Wings Need on D and Glaring Inconsistencies

[kickazz 5,459]

I will be pissed if we give up any assets to bring Byfuglien over in a trade. I will riot if we signed him to that ludicrous contract... F*** Byfuglien! He may be worth it this year and maybe next, but he's going to free fall very soon. The guy is in terrible shape and will be 31 in a few months. Please Kenny, stay far away from any Byfuglien trade talk...

You do realize 31 is like 27 for a defenseman's age.I'd bring him if the assets were expendable for us big picture.

If he can still put up 45-55 pts and play big time defense and protect our superstars then it would be nice to have him.

Edited December 22, 2015 by kickazz

[krsmith17 7,191]

31 is like 27 for a defenseman? Ummm... Okay? Regardless of what you mean by that, the age is not the issue with me, it's the fact that I believe that his game is going to fall off big time over the next few seasons. Would I take him for spare parts? Probably, but it's going to take more than that. And I'd only do it with the understanding that it is just for a playoff run, no way do I want to sign this guy long term.

Again, the age is not the issue. Guys like Suter, Weber, Seabrook and Burns are all virtually the same age, and I'd take any one of those guys in a heartbeat. They should all be elite for another few years, Byfuglien on the other hand, I really doubt his game stays at the level it's at now, past next season...

[kickazz 5,459]

I meant that defenseman tend to last longer than forwards. 31 is not thaaat old for a Dman. It'd be different if he was like 35 asking for 8 million.

Personally I think Buff has a good 5-6 years of production left in him. Sure it will have some decline in a couple years but I'm not sure if it will be that bad. His numbers did fall a bit last season. But he also played less games.

In your opinion, Is there anyone in our system that would bring the game Buff could bring? The grit, the protectiveness, and decent scoring ability?

Anyways, it seems like one of Ladd or Buff might actually not even get signed and we may be able to make an offer without losing?

Edited December 22, 2015 by kickazz

[krsmith17 7,191]

Only time will tell, but I'd be shocked if he's half the player he's been over the past few seasons in 2-3 years from now. There's probably not a guy in the league in worse shape than him today. How can you expect a guy that likely holds that title (or close to it) to to play at an elite level into his mid 30's?

As for the question of whether or not I think there's a player in our system that plays a game like Byfuglien. Absolutely not. Do I think we need a guy that plays that way? Not really. I'd like an upgrade on the back end, but for me, it's not Byfuglien...

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Only time will tell, but I'd be shocked if he's half the player he's been over the past few seasons in 2-3 years from now. There's probably not a guy in the league in worse shape than him today. How can you expect a guy that likely holds that title (or close to it) to to play at an elite level into his mid 30's?

As for the question of whether or not I think there's a player in our system that plays a game like Byfuglien. Absolutely not. Do I think we need a guy that plays that way? Not really. I'd like an upgrade on the back end, but for me, it's not Byfuglien...

Guy plays 23 minutes a night in the nhl. Where are you getting your "out of shape" data from? It's false, so please stop using it.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Yeah, he absolutely does play big minutes right now... He's also putting up unbelievable numbers right now... That's not the point though. Do you believe he is going to be playing 23ish minutes per night and putting up 0.65ish points per game in a couple years from now? I don't. I think those numbers are going to decline rapidly. "Buff" is 260lbs. If you want to believe that is pure muscle, by all means. However, I think the guy is over weight and his game will decline at an accelerated rate over the next couple years... Of course this is just my opinion, so like I said, time will tell, but I hope we stay far far away from any Byfuglien trade talks, unless he can be had for Quincey and Andersson... which he can't...

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

I agree with krsmith. That is one terrible contract if they sign him for that or anywhere near that. I would rather pay a higher salary for less term, there is no way he is going to be effective in 3-4 years.

[MrazekFanBoy 223]

Guy is not worth 7 mil.

[Bill Berzeench 310]

The guy is EVERYTHING we need right now. We should sign him if it doesnt cost us too much.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I agree with krsmith. That is one terrible contract if they sign him for that or anywhere near that. I would rather pay a higher salary for less term, there is no way he is going to be effective in 3-4 years.

