joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) If you're big, and not a goon, people turn on you. Even if he doesn't hit, fight, scrap, etc. size is still an extra asset. It's hard to move big guys. They have extra reach, etc. People seem to miss this and just say "he's big and doesn't use his size." Not every big player should have to have an edge. If they're a goal scorer I don't see why it matters as long as they score (which Franzen did). It's just kind of sad he doesn't get the respect for the career he had. He pretty much willed the Wings to a Stanley Cup and 2 Finals appearances. Most fans would worship this manIf you watch our old playoff games it was always Franzen chirping in between whistles and getting into the headlocks. The dude played with grit and an edge, and scored Edited December 19, 2015 by joesuffP 1 Wingnut1989 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 It's just kind of sad he doesn't get the respect for the career he had. He pretty much willed the Wings to a Stanley Cup and 2 Finals appearances. Most fans would worship this man If you watch our old playoff games it was always Franzen chirping in between whistles and getting into the headlocks. The dude played with grit and an edge, and scored I wish we had him for the game right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PumpkinEscobar 136 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Hoping he's earned a call up...bring AA too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 May as well bring his ass up. 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Bring em all up. 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Lets see what Mantha can do. Put him on the second line with Datsyuk and slide Helm to the 4th line and scatch Andy. And I'm dead serious too. 2 krsmith17 and e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Lets see what Mantha can do. Put him on the second line with Datsyuk and slide Helm to the 4th line and scatch Andy. And I'm dead serious too. Andy is the perfect 13th forward, in that he can play if he's absolutely needed to, but we shouldn't ever need to.Id even throw Abby, helm, glendog on the fourth line together. It solves the "defensive shutdown 4th line" problem, and they'd be a threat to actually score more. 2 e_prime and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Hey now, if it wasn't for Anderson, they wouldn't have got a point tonight. But yeah, I agree, he shouldn't play unless absolutely necessary. 1 jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Part of me wants mantha called up and part me doesn't Mantha is doing awesome, we should let him continue to dominate and gain confidence....Other part of me thinks bring up this big body who can skate and can score to play with datsyuk Hank has his own kid in Larkin, and pavel has Richards(who is an upgrade on Weiss, but personally not high on) and helm who's a really good 3rd and 4th liner ... We're wasting datsyuk's and zetterbergs last few yrs , and what other forward are we going to get on the trade market with the upside of mantha? I remember when we went to the finals in 08 and 09 we had 2 young kids ... Abdelkader and helm ... Maybe this time we got Larkin and mantha? And who knows if mantha comes up and dominates maybe we can use a few pieces for a dman ? Or maybe we just recreate the 2 kids with the old goat line and call up aa and make it a line of Athanasiou datsyuk mantha? Getting carried away sorry guys... Guess I answered my own question .... Bring up mantha! Take advantage of hank and pav being here , mantha has everything to make it 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Idk how Abby is getting paid that much, I understand what he brings to the team but all he is is Helm with a better shot, who plays with more of an edge but doesn't have the speed. We have Mantha Svech AA Bert Pulk Nyquist Tats Jurco Frk Zengerle all guys better suited for that top six role if they ever make it(besides Nyq and Tats) there is only TWO spots in the top six Abby won't be able to hold that position for much longer then we'll have a 4 million dollar player on the third or fourth line and Holland will just drop one of these ******* kids to waivers and they'll get claimed and go and play better for that team,. That's pretty much how it goes right? And with Larkin there really is only three spots left in the top six so AA or Svech will be a winger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Idk how Abby is getting paid that much, I understand what he brings to the team but all he is is Helm with a better shot, who plays with more of an edge but doesn't have the speed. We have Mantha Svech AA Bert Pulk Nyquist Tats Jurco Frk Zengerle all guys better suited for that top six role if they ever make it(besides Nyq and Tats) there is only TWO spots in the top six Abby won't be able to hold that position for much longer then we'll have a 4 million dollar player on the third or fourth line and Holland will just drop one of thesef****** kids to waivers and they'll get claimed and go and play better for that team,. That's pretty much how it goes right? And with Larkin there really is only three spots left in the top six so AA or Svech will be a winger. Don't think zengerle will ever be a wing ... Frk still not giving up but he's not a certainty .... I know we're so good but you forgot to add holmstrom 2.0 Think it's quite simple ... Something will happen in the trade front ... Just not enough spots, too much talent in the guys you named , no way they go through waivers for nothing Personally I think athanasiou is awesome but I would consider trading him ONLY if we say use him +nyquist for a dman ... Was thinking since I heard Nashville are so desperately seeking a center maybe we can get Seth Jones through them , or a 3 way trade .... Think that would help us longterm We'd still have mantha bertuzzi