Internet.Unknown 422 Report post Posted November 21, 2015 So eighth seed teams should just give up unless you're the LA kings? Hockey more than any other sport, all 16 teams have a real shot. Eighth seed go deep all the time and every single extra playoff game makes the young guys that much better. If Larkin played with us last year against Tampa he would be a much better player at this point despite us not making it out of the first round. You start missing the playoffs it changes the environment around the team and guys like Dats probably wouldn't have stuck around Nowhere did I say 8th seeded teams should give up. I said Cinderellas don't win the Cup, which was refuting Bill's point. But if you wish to set your sails on his turbulent waters, enjoy the voyage. 2 kipwinger and jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 21, 2015 Nowhere did I say 8th seeded teams should give up. I said Cinderellas don't win the Cup, which was refuting Bill's point. But if you wish to set your sails on his turbulent waters, enjoy the voyage. Your metaphors cant stop the barrage of good points to bury your argument. Here's another one - playoff revenue. I'm sure Mike I. doesnt mind seeing the playoff games instead of playoff misses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) A team in transition that seriously lacks the entertainment value it once had. Be it in terms of skill or truculense. It's nice to see the 2 high-end prospects Larkin and Mantha developing but there will be more high end talent needed with Pasha soon gone and Z getting up there in age. So yeah the best way to describe them would be a team in transition that really could use some use toughness and nobody knows where the transition will lead but the fact is this team has won its last cup almost 7 years ago and isn't close to getting their again so Z, Pasha and Kronner likely won't won't win another cup with this team which is a shame Edited November 22, 2015 by frankgrimes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 22, 2015 .......but the fact is this team has won its last cup almost 7 years ago and isn't close to getting their again so Z, Pasha and Kronner likely won't won't win another cup with this team which is a shame You had this team losing to LA on Friday and probably gave them even less of chance last night. Yet here you are again with more of the same. So hey, why don't you wake me when one of your predictions comes true. K? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted November 22, 2015 I think it's simple, we're looking for our next Howe, Yzerman, Lidstrom, etc. player who'll lead the team. That doesn't happen over night when there's 29 teams doing the same thing. Larkin's probably that guy, but he's only 19. 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted November 22, 2015 We're starting to find our next core with Larkin and Mrazek. Just need to be patient and see what AA, Mantha and Jurco are capable of. Problem is I'm not seeing any high end talent on defense coming up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 22, 2015 We're starting to find our next core with Larkin and Mrazek. Just need to be patient and see what AA, Mantha and Jurco are capable of. Problem is I'm not seeing any high end talent on defense coming up DeKeyser, Smith, Kindl, Marchenko, Ouellet, and Jensen. These guys arent scrubs. 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted November 23, 2015 DeKeyser, Smith, Kindl, Marchenko, Ouellet, and Jensen. These guys arent scrubs. not going to rely on these two but everyone else there looks good id replace one of them with Sproul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted November 23, 2015 not going to rely on these two but everyone else there looks good id replace one of them with Sproul They are not as bad as everyone thinks!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) No, Smith and Kindl aren't as bad as many make them out to be, but the defense prospects aren't as good as some make them out to be either. Those that think that any of these kids are going to step right in and be an upgrade every night and never make mistakes, are in for a rude awakening... We need a major upgrade on the backend for our future d-core. We don't have a single top pairing defensive prospect. We have a s*** ton of top line forwards though... Edited November 23, 2015 by krsmith17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldTimeWinger 8 Report post Posted November 23, 2015 Someone with both the pain and pleasure of Stanley Cup experience said: Championships are built from the net out. Not to long ago, the Wings organizationally made a decision to employ an above average, serviceable goaltender but protect him with one of the best, staunchest defenses in the league. That is not the case today, or in the recent past. In 1996, Lidstrom, Konstantinov and Fetisov; 1997, Lidstrom, Murphy and Fetisov; 2002, Lidstrom and Chelios; 2008, Lidstrom, Rafalski and Stuart. In comparison, Kronwall, Ericcson, Green, DeKeyser, Smith, Kindl, Marchenko, Quincy, Smith are, I’m sorry, are lightweights. Pinning your hopes on Sproul (8 pts, -5, 14 games), Jensen (2 pts, -5, 14 games), Quellet (5 pts, -4, 14 games)? Not me. Just like your record, you are what your stats say you are. Our top four D-men at the quarter pole of the season: Kronwall – 34 yrs, 21 games, 7 pts, -8 Green – 30 yrs, 15 games, 7 pts, -5 DeKeyser – 25 yrs, 17 games, 4 pts, -1 Ericsson – 31 years, 7 games, 4 pts, 0 Career years not in the offing. It’s my hope DRW management realizes this deficiency and pulls the trigger on a deal that brings a true No. 1, shut down D-man to Detroit to anchor and lead this team. That's the only way they (we) can have a hope of raising the Cup again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted November 23, 2015 Someone with both the pain and pleasure of Stanley Cup experience said: Championships are built from the net out. Not to long ago, the Wings organizationally made a decision to employ an above average, serviceable goaltender but protect him with one of the best, staunchest defenses in the league. That is not the case today, or in the recent past. In 1996, Lidstrom, Konstantinov and Fetisov; 1997, Lidstrom, Murphy and Fetisov; 2002, Lidstrom and Chelios; 2008, Lidstrom, Rafalski and Stuart. In comparison, Kronwall, Ericcson, Green, DeKeyser, Smith, Kindl, Marchenko, Quincy, Smith