gdt 11/16 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Senators 3 (OT)

[krsmith17 7,191]

Unbelievable. Trying to defend Green on that play? If that was a certain other player (remove the 5 on Green's jersey) and people would be freaking out, calling it the worst defensive play of the year... The favoritism for some players and blind hate for others is ridiculous...

Smith has made his fair share of boneheaded plays, but so has just about every other defenseman on this team, but yet some people go out of their way to point a finger at Smith or Ericsson, and defend some of the other defenseman...

It's mind boggling that DeKeyser's name hasn't been dragged through the mud the past few games. He has made several terrrrible plays, but it goes unnoticed. But if you changed that 65 to 2 or 52, people would be calling for their heads...

[rick zombo 3,739]

Unbelievable. Trying to defend Green on that play? If that was a certain other player (remove the 5 on Green's jersey) and people would be freaking out, calling it the worst defensive play of the year... The favoritism for some players and blind hate for others is ridiculous...

Smith has made his fair share of boneheaded plays, but so has just about every other defenseman on this team, but yet some people go out of their way to point a finger at Smith or Ericsson, and defend some of the other defenseman...

It's mind boggling that DeKeyser's name hasn't been dragged through the mud the past few games. He has made several terrrrible plays, but it goes unnoticed. But if you changed that 65 to 2 or 52, people would be calling for their heads...

Green made at least 3 plays last night that Smith could never dream of. And he's more good than bad.

DeKeyser gets the benefit of the doubt because he's good.

[krsmith17 7,191]

What's your point? Do you really think I'm trying to argue that Smith is better than Green or DeKeyser? Not even close. I'm saying that people on here (yourself included) like to look for mistakes by Smith and/or Ericsson, but turn a blind eye to the same or worse mistakes by DeKeyser and/or Green. Why not look at it objectively rather than subjectively? I think Andersson is by far the worst player we've had here in years, but if a goal is scored while he's on the ice, I'm not looking for any and every reason to blame the goal on him like people do with Smith and Ericsson. It's annoying as f***...

[joesuffP 1,746]

LGW, where people complain about people not complaining about something

Green has been our most consistent defensemen all year and also had two assists last night. His play on the puck wasn't that bad even, Bobby Ryan made a great move and that's what great players do. He Deked out three red wings remember

I do complain about Dekeseyer, he can't pass the puck at all, still great in his own zone

Smith can't score and that's what his game is tailored to to. Look at Jakub, he's in the lineup because his offensive skills outweigh his defensive lapses. Smith is just a lot of lapses

[rick zombo 3,739]

What's your point? Do you really think I'm trying to argue that Smith is better than Green or DeKeyser? Not even close. I'm saying that people on here (yourself included) like to look for mistakes by Smith and/or Ericsson, but turn a blind eye to the same or worse mistakes by DeKeyser and/or Green. Why not look at it objectively rather than subjectively? I think Andersson is by far the worst player we've had here in years, but if a goal is scored while he's on the ice, I'm not looking for any and every reason to blame the goal on him like people do with Smith and Ericsson. It's annoying as f***...

*L* I don't try to look for mistakes by Smith. They come knocking in neon.

And I've never really ever s*** on Ericsson.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Which is why I said "and/or". This isn't directed at you and only you. There are several people here that feel the need to b**** about certain players while not holding others to the same standard. Whether it's Smith vs DeKeyser or Howard vs Mrazek or Pulkkinen vs Tatar or whoever else...

And thanks for proving my point. You "never really ever s*** on Ericsson", but yet s*** on Smith every chance you get... Ericsson leads the team in turnovers with a whopping 20, next closest being Kindl with 10 and Kronwall with 9. But you never s*** on the guy that leads the team in turnovers virtually every year? No favoritism there is there?...

Why does Smith get more s***? Because he was a 1st round pick and Ericsson was a 7th? That doesn't make much sense to me. Because he's an offensive defenseman and Ericsson is a defensive defenseman? You would think you'd be harder on the guy that is actually supposed to be good at defense...

Anyway, enough about this. Kindl has looked great, Marchenko has looked good, Ericsson has looked awful aside from a couple game stretch and DeKeyser (who is my favorite defenseman on the team) has looked very bad of late.

[Nyquistfan14 489]

Really liked the way they played tonight. Loved the lines as well for the most part. If it was me these would be my lines when Richards comes back.....