svechnikov holmstrom etc... Waiting for spots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) Jones won't be leaving Nashville anytime soon. Kids getting groomed to be Weber 2.0 aka huge douchebag with a hard ass slapper. Why do people keep wanting to trade Goose he's the Swede! No way Holland ever trades him personally I like Tatar more but I think Goose is better and has a higher ceiling he's actually a good playmaker and can finish plays as well plus he's fast. He'll play well on Larkins or Svech/AAs wing Edited December 19, 2015 by MrazekFanBoy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) Thoughts on Mantha playing Datsyuks Wing? I think he could benefit from it. They tried it with Jurco and I guess it didn't work by their standards. Mantha is supposed to be a goal scorer and what Pav needs is some sort of a goal scorer. But now that I remember I think Blash was quoted indirectly saying that he wouldn't bring Mantha up? So he might not be the "call up" that Blash been talking about. Edited December 19, 2015 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Who has Kenny waived that went on to play better elsewhere? Nestrasil and Ferraro? They both have done ok so far, but they play different roles where they are. With the backlog of quality forwards in the Wings system, they never would have been given those roles in Detroit.Nestrasil is a third liner in Carolina, and Ferraro plays on the fourth in Boston. Neither played full time in Detroit, and never would have. If you ever see guys like Mantha and AA getting waived, then that's a problem. Losing those two was not. They were very replaceable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Ha. Zengerle? Really? Dude's a career ahl-er. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted December 20, 2015 Or maybe getting called out by the organization for effort, and then getting scratched, did exactly what it was supposed to and woke him up. Maybe *gasp* Jimmy D (the guy with 7 Cup rings) actually knew what he was doing. He hasn't been scratched. He missed games earlier this year while injured. Had a concussion. What is a lazy person? By definition a person thatj doesn't work hard. Clearly he is playing much better. To do that he had to work hard. So he isn't lazy. There is always an adjustment period going from jumior/college to pro hockey. Some guys make it quickly other take time. getting hurt and missing camp last year set him back. If you don't think so look at Datsyuk this year. He missed camp and even he admits it has messed him up offensively. he has another goal and an assist tonight. Him AA (who had a fight) and Frk each had 1 goal and at least 1 assist on a line together. His style of play has been much more physical this year. Working in the corners, in front of the net, and yes dropping the gloves. The point of this was there were in fact RW "fans" on this very forum claiming he was a bust, a wasted pick, would never turn into anything, etc... Which says a lot about them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) He hasn't been scratched. He missed games earlier this year while injured. Had a concussion. What is a lazy person? By definition a person thatj doesn't work hard. Clearly he is playing much better. To do that he had to work hard. So he isn't lazy. There is always an adjustment period going from jumior/college to pro hockey. Some guys make it quickly other take time. getting hurt and missing camp last year set him back. If you don't think so look at Datsyuk this year. He missed camp and even he admits it has messed him up offensively. he has another goal and an assist tonight. Him AA (who had a fight) and Frk each had 1 goal and at least 1 assist on a line together. His style of play has been much more physical this year. Working in the corners, in front of the net, and yes dropping the gloves. The point of this was there were in fact RW "fans" on this very forum claiming he was a bust, a wasted pick, would never turn into anything, etc... Which says a lot about them. He was indeed a healthy scratch for a game after he had been cleared to return.http://www.mlive.com/griffins/index.ssf/2015/12/anthony_mantha_sits_martin_frk.html "GRAND RAPIDS Anthony Mantha's absence from the Grand Rapids Griffins' lineup Wednesday turned into a golden opportunity for Martin Frk. Mantha was a healthy scratch for the first time this season, opening the door for Frk who provided the go-ahead goal in a 4-1 win against Milwaukee the team's ninth win in a row." Also, the lazy comments have been discussed ad nauseum on here, I can't recall if it was you or someone else who was saying that no one had called him lazy which was responded to with multiple links to quotes from scouts or front office types questioning his work ethics. What followed was anot inane discussion about the semantics of the similarities between the word lazy and the phrase "questionable work ethic/drive." To which the response was The word "lazy" was never used, and then a handfuk of links using the word lazy were then posted. People were questioning his work ethic, whether or not he was going to bust, and people doubting him and all that, which people have every right to question. Just because he's finding his stride in the ahl doesn't mean that he's guaranteed to be the player we hoped he'd become when we drafted him. Nothing is etched in stone, his progress can still stall and he could still bust, or he could hit his ceiling, or much more likely he'll fall somewhere in between. A differing opinion, or people expressing concerns about him aren't a reason to be condescending to someone still hoping he becomes the player you think/want him to be. And saying "I told you so" before it becomes so is pretty silly. Edited December 20, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted December 21, 2015 He hasn't been scratched. He missed games earlier this year while