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11/21 GDT : Red Wings at St. Louis Blues, 8:00 EST

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Hot damn! Huge 2 points. Actually lost a wager on this one, but I'll take it.

Richards starting to look good. He Is the real deal - still a top tier player, just need to get some wind and mojo going.

Pascha scored.

Our el-cheapo hobgoblin variant of Brett Hull, Pulkkinen with a knife to his throat, scored with a bullet.

Larkin scored.

Good stuff. Must have been a nice plane ride home for the Red Wings.

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You know life is good when even Glendenning scores.

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I'm just glad he One-Timed it instead of teeing it up after the pass. Now he knows, And Somebody should sit him down and go over some video with him.

P.S. Sorry for the weird capitalization in my posts; was renaming and fixing stuff in iTunes during the game and now I can't stop

He probably settles rolling pucks, which is generally a good idea. One timing rolling pucks is generally a huge fail.

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Lowest of our regular forwards. I suppose you could consider Andersson and Ferraro a regular though. 2.5 minutes less than Tatar and 3.5 less than Nyquist. In this game, he played just under 12 minutes, while Tatar and Nyquist played about 17. LA game he did play more than them, one of the few times this year. One game is hardly enough to call a trend, especially considering tonight's game.

You say he can't play defense, but his defensive metrics are among the best on the team, with similar usage to Tatar and Nyquist. You say he can't forecheck in the GDT for a game where his forecheck helped create two goals. Yeah, he's small, but no smaller than Nyquist or Tatar. And he's producing about as well as those two.

If it turns out that Tatar and Nyquist do start losing ice time to Pulks, and he's not producing enough to warrant it, then a change would be in order. But for now it looks like we might finally have three good lines. Nyquist-Sheahan-Tatar has been a good line in pretty much every game they've been together. As has Larkin-Z-Abby. Richards-Dats-Pulks has been together 2 games, been our best possession line both games, and got a goal tonight. Let it ride.

And he has 11 career goals.

Don't try to reason with people. Pulkks is providing scoring depth this team desperately needs yet he gets blamed for all that's wrong with this team. How about blaming players like Abdelkader or Kronwall who are top minute players who look between mediocre and hot garbage instead of a rookie?

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I just don't like the make up of this team when we have Nyqvist, Tatar and Pulkinnen are our scorers. One of them has to go, and I say Pulkinnen because the others are better. He is doing well and that's great for the team but Nyqvist and Tatar could put up better numbers in that role and be a more balanced player against better players. I'm thinking Tatar is the most likely to be traded though

We need more offence from the defense and another guy like Abby with a better scoring touch

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Don't try to reason with people. Pulkks is providing scoring depth this team desperately needs yet he gets blamed for all that's wrong with this team. How about blaming players like Abdelkader or Kronwall who are top minute players who look between mediocre and hot garbage instead of a rookie?

Gets blamed for "all that's wrong with the team"? Lol. No he doesn't.

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Don't try to reason with people. Pulkks is providing scoring depth this team desperately needs yet he gets blamed for all that's wrong with this team. How about blaming players like Abdelkader or Kronwall who are top minute players who look between mediocre and hot garbage instead of a rookie?

I haven't seen anyone blame him for a loss, the worst I've seen is people criticizing him when he can't hit the net, or get frustrated when he decides to tee his shot up and most of the time those guys aren't averse to eating a healthy helping of crow.

Sometimes its hard watching all our smaller wingers get pushed around all game, get relegated to the corners or boards and end up losing the battles. Then they(Nyquist/Tatar) will go on an amazing run where it looks like no one can touch them. Pulkkinen brings a different dimension than then, as he is almost primarily there to shoot. But he isn't quick enough to create his own separation, so most of his shots end up as non threats.

I think pulks could turn into an awesome third line winger/pp specialist and as long as he understands thats all he is (even though he gets moved up and down the roster) and doesn't go searching for top 6 money, he should be a good depth scorer for us.

As for Kronwall, he'll be alright, hes had a revolving door of partners in smith, e, and green. Him and green look better together every game, as long as green can stay healthy and blash doesn't decide to give him another partner they'll start to gel.

Wasn't Nic Lidstrom -5 one year?

I think we're starting to see the team click, and its only going to get better as they get more experience with system.

This forum is pretty damn bi- polar though, when we lose the Sky's falling, when we win all the boo birds seem to disappear.

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Um. We played STL last night and guess what... IT DIDN'T GO TO A SHOOTOUT BECAUSE WE RULE 3 on 3!!

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I love 3-on-3 and think it's suited to our team. OT record is 4-2.

We're 1 of 9 teams that haven't played a shootout yet and I (and Jimmy) would be fine if we never do this year.

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I haven't seen anyone blame him for a loss, the worst I've seen is people criticizing him when he can't hit the net, or get frustrated when he decides to tee his shot up and most of the time those guys aren't averse to eating a healthy helping of crow.

