Datsyuk Now 7th in All-Time Wings Goals

[kliq 3,755]

there is something called intangibles something one can't measure you either have it or you don't. Captain serious does and in terms of leadership there is no one better not even Sid the kid

In his case "Intangibles" are being surrounded by guys ridiculously talented making him appear much better then he is.

[Bill Berzeench 310]

In his case "Intangibles" are being surrounded by guys ridiculously talented making him appear much better then he is.

I love this argument from a Red Wings fan. It's hilarious. Datsyuk since 2002 has played with 26 hall of famers, but Toews is the only guy who has a good supporting cast.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

I love this argument from a Red Wings fan. It's hilarious. Datsyuk since 2002 has played with 26 hall of famers, but Toews is the only guy who has a good supporting cast.

26 Hall of Famers?

[Bill Berzeench 310]

26 Hall of Famers?

Count em up

[kliq 3,755]

I love this argument from a Red Wings fan. It's hilarious. Datsyuk since 2002 has played with 26 hall of famers, but Toews is the only guy who has a good supporting cast.

Could you please list these 26 hall of famers?

There is nothing wrong with playing with great players, but when people say you have "intangibles" it usually means your team wins alot. This is why I believe Toews is overrated, if he was on Columbus, nobody would be calling him the best player in the NHL.

This argument doesn't apply to Datsyuk, Datsyuk is not overrated.

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Could you please list these 26 hall of famers?

There is nothing wrong with playing with great players, but when people say you have "intangibles" it usually means your team wins alot. This is why I believe Toews is overrated, if he was on Columbus, nobody would be calling him the best player in the NHL.

This argument doesn't apply to Datsyuk, Datsyuk is not overrated.

You count em up.

[kliq 3,755]

You count em up.

Not going to waste my time counting your BS number.

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Not going to waste my time counting your BS number.

You know its true.

[kliq 3,755]

You know its true.

Keep trolling Bill. At some point the mods are going to give you The Axe.

Edited February 29, 2016 by kliq

[TheXym 2,606]

I love this argument from a Red Wings fan. It's hilarious. Datsyuk since 2002 has played with 26 hall of famers, but Toews is the only guy who has a good supporting cast.

http://redwings.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=43925

List of Red Wings Hall of Famers. (International Hockey Hall of Fame. Who knows, Bill could be talking about some other Hall of Fame...)

Spoiler alert: the actual number is nowhere near 26, but I'll let bygones be bygones and consider the hyperbole as water under the bridge.

Edited February 29, 2016 by TheXym

[Euro_Twins 4,476]

You know its true.

Ya about as true as the leafs winning the Stanley cup this year. You kind of remind of a former member here who got banned. Can't quite put my memory on what his username was though...

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Take all his Russian teammates, and current teammates who will make it, and you guys can clearly see the point. The supporting cast for Datsyuk isnt exactly baron.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Why do people always assume praising Toews means Pasha is less? They are totally different players , Pasha in his prime was according to his fellow NHL hands down the most purely skilled guy. Toews is a great leader coming through when it matters, he will never lead the league in points but he does everything well. So why is pointing that out a problem?

There are tons of great players doesn't mean Pasha isn't elite and ridiculously skilled

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Why do people always assume praising Toews means Pasha is less? They are totally different players , Pasha in his prime was according to his fellow NHL hands down the most purely skilled guy. Toews is a great leader coming through when it matters, he will never lead the league in points but he does everything well. So why is pointing that out a problem?

There are tons of great players doesn't mean Pasha isn't elite and ridiculously skilled

Well said. Datayuk is phenominal. But it's ok to respect another player's greatness too.

[kickazz 5,459]

Well said. Datayuk is phenominal. But it's ok to respect another player's greatness too.

But it's called overrating a player when you say he's better than one of the best players in the world (in his prime)

Which is what everyone has been trying to tell you.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

Count em up

Since 2002, meaning starting in 2003?

Yzerman, Fedorov, Shanahan, Hull, Robitaille, Larionov, Chelios, Lidstrom, Hasek, Modano, Alfredsson. That's 11 players.