Nyquist- Z- Abby

Larkin-datsyuk- pulk

Tatar- Richards- AA

Sheehan- glen- helm

I think this would be the best possible lineup for this team

[rick zombo 3,739]

Which is why I said "and/or". This isn't directed at you and only you. There are several people here that feel the need to b**** about certain players while not holding others to the same standard. Whether it's Smith vs DeKeyser or Howard vs Mrazek or Pulkkinen vs Tatar or whoever else...

And thanks for proving my point. You "never really ever s*** on Ericsson", but yet s*** on Smith every chance you get... Ericsson leads the team in turnovers with a whopping 20, next closest being Kindl with 10 and Kronwall with 9. But you never s*** on the guy that leads the team in turnovers virtually every year? No favoritism there is there?...

Why does Smith get more s***? Because he was a 1st round pick and Ericsson was a 7th? That doesn't make much sense to me. Because he's an offensive defenseman and Ericsson is a defensive defenseman? You would think you'd be harder on the guy that is actually supposed to be good at defense...

Anyway, enough about this. Kindl has looked great, Marchenko has looked good, Ericsson has looked awful aside from a couple game stretch and DeKeyser (who is my favorite defenseman on the team) has looked very bad of late.

Fair enough. You keep s***ting on those guys and I'll keep s***ting on Smith. That way, there will be s*** everywhere. Evenly distributed s***.

s***

[Jacksoni 418]

2 points. I'll take em and swallow them down immidiately.

For me, it felt more like Ottawa lost than we won. They had the momentum coming back from 3-1 and blew it. Good for us.

Datsyuk looked good first 30 minutes. Guess he blew a tire after that, gonna take some time for him to get into tip top shape.

[number9 3,297]

[Jacksoni 418]

I also make a petition that as soon as one gets available, Dylan Larkin gets an "A" on his jersey.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Did you guys notice who was on the ice in the final seconds of the game? Dats, Z and the one and only Larkin. All this experience is going to make this young kid turn into a man really fast

AA going to the net hard at the end almost brought a tear to my eye. Break neck speed and takes it to the net every opportunity

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Did you guys notice who was on the ice in the final seconds of the game? Dats, Z and the one and only Larkin. All this experience is going to make this young kid turn into a man really fast

AA going to the net hard at the end almost brought a tear to my eye. Break neck speed and takes it to the net every opportunity

Having him and Larkin down the middle for the foreseeable future almost brings tears to my eyes We got two good ones for sure.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

They need to give aa more Ice time.

He was making something happen every time he was on the ice..

[rick zombo 3,739]

Did you guys notice who was on the ice in the final seconds of the game? Dats, Z and the one and only Larkin. All this experience is going to make this young kid turn into a man really fast

AA going to the net hard at the end almost brought a tear to my eye. Break neck speed and takes it to the net every opportunity

AA needs to learn to finish though. And Larkin needs to score from normal areas. 3 of his 5 goals were from god awful angles and should never have gone in.

[kickazz 5,459]

AA needs to learn to finish though. And Larkin needs to score from normal areas. 3 of his 5 goals were from god awful angles and should never have gone in.

Yea when the league figures him out those wont work.

He has speed tho, he can adapt hopefully

[kickazz 5,459]

All bs and jokes aside on hating Smith.

The guy just makes way too many dumb mistakes to not go noticed. Hence it's easy to make fun of him and call him out.

Like Zombo and Joe said earlier. Other D-men make tons of mistakes too, but they usually have an upside that they bring MOST of the time (unlike Smith who has some good plays but a lot more of bad plays). Green is more good than bad. DK has been good in terms of his track record. Lately he's been meh. Hence he gets the benefit of the doubt. Kronwall has arguably been the best D-man since Lidstrom left - although he is also not doing so hot this year. So he too gets the benefit of the doubt.

Quincey used to get s*** on for the longest time. Up until last year when him and Dekeyser proved to be our best defensive minded defensive pairing.

Even Kindl has been proving that a coaching change was all he needed to bring in the confidence and do better. He's been our best offensive D-man as of late.

If Smith could somehow have a consistent breakout performance, I guarantee you people would appreciate him a lot more.