Sometimes its hard watching all our smaller wingers get pushed around all game, get relegated to the corners or boards and end up losing the battles. Then they(Nyquist/Tatar) will go on an amazing run where it looks like no one can touch them. Pulkkinen brings a different dimension than then, as he is almost primarily there to shoot. But he isn't quick enough to create his own separation, so most of his shots end up as non threats.

I think pulks could turn into an awesome third line winger/pp specialist and as long as he understands thats all he is (even though he gets moved up and down the roster) and doesn't go searching for top 6 money, he should be a good depth scorer for us.

As for Kronwall, he'll be alright, hes had a revolving door of partners in smith, e, and green. Him and green look better together every game, as long as green can stay healthy and blash doesn't decide to give him another partner they'll start to gel.

Wasn't Nic Lidstrom -5 one year?

I think we're starting to see the team click, and its only going to get better as they get more experience with system.

This forum is pretty damn bi- polar though, when we lose the Sky's falling, when we win all the boo birds seem to disappear.

Certainly an exaggeration to say he's "blamed for all that's wrong", but I think he is turning into a scapegoat for the struggling offense. People nitpick him more than most players. Notice mistakes they'd overlook in others. Larkin has missed a lot of shots and had a lot blocked as well, no one notices. Every GDT has some form of "Pulkkinen sucks". People notice when he loses a battle or makes a bad play, but never notice anything good other than goals. Even those sometimes get comments like "I still hate Pulkkinen". It's irrational.

It's far too early to try to predict what Pulks can be. He's played 54 games. 11 goals and 18 points. At 54 games, Tatar had 11 goals and 21 points. Nyquist had 8 goals and 21 points, or 6 and 17 if you count playoffs. He's following the same trajectory as those two so far, and there's no reason to think he won't or can't improve the same way they did.

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Certainly an exaggeration to say he's "blamed for all that's wrong", but I think he is turning into a scapegoat for the struggling offense. People nitpick him more than most players. Notice mistakes they'd overlook in others. Larkin has missed a lot of shots and had a lot blocked as well, no one notices. Every GDT has some form of "Pulkkinen sucks". People notice when he loses a battle or makes a bad play, but never notice anything good other than goals. Even those sometimes get comments like "I still hate Pulkkinen". It's irrational.

It's far too early to try to predict what Pulks can be. He's played 54 games. 11 goals and 18 points. At 54 games, Tatar had 11 goals and 21 points. Nyquist had 8 goals and 21 points, or 6 and 17 if you count playoffs. He's following the same trajectory as those two so far, and there's no reason to think he won't or can't improve the same way they did.

Yeah but pulks isn't the only one who gets irrationally hated on around here, it comes with the territory. But honestly when he's not scoring, he really doesn't bring much else to the table.

When he does something good he gets praised, which its almost always for scorin, But hes in the nhl, we shouldnt have to go out of our way to point out every single thing he did somewhat well.

Ha.

And Larkin misses the net sometimes sure, but how also hits the net like six times a game. He's going to get a pass when he makes the occasional gaffe because he does everything else so well. Pulks should be fine, but I don't expect him to become as good as tats or goose simply because he doesn't have the quickness.

He'll live and die by his shot, which is the only reason I get irritated with how often he misses the net completely.

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Yeah but pulks isn't the only one who gets irrationally hated on around here, it comes with the territory. But honestly when he's not scoring, he really doesn't bring much else to the table.

When he does something good he gets praised, which its almost always for scorin, But hes in the nhl, we shouldnt have to go out of our way to point out every single thing he did somewhat well.

Ha.

And Larkin misses the net sometimes sure, but how also hits the net like six times a game. He's going to get a pass when he makes the occasional gaffe because he does everything else so well. Pulks should be fine, but I don't expect him to become as good as tats or goose simply because he doesn't have the quickness.

He'll live and die by his shot, which is the only reason I get irritated with how often he misses the net completely.

You're right, he's definitely not the only one. Half the team it seems sometimes.

Your comment on Larkin is a great illustration. Larkin has 11 more shots on goal, in ~95 minutes more ice time. Missed 23 and had 22 blocked out of 100 attempts. Pulks has missed 26 and had 21 blocked on 91 attempts. It's not really that big a difference. Pulkkinen actually gets shots on net at a higher rate than Larkin, just a bit lower a percentage of shot attempts hitting the net. Likely the only reason anyone's talking about him missing the net is the one game where he missed like 5 and Mickey made a comment about it. Looking back at last year he missed 30 of 135. He doesn't have any real problem with accuracy, it's just faulty perception. May never be among the most accurate shooters, but he isn't particularly bad and makes up for it in volume.

The bolded above is just an over-used cliche people tend to resort to when stats don't agree with them. Vague enough to be practically non-falsifiable. Same thing people did with Franzen. I would argue that offensive pressure and being a threat to score has value, even if he doesn't make the scoresheet, and that his corsi stats suggest that he is contributing to keeping pucks out of our net.

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You're right, he's definitely not the only one. Half the team it seems sometimes.

