Jakub Kindl waived

[WingsallTheway 383]

Won't get claimed and people will still try to include him in a package for Malkin

[greenrebellion 415]

Won't get claimed and people will still try to include him in a package for Malkin

Yup, just like last season after Callahan cleared waivers, people were including him in all kinds of trade proposals.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Trade Q for prospect at the deadline and go after Shattenkirk... Win win

[kickazz 5,459]

Huh? Kindl was waived so that we don't have to send Marchenko down... Unless you just meant, you can easily see Marchenko being the 7th defenseman / healthy scratch... In which case, could happen, but I still think it should be Ericsson. And this is coming from one of the very few Ericsson supporters... Marchenko is never going to be a spectacular defenseman, but he is doing exactly what he's asked, and he's been a rock back there ever since he's been recalled from GR.

Yeah I meant for 6 defenders. Free up a space for Quincey. Not sure why I said "sent down" lol. I mean't 7th guy.

Holland always praised Marchenko and so did Babcock. And now you have Blashil pulling out metrics and talking about how Marchenko is one of the best when on ice in "grade A chances against" as he called it. That's why I'm making the bold prediction that Marchenko stays. But practically speaking it's easier for him to be the guy to be scratched, rather than Ericsson.

I would love to see Kronwall and Marchenko. Kronner is declining and having Marchenko as his partner might actually help him with his defensive mishaps. Marchenko is the safety net that other D-men need. Recently Smith praised him for that very reason.

Edited January 10, 2016 by kickazz

[Buppy 1,720]

its to make room for quincey

the kicker is if kindl clears wings will still not have enough salary to activate quincey

I don't think that's true. There's a lot of confusing aspects to how LTIR is used, but even without sending Kindl down we're around $2 mil over the cap, which should be covered by LTIR for Franzen. Both General Fanager and Hockeyscap show us with about 5.2 mil in cap space, and Quincey's LTIR value at about 3.3, which still gives us 1.9 once Quincey is activated. We also have some bonuses beyond that, which makes it even more confusing, but I'm sure the 950k we get for sending Kindl down should easily give us enough. Technically, I don't think we'd even need to send him down until Pulkkinen is back (unless we call up someone else).

[brett 1,029]

cap situation. looks like if kindl isnt claimed marchenko will be sent down

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2016/01/detroit_red_wings_waive_defens_1.html#incart_river_index

Edited January 10, 2016 by brett

[Buppy 1,720]

cap situation. looks like if kindl isnt claimed marchenko will be sent down

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2016/01/detroit_red_wings_waive_defens_1.html#incart_river_index

That's interesting, and also seems quite different from the way LTIR is normally explained.

We have 25 players on the roster, counting the guys on IR. Total cap of those guys is a little over $73M counting bonuses, or $71.5M without. Then we have $1.8 from the Weiss buyout and the bonus overage from last year. I assume that $66M figure isn't factoring bonuses, the buyout, or overage. Looking at who was on the roster opening day, that's fairly close to $66M without Datsyuk. Calculating the current roster the same way, it's about $67.6 without Franzen. So we'd need to trim $1.6. More or less exactly what we'd get demoting Kindl and Marchenko (assuming Kindl isn't claimed). Still seems weird.

I wonder if we could claim LTIR for Pulkkinen to keep Marchenko up a little while longer.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Yup, just like last season after Callahan cleared waivers, people were including him in all kinds of trade proposals.

Won't get claimed and people will still try to include him in a package for Malkin

Players who went unclaimed get traded around fairly often after they've been waived though.

Whether it's because of injuries, part of a bigger trade to make the money work, the whole "______ may do better with a change of scenery, or bc at the beginning of the season most teams want to run with in house guys to see what they've got.

Although I do agree that adding them in the trade as if they were a significant piece is amazingly stupid.

Ha.

And speaking of Pittsburgh, I could see them putting in a claim for kindl...

He's arguably better than 3 of the 6 guys they have playing now, not to mention 2 of the 3 unquestionably better get injured every other week. (Letang and Maatta)

But even if he clears, it could make him easierto move.