I remember I was probably one of the biggest Howard haters out there. Up until his 2013 performance the last 10 games or so to get into the playoffs. Even now I'm not Howie's biggest fan, but I'll always respect that performance.

Same applies to Chris Osgood and his 2008/09 performance. He really got a boost from me late in his career. (I absolutely hated him in the mid 90's he was really really inconsistent.)

Edited November 17, 2015 by kickazz

[krsmith17 7,191]

Like I said, I just find it annoying as f*** that people go out of their way to place blame on certain players. It was just as annoying when people did the same thing with Quinceg a couple years ago. And that KFQ nickname, f***ing stupid... I don't care if people like Smith or not, but don't blame the guy for every mistake (warranted or not) when you let the same type play slide for another player.

I think Andersson is absolute trash. But I don't look to place blame on him every time he is on the ice.

Smith makes some bone headed plays but those are becoming fewer and further between than in the past. The kid is improving but he never will in the eyes of some. But whatever, this is LGW after all, where the Red Wings are the best team ever after a win and the worst team ever after a loss...

[number9 3,297]

Like I said, I just find it annoying as f*** that people go out of their way to place blame on certain players. It was just as annoying when people did the same thing with Quinceg a couple years ago. And that KFQ nickname, f***ing stupid... I don't care if people like Smith or not, 1. but don't blame the guy for every mistake (warranted or not) when you let the same type play slide for another player.

I think Andersson is absolute trash. But I don't look to place blame on him every time he is on the ice.

2. Smith makes some bone headed plays but those are becoming fewer and further between than in the past. The kid is improving but he never will in the eyes of some. But whatever, this is LGW after all, where the Red Wings are the best team ever after a win and the worst team ever after a loss...

1. Warranted or not? If its warranted Smith definitely deserves the blame lol and if not he definitely doesn't. Sounds like your giving him a pass, not the other way around.

2. Well we agree that he makes bone headed plays. We disagree that they are becoming fewer and further between. Look at Kindl. Hated garbage player around since seems like forever. Now he's looking much better and getting recognition. Why hasn't Smith got the same recognition? Cause he hasn't done the first part... ya know, looking better.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Obviously he deserves some blame when it is warranted, the problem is he gets blame, even when it's not. I'm not giving him a pass at all. I curse on him when he f***s up, but I don't see a goal against and then look to see if number 2 or 52 was on the ice just so I can have someone to place the blame like some people do...

Yes, Kindl is looking much better and is getting some recognition. He is also 2 years older than Smith. Ericsson was a late bloomer and for a while there looked like a legit top 4 defenseman (still is in my opinion, despite what some others say). Kindl was a late bloomer and is finally looking like a legit defenseman. But yet, people act as if Smith is a complete bust at 26.

He may never become anything more than a number 6 defenseman, however I still think and am holding out hope that he becomes a solid top 4 defenseman. He has looked great in stretches, when paired with Kronwall or DeKeyser. The kid definitely has it in him, whether or not he reaches his full potential is entirely up to himself.

[kickazz 5,459]

But whatever, this is LGW after all, where the Red Wings are the best team ever after a win and the worst team ever after a loss...

It's not LGW man it's just internet forum posting. I'd say LGW is a lot better than HFboards. They had a "Fire Blashill"

thread the 2nd week of the season..

There's other few forums out there that have some really extreme posters. At least here, we can all get along at the end of the day.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Agreed. And for the most part some of the most knowledgeable Red Wing fans out there. f*** HFb!

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Smith is a good hockey player. If the coach cant figure out how to use 6'2", 210 lbs of fast and agressive, then that's a shame.

[number9 3,297]

Smith is a good hockey player. If the coach cant figure out how to use 6'2", 210 lbs of fast and agressive, then that's a shame.

Ah yes, It must be those dumb coaches Babcock and Blashill that can't figure out how to stop Smith from skating around like a chicken with its head cut off. It's certainly not Smith's fault.

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Ah yes, It must be those dumb coaches Babcock and Blashill that can't figure out how to stop Smith from skating around like a chicken with its head cut off. It's certainly not Smith's fault.

Why on earth would the same 2 guys and HHollan draft a chicken with its head cut off, develop him in the ahl, and play him on the top pairing in game 7s of the Stanley Cup playoffs. Some team is going to get real lucky taking Smith from us at the deadline when our older guys get injured. Gonna bite us right in the arse.