: Michigan Compiled Laws 356.750. 4. Chris Osgood: The long floater (arch), Dominic Hasek (nemesis) 5. Pavel Datsyuk: ? 6. Ken Holland: ? 7. Mike Ilitch: Peter Karmanos (arch); Dan Gilbert (nemesis) 8. Henrik Zetterberg: The Selke Trophy (arch), Datsyuk (nemesis) 9. Johan Franzen: ? 10. Darren McCarty: Sobriety (arch), Lemieux (nemesis) A couple of these are actually kinda tough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FireCaptain 563 Report post Posted November 14, 2015 Dafuq does that mean? 3. Nick Lidstrom: ?N: Imperfect humans. AR: Michigan Compiled Laws 356.750. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 14, 2015 Use the interweb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted November 14, 2015 1. The Red Wings Organization N: Avalanche A: The grand conspiracy against us 2. Steve Yzerman N: Sakic A: Martin St. Louis? 3. Nick Lidstrom N: ? A: ? 4. Chris Osgood N: Roy A: Adverbs other than 'very' 5. Pavel Datsyuk N: Corey Perry A: Hat-tricks 6. Ken Holland N: LGWers A: Shootouts 7. Mike Ilitch N: John Oliver (anyone see that segment against publicly funded arenas?) A: Domino's 8. Henrik Zetterberg N: Crosby, Shea Weber, Toews A: Beard trimmers of the world 9. Johan Franzen N: Chris Neil, Babcock A: Patrick Kane's mouthguard 10. Darren McCarty N: The turtle A: Those people he put a restraining order on 2 derblaueClaus and kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATIEBARTHEDOOR24 426 Report post Posted November 14, 2015 Mike I N. The Aurie family or is that the other way around. McCarty N. Casinos Franzen N. Hossa Yzerman N. Pronger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