Your comment on Larkin is a great illustration. Larkin has 11 more shots on goal, in ~95 minutes more ice time. Missed 23 and had 22 blocked out of 100 attempts. Pulks has missed 26 and had 21 blocked on 91 attempts. It's not really that big a difference. Pulkkinen actually gets shots on net at a higher rate than Larkin, just a bit lower a percentage of shot attempts hitting the net. Likely the only reason anyone's talking about him missing the net is the one game where he missed like 5 and Mickey made a comment about it. Looking back at last year he missed 30 of 135. He doesn't have any real problem with accuracy, it's just faulty perception. May never be among the most accurate shooters, but he isn't particularly bad and makes up for it in volume.

The bolded above is just an over-used cliche people tend to resort to when stats don't agree with them. Vague enough to be practically non-falsifiable. Same thing people did with Franzen. I would argue that offensive pressure and being a threat to score has value, even if he doesn't make the scoresheet, and that his corsi stats suggest that he is contributing to keeping pucks out of our net.

you go out of the way to prove he's around the same percentage as Larkin, who is here for his 200ft game not his shot.

His best asset is his shot, and how often he uses it yet you're arguing for the fact that he's basically average in that aspect. Which would more or less mean you're in agreement that he's not doing what he's supposed to do, as well as he's expected to do it.

And he's been used with our best defensive players, his numbers are going to be skewed seeing lower quality opponent's, higher volume offensive zone starts, he's been paired with datsyuk lately. Before that it was with sheahan or Glendenning. So clichéd or not, it seems even you agree with it.

You can make stats say what you want them to. Which is why I didnt use them in my argument. I couldn't care less what mickey said about him missing the net, and I don't care if the stats say he's average at shooting/getting shots through because his bread and butter is above average shooting. I'm not hating on the kid, I'm not even arguing against him because I do like him and he deserves to be on the team, but he's been very average, and I think hell get better.

Because if he's going to carve out a niche for himself he needs to be.

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you go out of the way to prove he's around the same percentage as Larkin, who is here for his 200ft game not his shot.

His best asset is his shot, and how often he uses it yet you're arguing for the fact that he's basically average in that aspect. Which would more or less mean you're in agreement that he's not doing what he's supposed to do, as well as he's expected to do it.

And he's been used with our best defensive players, his numbers are going to be skewed seeing lower quality opponent's, higher volume offensive zone starts, he's been paired with datsyuk lately. Before that it was with sheahan or Glendenning.

You can make stats say what you want them to. Which is why I didnt use them in my argument. I couldn't care less what mickey said about him missing the net, and I don't care if the stats say he's average at shooting/getting shots through because his bread and butter is above average shooting. I'm not hating on the kid, I'm not even arguing against him because I do like him and he deserves to be on the team, but he's been very average, and I think hell get better.

Because if he's going to carve out a niche for himself he needs to be.

Pulkkinen isn't on the team to have an above average % of shot attempts on net. Score goals maybe would be more accurate, and so far he's doing that pretty well.

I don't want to turn this into a "Pulkkinen deserves to be unfairly criticized because he isn't as good overall as Larkin" debate. First you gave Larkin a pass because "he hits the net like 6 times a game" (which is a stat, btw, just a vague and incorrect one), now he gets a pass because of his 200ft game. I'm saying we shouldn't be nitpicking BS at all, especially not for players who are producing fairly well.

And no, stats say what they say. What you mean is you can try to interpret them in a way that supports the conclusion you want. Like dismissing all of Pulkkinen's positive metrics. They don't fit your conclusion, so obviously it must be because of everything else other than Pulkkinen himself.

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What are you even arguing at this point?

That he's a perfect player, or first line winger? Or that im not allowed to talk about him because hes off limits for you? Because I criticized him once. I didn't say to get him off the team or even sit him.

And second.

The first time I said it was because Larkin does everything else so well, but by all means continue cherry Picking.

I'm not going to take the time to find the stats to back up what I say, or what you say.

I don't have that time right now.

But if you feel like continuing this argument, feel free to look them up for me.

You've given one stat, and are now acting holier than now that all the stats ever back up your point.

Could what I said possibly be unfair criticism, sure I just don't think hes playing all that great. So if the stats back up that he's been amazing with no faults, then fine.

And there's stats out there that paint jakub kindl as our #1 defenseman.

So they're always completely.

Unequivocally correct.

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Jimmy, I don't think Buppy was trying to single you out, because you're clearly not the only one s***ing on Pulkkinen, he/she just happened to respond to your comment and then began a little debate... That's what I took from it anyway.

Regardless, I haven't been overly impressed with Pulkkinen either, but there's no denying he's been doing what he's here to do, and I don't think he has been nearly as bad as some make him out to be... Unfortunately, he has now been labeled by LGW, and as we all know, it is nearly impossible to shake that label. Fans need someone to blame, and I guess for whatever reason, Pulkkinen seems to be an easy target. He's not the only one, look no further than Howard, or Ericsson, or Kindl, or Smith, or Jurco, or Cleary, etc...

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