If Zetterberg, Joseph or Hossa ever make it, I suppose you can say he played with 14. I hope I didn't miss anyone, but I'm pretty sure I didn't miss 12 players.

Take all his Russian teammates, and current teammates who will make it, and you guys can clearly see the point. The supporting cast for Datsyuk isnt exactly baron.

You can't use national team players. If that were the case, then Scott Hannan played with about 15 Hall of Famers. Actually, if you're adding to my list, only Ovechkin is a sure lock. I don't think Kovalchuk or Kovalev will make it there.

Edited February 29, 2016 by GMRwings1983

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Since 2002, meaning starting in 2003?

Yzerman, Fedorov, Shanahan, Hull, Robitaille, Larionov, Chelios, Lidstrom, Hasek, Modano, Alfredsson. That's 11 players.

If Zetterberg, Joseph or Hossa ever make it, I suppose you can say he played with 14. I hope I didn't miss anyone, but I'm pretty sure I didn't miss 12 players.

You can't use national team players. If that were the case, then Scott Hannan played with about 15 Hall of Famers. Actually, if you're adding to my list, only Ovechkin is a sure lock. I don't think Kovalchuk or Kovalev will make it there.

You guys all got the point. Datsyuk has been surrounded by talent just as Toews is surrounded by talent. I just wanted to get that argument buried, because it's not an easy one to measure and it looks to favor Datsyuk, if either of the 2. Are we agreed now?

[kickazz 5,459]

Are we agreed now?

No

[Bill Berzeench 310]

No

So we cant even agree that both Datsyuk and Toews have each played with great players? Geez

[kickazz 5,459]

So we cant even agree that both Datsyuk and Toews have each played with great players? Geez

Look at the players Datsyuk plays with NOW. He's 37 years old and has a better PPG rate than Toews. Datsyuk has a s***ty roster since Lidstrom left and STILL puts up great numbers even though he's OLD. Get over it. Prime Datsyuk is better than Prime Toews.

Bad knees, ankle torn which required surgery. 37 years old. And still puts up better numbers than Toews. Lol. I can't even imagine the fool he would make out of Toews on ice if they went one on one and Datsyuk was still 27 years old. He'd probably run circles around the guy.

The NHL players themselves have said they would take Datsyuk in a clutch moment over anyone. 2:11 as Shanahan says "If you have to pick one centerman to win a game, I'd pick Pavel Datsyuk"

End of story.

Edited February 29, 2016 by kickazz

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Look at the players Datsyuk plays with NOW. He's 37 years old and has a better PPG rate than Toews. Datsyuk has a s***ty roster since Lidstrom left and STILL puts up great numbers even though he's OLD. Get over it. Prime Datsyuk is better than Prime Toews.

Even if Toews wins the cup and gets the conn smythe again this year?

[NerveDamage 4,176]

this won't settle this argument, but you be the Judge...

which one will you remember?

*sidenote: the goalie is Howard, shootouts are not his specialty

Edited February 29, 2016 by NerveDamage

[kickazz 5,459]

Even if Toews wins the cup and gets the conn smythe again this year?

Toews can win 20 more cups and sign your shoulder as "I LOVE THE AXE" and Datsyuk would still be twice the player Toews would be.

this won't settle this argument, but you be the Judge...

which one will you remember?

I'll remember the Toews one because TSN and rest of Canada tells me that he's the bestest.

Edited February 29, 2016 by kickazz

[NerveDamage 4,176]

I'll remember the Toews one because TSN and rest of Canada tells me that he's the bestest.

Too bad man, We'll be rockin' it in Hockeytown should you ever change your mind.

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Toews can win 20 more cups and sign your shoulder as "I LOVE THE AXE" and Datsyuk would still be twice the player Toews would be.

I'll remember the Toews one because TSN and rest of Canada tells me that he's the bestest.

I hate Toews. I'd shove the sharpie down his throat if he came up to me to sign anything. I just appreciate silent assassins. Not flashy, but collecting hardware right and left.