brett 1,029 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 i think the richards signing is a bust. the guy is playing second line. should be third at best. taking away spots from nyquist and tatar. and if one of them was 2nd line jurco would be third line and he might not be terrible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 Blash looks like he's constipated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 When you say Zetterberg should take a day off. In hockey that means healthy scatch. That would he controversial to be honest. Imo line changes is a good solution I don't mean a healthy scratch in a bad way. Maybe the baby's keeping him up lol Idk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Berzeench 310 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 i think the richards signing is a bust. the guy is playing second line. should be third at best. taking away spots from nyquist and tatar. and if one of them was 2nd line jurco would be third line and he might not be terrible Agreed. He's not a good player anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 I don't mean a healthy scratch in a bad way. Maybe the baby's keeping him up lol Idk. Hah no i know what you meant. Just limited options for that guy is all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 I would like to see Blashill actually do something about the way we've been playing instead of saying he's disappointed in the way we played. Maybe a little bag skate be good for them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crashnburnluder 385 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 Well the Richards line and the Kid line are really 2a and 2b, can't say Richards is second line and Tatar and goose are 3rd line.... And the reality is we have 3 second lines, one with Richards and helm though so really a 1st liner weighed down by 2 3rd liners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,934 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 how long have I been saying Helm does not belong in the top 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aethernum 276 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 Obviously the last few games have been frustrating to watch, but I'm not as convinced as the rest of this board that the lines are the problem here. Could the lines be improved? Sure. But paring everything Blashill does to merely putting numbers with numbers seems remarkably oversimplified to me. Whoever's on the ice needs to be making plays, and that comes from the system and the execution far more than it does the pairings. The coach isn't paid to put people with people; he's paid to install a system and ensure the highest possible execution therein. Blaming everything on who is playing with who just doesn't make sense in that context. Take Datsyuk, for example. Datsyuk with Helm makes sense to me. Helm's speed can open up the ice for D to make a play. But Datsyuk with Z also makes sense. So does Datsyuk with Larkin, or with Abby. But you can only pick two. so whoever ends up playing with Datsyuk, that group needs to come up with plays. It's not a question of finding some magical chemistry that can be a silver bullet to all of our problems. It's a question of avoiding simple errors - giveaways, missed passes, all the things that still seem to be plaguing this team - and playing the system with smarts and speed. Some of it breaks down to understanding the concept of consistency. We seem to have this notion on here, as fans, that players at the NHL level are immune to ups and downs in their game. Some people on the boards think Smith is a useless bonehead who does nothing but make stupid errors. Others note that he has been one of our best D-men in the last few weeks. I don't view those observations as exclusive of one another. Smith can be our best defenseman one night, and our worst the next. And that's not even a bad thing - that's now athletic competition works. Sometimes our scoring is going to come from the Top 6. When it doesn't, the third and fourth lines or the defense needs to contribute. Sometimes our goalie is going to post a shutout. When he doesn't, the offense needs to step it up. Teams with real depth don't rely on consistency to win games. They rely on knowing that someone, somewhere, is going to step up and make a play when they have to. And that person isn't always going to be the same every time. So to me, when this team struggles, it's not a question of shuffling our players around so that our best players on any given night are in the Top 6. For one thing, there's no way of knowing who will perform the best on any given night. And even if Blashill did know, we'd have to have a line swap every night to accommodate that type of system. When we struggle, it's usually because we fail at the basics - smart defensive play, turnovers, offsides, winning the faceoffs, etc. Those things don't improve just because you swap around some numbers on a white board. Am I saying I'm happy with the lines? I'm not sure. But I don't get paid to think about those things - Blashill does. And I'm not arrogant enough to think that I know better than one of the best minds in hockey. Every single NHL coach knows far more about these things than I do or anyone else on these boards does, so barging into the forums saying if only Blash would put X with Y or bump up so-and-so or demote that-one-guy everything would change...it just strikes me as childish and ill-informed. We can do better. 2 AtlantaHotWings and e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crashnburnluder 385 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) I love my Red wings but I think the streak made us feel and look better then we are... We had that great streak but after our last 20 games we are now 10-10. Yes we picked up a lot of loser points and thankfully they still exist but we are playing .500 hockey, we masked all those loses with the loser point, it is as simple as that. Edited December 30, 2015 by Crashnburnluder 2 aflac9262 and NerveDamage reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 Jurco-Sheahan-Tatar will start together next game mark my words. They'll be a major 🔑 Going forward. They looked dynamic together Do what you must with the rest. Nyquist doesn't deserve a promotion but maybe it will spark him. Ideally I want Helm on the fourth because that's where he has played his best hockey this season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 They lost?? 4-1, Howard pulled allowing 4 goals on 14 shots, powerplay sucked, beaten by a rookie backup. Wow. I dunno what to do about the scoring issue, but Howard needs to sit. He's allowed 7 goals in his past two games on what, 20 shots? Stick with Mrazek and go from there. 