If the rumors are true and Trouba wants a long term commitment I'd rather pay him that, if the Jets play it cheap.

I'm sure a desperate team will give Big Buff whatever he wants and then begging others teams to take him of their hands in the not so distant future.

Edited December 22, 2015 by frankgrimes

[MrazekFanBoy 223]

We already have green at 6 mill and Kronner and E at what around four plus Q makes that right now and Dekeyser will likely make that when he gets his new contract don't need another d-man with a stupid contract especially when our top four is already set, even if E doesn't play there and isn't considered one he still gets paid like one.

[joesuffP 1,746]

I bet Dekeseyer signs for long term around 7M so just prepare yourselves for that. It seems LGW hasn't figured out that dmen are in short supply and get paid a lot

[kickazz 5,459]

Yea Dekeyser salary may suck. To be honest I haven't been impressed with him this year. But he hasnt been 'terrible' either.

Maybe the whole Quincey-Dekeyser pairing just brings the best out of the two.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Yea Dekeyser salary may suck. To be honest I haven't been impressed with him this year. But he hasnt been 'terrible' either.

Maybe the whole Quincey-Dekeyser pairing just brings the best out of the two.

I think the pairings needed to be switched up and DD-Kronwall will both play better together. That's what I love about Blashill, he switches the pairings and it usually makes a huge impact

[kickazz 5,459]

what about when Q is back

[Bill Berzeench 310]

I think the pairings needed to be switched up and DD-Kronwall will both play better together. That's what I love about Blashill, he switches the pairings and it usually makes a huge impact

Smith on the top pairing makes a lot of sense.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

I bet Dekeseyer signs for long term around 7M so just prepare yourselves for that. It seems LGW hasn't figured out that dmen are in short supply and get paid a lot

Only 7 defencmen in the entire league have a caphit of 7 mil or more.

That includes Doughty, Subban, Weber and Suter.

How good do you think Dekeyser is??

He's not a top 2 defenceman.

His caphit will come in right around Kronwall and Ericsson range.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Only 7 defencmen in the entire league have a caphit of 7 mil or more.

That includes Doughty, Subban, Weber and Suter.

How good do you think Dekeyser is??

He's not a top 2 defenceman.

His caphit will come in right around Kronwall and Ericsson range.

DK is a RFA so his caphit won't be astronomical, but probably on the following deal he will have a larger cap hit than Kronwall or Ericsson. Those deals were signed a while ago and they will always trend up. I do think he's a top pairing defensemen (but I like us keeping him on the 2nd pair for depth reasons). Anyway, he's only 25 and I see him developing his game more.

He hasn't been great this year but I think that's due to the fact that he's been experimenting more. Lots of times you'll catch him up with the rush of even down below the goal line in the O zone. That hasn't been his game in the past. Also, he's been switching partners a bit this year which doesn't help.

[joesuffP 1,746]

You can't compare contracts that were signed 3-4 years ago with today's especially when they were signed before they really broke out in the league. Doughty would sign for 8-10M nowadays

[kipwinger 8,518]

Dekeyser will making more money than guys a few years ago, merely as a result of cap inflation. But it won't be exorbitant because he doesn't score much.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

You can't compare contracts that were signed 3-4 years ago with today's especially when they were signed before they really broke out in the league. Doughty would sign for 8-10M nowadays

My point was there is absolutely no precedent set to indicate he will get 7 million.

Who are these RFAs who are getting 7 million avg caphit who around equal value/ability to Dekeyser?

I just don't understand what comparables you're using.

[kipwinger 8,518]

There aren't any comparables. He won't sniff 7 million. One way defensemen don't get max contracts. He will get 5.75-6 million long term. Mark it.

Edited December 22, 2015 by kipwinger

[joesuffP 1,746]

You have to factor in we'll have him under contract for his prime years where he'll be sure to improve

I think will either go 5.75M x 2 years or 6-7M x 7 years

[kipwinger 8,518]

Contracts tend to be higher money for shorter term, and lower money for longer term. Not vice versa.

[MrazekFanBoy 223]

He's not signing a two year deal LOL that's for sure unless it goes to arbitration.(highly doubt it will) I agree kip 5-6.8 mil is the range I'm thinking.