Plus him not getting claimed could make him easier to trade, then if someone trades for him they can immediately send him to theiron ahl affiliate, and they end up saving a bit more money off the cap hit.

We could always retain on him too, even at 50% we'd only be on the hook for 1.5 next year in dead space.

Edited January 10, 2016 by jimmyemeryhunter

[e_prime 1,936]

That's interesting, and also seems quite different from the way LTIR is normally explained.

We have 25 players on the roster, counting the guys on IR. Total cap of those guys is a little over $73M counting bonuses, or $71.5M without. Then we have $1.8 from the Weiss buyout and the bonus overage from last year. I assume that $66M figure isn't factoring bonuses, the buyout, or overage. Looking at who was on the roster opening day, that's fairly close to $66M without Datsyuk. Calculating the current roster the same way, it's about $67.6 without Franzen. So we'd need to trim $1.6. More or less exactly what we'd get demoting Kindl and Marchenko (assuming Kindl isn't claimed). Still seems weird.

I wonder if we could claim LTIR for Pulkkinen to keep Marchenko up a little while longer.

I felt like I used to, at least feel like I, have a grasp on how LTIR and cap space factored together, not anymore.

THANKS NHL CBA!

All the more reason why Kenny needs to make a real move... too many bodies and not enough roster spots or cap space.

The waiving of Kindl was inevitable since he was unable to sustain the glimmer of improvement that we saw at the beginning of the season.

Edited January 10, 2016 by e_prime

[matt198913 932]

I like this a lot.

How do your pp units look?

If I had my way....

13-15-21

2-25

71-40-17

55-14

[Jacksoni 418]

I support this waiver. Not much else to add.

[Ram 240]

According to Khan:

Kindl has until noon Sunday to clear waivers. If he does, he'll be assigned to Grand Rapids. Move was needed to clear cap space for Quincey.

Wings tried to trade Kindl for draft pick but couldn't. Teams wanted them to take back a player in return and they can't assume more salary.

I really hope he clears, I like him and he is a viable defenseman in our line up.

[sjr2012 439]

I support this waiver. Not much else to add.

me too as long as marchy doesnt have to go down

[Bill Berzeench 310]

If I had my way....

13-15-21

2-25

71-40-17

55-14

I like:

56-15-13

2-25

71-8-40

55-65

[Barrie 900]

Won't get claimed and people will still try to include him in a package for Malkin

Or Stamkos

Yes, but it only frees part of his cap space.

Thanks for the info

[brett 1,029]

i was hoping he got claimed....now he will probably be our first call up if needed. give the other guys a shot

[HockeytownRules19 902]

Bummer

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive 2m2 minutes ago

#RedWings Jakub Kindl clears waivers.

[sjr2012 439]

i was hoping he got claimed....now he will probably be our first call up if needed. give the other guys a shot

hope not rather they give XO the call 1st

[Andy Pred 48 337]

what will Kenny do now eh? could we see a forward traded to ease the cap issue's so Blashill can keep Marchenko up

and also be able to activate Quincey? or will it be a send Marchy down easy route for Kenny, erm, think that the Griffs

just got a headache forced upon them

[greenrebellion 415]

So ridiculous if we have to send Marchy down. I hope Kenny finds a way to make a move and keep him rostered.

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

Get rid of Errorson. Problem solved.

Errorson for Ovechkin.

[kickazz 5,459]

Not even sending Marchenko down would help. His cap hit is only $666 k and they need to relieve 1 million to activate Quincey.

I think a trades coming up.

[Hey man nice shot! 144]

Not even sending Marchenko down would help. His cap hit is only $666 k and they need to relieve 1 million to activate Quincey.

I think a trades coming up.

As exciting as a trade could be, i fear who or what we would get in return.

[Dominator2005 558]

So he cleared?!

Still thinks that he has some value???

[Hey man nice shot! 144]

So he cleared?!

Still thinks that he has some value???

Who knows, maybe this wakes him up? Kindl is still a serviceable defender as a 6th/7th or even a call up. I at one time was very high on him...hope everything still comes together for him.