5 Wingnut1989, aflac9262, LeftWinger and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXccZ9NWMAAy1Go.jpg:large Not too bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings_fanatic 677 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 I couldn't watch the whole game. Did Blashill change the lines up at all yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WpgMikos 17 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Post-game audio: Coach Blashill, Zetterberg, Howard & Smith. To listen click here. Edited December 30, 2015 by WpgMikos 1 Jacksoni reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,934 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 sure seems like we've had a rough go at it since we lost Miller... 2 PavelValerievichDatsyuk and e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NerveDamage 4,176 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 Z-Beard after that high-stick 6 Namingway, krsmith17, puckloo39 and 3 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ami 273 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 this team resemble a geriatric playboy who still tries and, amazingly, attracts lots of opposing sex, but his erectile function fails him rather often... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NerveDamage 4,176 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 Can she play goal? they don't call her Betty "the Bear-Trap" White for nothing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsRox 614 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 Just caught the score ... damn, we're bad. I almost wish we were consistently bad so I wouldn't have high expectations. It's a huge letdown when we win a few in a row followed by a few losts in a row. Can someone pm me when they start on their winning streak? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 Watched the first period, couldn't take anymore. 1 DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 lmao i was on Winging it in Motown and couldnt believe what someone wanted to throw at TB for Stamkos Smith Kindl jurco Z A 3rd for stamkos???? wow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 Not that much even with Z and he'd never get traded anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 Not that much even with Z and he'd never get traded anyway thank you thats what i was sayi ng 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted December 30, 2015 Obviously the last few games have been frustrating to watch, but I'm not as convinced as the rest of this board that the lines are the problem here. Could the lines be improved? Sure. But paring everything Blashill does to merely putting numbers with numbers seems remarkably oversimplified to me. Whoever's on the ice needs to be making plays, and that comes from the system and the execution far more than it does the pairings. The coach isn't paid to put people with people; he's paid to install a system and ensure the highest possible execution therein. Blaming everything on who is playing with who just doesn't make sense in that context. Take Datsyuk, for example. Datsyuk with Helm makes sense to me. Helm's speed can open up the ice for D to make a play. But Datsyuk with Z also makes sense. So does Datsyuk with Larkin, or with Abby. But you can only pick two. so whoever ends up playing with Datsyuk, that group needs to come up with plays. It's not a question of finding some magical chemistry that can be a silver bullet to all of our problems. It's a question of avoiding simple errors - giveaways, missed passes, all the things that still seem to be plaguing this team - and playing the system with smarts and speed. Some of it breaks down to understanding the concept of consistency. We seem to have this notion on here, as fans, that players at the NHL level are immune to ups and downs in their game. Some people on the boards think Smith is a useless bonehead who does nothing but make stupid errors. Others note that he has been one of our best D-men in the last few weeks. I don't view those observations as exclusive of one another. Smith can be our best defenseman one night, and our worst the next. And that's not even a bad thing - that's now athletic competition works. Sometimes our scoring is going to come from the Top 6. When it doesn't, the third and fourth lines or the defense needs to contribute. Sometimes our goalie is going to post a shutout. When he doesn't, the offense needs to step it up. Teams with real depth don't rely on consistency to win games. They rely on knowing that someone, somewhere, is going to step up and make a play when they have to. And that person isn't always going to be the same every time. So to me, when this team struggles, it's not a question of shuffling our players around so that our best players on any given night are in the Top 6. For one thing, there's no way of knowing who will perform the best on any given night. And even if Blashill did know, we'd have to have a line swap every night to accommodate that type of system. When we struggle, it's usually because we fail at the basics - smart defensive play, turnovers, offsides, winning the faceoffs, etc. Those things don't improve just because you swap around some numbers on a white board. Am I saying I'm happy with the lines? I'm not sure. But I don't get paid to think about those things - Blashill does. And I'm not arrogant enough to think that I know better than one of the best minds in hockey. Every single NHL coach knows far more about these things than I do or anyone else on these boards does, so barging into the forums saying if only Blash would put X with Y or bump up so-and-so or demote that-one-guy everything would change...it just strikes me as childish and ill-informed. We can do better. Oh you just stop with that reason and measured thinking around here. It's all knee-jerking and sky is falling here at LGW. Get with the program! Good post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