injured. Had a concussion. What is a lazy person? By definition a person thatj doesn't work hard. Clearly he is playing much better. To do that he had to work hard. So he isn't lazy. There is always an adjustment period going from jumior/college to pro hockey. Some guys make it quickly other take time. getting hurt and missing camp last year set him back. If you don't think so look at Datsyuk this year. He missed camp and even he admits it has messed him up offensively. he has another goal and an assist tonight. Him AA (who had a fight) and Frk each had 1 goal and at least 1 assist on a line together. His style of play has been much more physical this year. Working in the corners, in front of the net, and yes dropping the gloves. The point of this was there were in fact RW "fans" on this very forum claiming he was a bust, a wasted pick, would never turn into anything, etc... Which says a lot about them. He had been scratched. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted December 21, 2015 He hasn't been scratched. He missed games earlier this year while injured. Had a concussion. What is a lazy person? By definition a person thatj doesn't work hard. Clearly he is playing much better. To do that he had to work hard. So he isn't lazy. There is always an adjustment period going from jumior/college to pro hockey. Some guys make it quickly other take time. getting hurt and missing camp last year set him back. If you don't think so look at Datsyuk this year. He missed camp and even he admits it has messed him up offensively. he has another goal and an assist tonight. Him AA (who had a fight) and Frk each had 1 goal and at least 1 assist on a line together. His style of play has been much more physical this year. Working in the corners, in front of the net, and yes dropping the gloves. The point of this was there were in fact RW "fans" on this very forum claiming he was a bust, a wasted pick, would never turn into anything, etc... Which says a lot about them. Who said wasted pick?There's a big difference between that and saying he's not living up to (overhyped) expectations, or that he was overhyped frm day 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted December 21, 2015 Thoughts on Mantha playing Datsyuks Wing? I think he could benefit from it. They tried it with Jurco and I guess it didn't work by their standards. Mantha is supposed to be a goal scorer and what Pav needs is some sort of a goal scorer. But now that I remember I think Blash was quoted indirectly saying that he wouldn't bring Mantha up? So he might not be the "call up" that Blash been talking about. I would love to have seen mantha playing on datsyuk wing, even if they put Jurco on the other side for the piano puller. I don't think they gave jurco enough time next to him, and having helm on the other side certainly didn't help him produce with pav. Mantha can be the shooter, Cuz everyone will be pulled to pav, Jurco could park in front of the net and mantha could float into the slot. In theory it seems perfect, but it rarely works out as well as you draw it up. 2 LeftWinger and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Jimmy, I like it. It would certainly be worth the experiment for a game or five, since he is immune to waivers, he can come and go as he is needed while we have injuries opening up a roster position. I'd like to see what he can do. If you recall, he and Larkin did pretty damn good in the pre-season together as well. I know it was only pre-season, but he along with Larkin and Jensen really look quite good. Of course we know which way Larkin is headed, but again, I'd like to see Mantha get about 10-15 games in this year playing in that sniper position to see if he can translate his junior success into the NHL. Helm has no business on Pav's line, let alone in the top 6 anyhow. Larkin - Z - Abby Jurco - Pav - Mantha Nyquist - Sheahan - Tatar ....interesting, interesting indeed.... Edited December 21, 2015 by LeftWinger 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted December 21, 2015 Keep dreaming I'd love to see Jurco Pav Mantha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted December 21, 2015 Richards has been playing really well and he needs a spot in the top 9. With what we have available to us right now, I'd like to see... Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader Larkin - Datsyuk - Richards Tatar - Nosek - Jurco Helm - Sheahan - Glendening That's a deep, well balanced lineup in my opinion... I don't hate that Mantha remains in GR, but what happens when he and Athanasiou make the jump over the next year or so? We simply have too many forwards. A great opportunity to make a trade to bring in some help on the back end... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453 Report post Posted December 21, 2015 Richards has been playing really well and he needs a spot in the top 9. With what we have available to us right now, I'd like to see... Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader Larkin - Datsyuk - Richards Tatar - Nosek - Jurco Helm - Sheahan - Glendening That's a deep, well balanced lineup in my opinion... I don't hate that Mantha remains in GR, but what happens when he and Athanasiou make the jump over the next year or so? We simply have too many forwards. A great opportunity to make a trade to bring in some help on the back end... I'm totally with you on Larkin being with Datsyuk, I don't understand how this hasn't happened yet. He's exactly what Datsyuk needs, kid is a puck hound. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted December 21, 2015 Penalty kill has gone from 6th in the league to 14th since he's been gone. Awww, I liked your first edit! He difinitely makes out PK better. I'd like to amend my trade with Nashville. IF they were offering Weber and Mantha was on their want list, I'd do it. 1 PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