are, I’m sorry, are lightweights. Pinning your hopes on Sproul (8 pts, -5, 14 games), Jensen (2 pts, -5, 14 games), Quellet (5 pts, -4, 14 games)? Not me. Just like your record, you are what your stats say you are. Our top four D-men at the quarter pole of the season: Kronwall – 34 yrs, 21 games, 7 pts, -8 Green – 30 yrs, 15 games, 7 pts, -5 DeKeyser – 25 yrs, 17 games, 4 pts, -1 Ericsson – 31 years, 7 games, 4 pts, 0 Career years not in the offing. It’s my hope DRW management realizes this deficiency and pulls the trigger on a deal that brings a true No. 1, shut down D-man to Detroit to anchor and lead this team. That's the only way they (we) can have a hope of raising the Cup again. Not saying you wrong, but in 2015 with a cap this is a very hard if not impossible thing to do. Not many teams are willing to get rid of a legit #1 d-man. That leaves UFA, but they dont make it there. The last time one did (Suter) Holland tried but couldnt compete with his hometown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,908 Report post Posted November 23, 2015 his WIFE'S hometown...Suter is from Wisconsin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted November 23, 2015 his WIFE'S hometown...Suter is from Wisconsin. Even harder then lol 1 Bill Berzeench reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted November 23, 2015 Not saying you wrong, but in 2015 with a cap this is a very hard if not impossible thing to do. Not many teams are willing to get rid of a legit #1 d-man. That leaves UFA, but they dont make it there. The last time one did (Suter) Holland tried but couldnt compete with his hometown.This whole thing is ridiculous:- can't sign UFAs cause of the ******* cap - can't trade for top defenders because of the cap and they are a very rare bread - with the new lottery system even tanking won't be the key to get them it's like the league wants teams to win solely based on draft luck which is killing the game. The cap is turning the job of being a GM into a nightmare If an owner is willing to spend he should be able to go out there and pay whatever he deems reasonable At some point wings will need a top guy to pair him with Danny D. but Kenny will have to work some magic to make it happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted November 23, 2015 Wings just have to get really lucky. Like Ekbald refusing to resign with Panthers. Could you imagine? We'd have an amazing core all around the same age. In 2 years... Nyquist-Larkin-Ladd Mantha-AA-Abby Jurco-Z-Pulkinnen Helm-Glen-Bertuzzi DD-Ekbald Kronwall-Green Ericsson-Marchenko 1 rick zombo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 23, 2015 Wings just have to get really lucky. Like Ekbald refusing to resign with Panthers. Could you imagine? We'd have an amazing core all around the same age. In 2 years... Nyquist-Larkin-Ladd Mantha-AA-Abby Jurco-Z-Pulkinnen Helm-Glen-Bertuzzi DD-Ekbald Kronwall-Green Ericsson-Marchenko MRAZEK Finished that off for you...... 1 NerveDamage reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,440 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Who are the Red Wings? A team that's sitting comfortably in playoff position and one who is now consistently playing well, and often beating, some of the better teams in the league. Yep, that's us. Seems like there's considerable effort being made to make this team out like its worse than it really is. Look around guys and gals. We are a good team. And the best part? We aren't even as good as we are going to be in a month or two. 6 PavelValerievichDatsyuk, sjr2012, rick zombo and 3 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,908 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Wings just have to get really lucky. Like Ekbald refusing to resign with Panthers. Could you imagine? We'd have an amazing core all around the same age. In 2 years... Nyquist-Larkin-Ladd Mantha-AA-Abby Jurco-Z-Pulkinnen Helm-Glen-Bertuzzi DD-Ekbald Kronwall-Green Ericsson-Marchenko So in two years time, you keep Erection and let all of Jensen, Sproul and XO get claimed on the waiver? I realize you are just fantasizing, about have Ekblad, but you may want to shed E's salary in order to fit Ekblad in. DD-Ekblad Kronwall-Green XO-Marchy Jensen 1 sjr2012 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Isn't Ekblad from Michigan? So in two years time, you keep Erection and let all of Jensen, Sproul and XO get claimed on the waiver? I realize you are just fantasizing, about have Ekblad, but you may want to shed E's salary in order to fit Ekblad in. DD-Ekblad Kronwall-Green XO-Marchy Jensen The bottom four didn't really matter to me. Hard to say what are defense will look like in two years, especially when we get Ekblad.... isn't he from Michigan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,908 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Yes, he is from Michigan. But he would cost a ton to sign, that's for sure! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 Ekblad is from Windsor. You know who is from Michigan though? Jacob Trouba... DeKeyser - Trouba top pair... Hell yes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,908 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Hmmmmmm, I thouht he was a Michigan kid....oh well, Windsor, close enough! Edited November 24, 2015 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Isn't Ekblad from Michigan? The bottom four didn't really matter to me. Hard to say what are defense will look like in two years, especially when we get Ekblad.... isn't he from Michigan? He's actually from Belle River which is about 20min away from Windsor out in the county. That is good for Detroit though if he ever becomes a UFA, you can drive from Joe Louis to his childhood home in less then an hour (if the border doesn't suck). http://windsorstar.com/sports/belle-rivers-aaron-ekblad-brings-calder-trophy-home Edited November 24, 2015 by kliq Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted November 24, 2015 So in two years time, you keep Erection and let all of Jensen, Sproul and XO get claimed on the waiver? I realize you are just fantasizing, about have Ekblad, but you may want to shed E's salary in order to fit Ekblad in. DD-Ekblad Kronwall-Green XO-marchy Jensen where would sproul be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites