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3/13 GDT : Toronto Maple Leafs at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

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The other stupid thing about "Zetterberg should retire" philosophy is that he still plays 75+ games a year and plays the most minutes among forwards on the team (next to Datsyuk).

It's not like he's unable to play hockey. So what the hell kind of logic warrants a retirement.

This is no different than when the morons called for Yzerman's retirement. But Yzerman played with one good leg and won a Stanley cup. Ended up shutting up a lot of people.

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And what does making the playoffs do? This team can't a series of good games together and then they'll face Washington or Tampa..This wouldn't end well.

Being realistic is not throwing in the towel it's wanting necessary changes in order to set the team up for a brighter future.

Making the playoffs, at the very least, gives our young guys NHL playoff experience. At best, a shot at the Cup. I know that doesn't seem too realistic at the moment, but the NHL playoffs are very unpredictable. Injuries, slumps, hot streaks, and pressure all play a factor. As Wings fans, we should know this better than anyone. Each of those factors led us to an early exit or a championship at some point over the past 25 years. We nearly beat TB last year and Washington, despite all the good regular seasons they've had, have never really done anything in the history of the playoffs. Ever.

Being realistic is giving young players and a young coach time to develop at the NHL level. Not everyone is a Crosby/Ovechkin level superstar that makes an immediate impact right away. As for the "overpriced" vets, that some of you want to get rid of, they're the difference between us being a playoff team or a team like the Edmonton Oilers. Vets help the young players get up to speed quicker. Guys like Richards, Quincey, Helm, and Green are necessary components of a quick and successful rebuilding process.

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New guy here and a Wings fan for about 40 years ... :bye: Been a long-time reader of the forum and have always enjoyed everyone's hockey knowledge, point of view, and sense of humor. I guess last night's poor performance has finally got me off the sidelines and compelled me to throw something out there for consideration by you all.

I agree with the earlier post saying that Nyquist, Tartar, and Sheahan aren't picking up the torch like we need them to. I also must say that I thought Blashill was supposed to be the perfect guy to take over for Babcock because he knows all of these younger guys, they can relate to him better, and therefore, deliver better results. I'm not saying Babcock would've done better this year... Who the heck knows? But I'm asking your opinion on how much responsibility Blashill has in this team underperforming a good part of the year. If it wasn't for certain people getting hot at different times, we wouldn't even we talking about the playoffs at this point... Thanks! :bye1:

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Mantha, Tangradi, and XO need to be brought up today. Pulkinnen, Jurco, and Marchenko need to sit. That was inexcusable yesterday.

Tangradi isn't an NHL player

New guy here and a Wings fan for about 40 years ... :bye: Been a long-time reader of the forum and have always enjoyed everyone's hockey knowledge, point of view, and sense of humor. I guess last night's poor performance has finally got me off the sidelines and compelled me to throw something out there for consideration by you all.

I agree with the earlier post saying that Nyquist, Tartar, and Sheahan aren't picking up the torch like we need them to. I also must say that I thought Blashill was supposed to be the perfect guy to take over for Babcock because he knows all of these younger guys, they can relate to him better, and therefore, deliver better results. I'm not saying Babcock would've done better this year... Who the heck knows? But I'm asking your opinion on how much responsibility Blashill has in this team underperforming a good part of the year. If it wasn't for certain people getting hot at different times, we wouldn't even we talking about the playoffs at this point... Thanks! :bye1:

75% system failure, 25% players not executing

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75% system failure, 25% players not executing

I disagree. We're not all that talented. Yeah, we have some european players who can make fancy dekes, but that by itself isn't everything.

The responsibility starts at the top. We have an owner and a family that is apathetic and more focused on their stupid baseball crap. The GM has immunity at his job and has lost his touch. The coaches are the next party to blame on the totem pole.

Even so, the coaches can only coach with what they're given. You think Blashill wants to coach a team that has Abdelkader on its top line? You think he likes having Ericsson playing on the top defensive pair? You think he's happy about having a bunch of small, soft forwards on the team? When most of the pieces suck, you can rearrange them all you want, but the final product will still have many holes. Every line combo you see on LGW has a hole on just about every line. Why do you think that is?

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A league designed for parity and the salary cap??

That's true also. But we're not handling it as well as our GM's reputation suggests we should. Seems like Holland surrounded himself with smart people who are now in other places having more success than him.

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I disagree. We're not all that talented. Yeah, we have some european players who can make fancy dekes, but that by itself isn't everything.

The responsibility starts at the top. We have an owner and a family that is apathetic and more focused on their stupid baseball crap. The GM has immunity at his job and has lost his touch. The coaches are the next party to blame on the totem pole.

Even so, the coaches can only coach with what they're given. You think Blashill wants to coach a team that has Abdelkader on its top line? You think he likes having Ericsson playing on the top defensive pair? You think he's happy about having a bunch of small, soft forwards on the team? When most of the pieces suck, you can rearrange them all you want, but the final product will still have many holes. Every line combo you see on LGW has a hole on just about every line. Why do you think that is?

I think Blashill is doing a great job with what he has, which by Wings standards isn't a whole lot.So funny before the season a lot of people were thinking a rookie coach could turn an aging team filled with patchworks closer to contender status, when even a veteran and the best coach in all of hockey barely got them in...And now people want him fired. I think Blashill isn't even on the top problems list right now.

I wish Mr. I would sell the other teams and just focus on making this franchise the go to place in the NHL again.

Whatever the outcome will be of this season changes will be needed and Holland should better get his act together because next year is Pashas last. Maybe to some 4 more games is worth hanging on but if the Wings would have done things right at least one hole would have been fixed by now.

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Imo Blashill and his system and coaching in general is unquestionably the wings biggest issue. This team used to know how to score, who can you possibly blame for this other than the system. The shots per game and possession number don't lie, wings are all of a sudden a piss poor offensive team. Powerplay and penalty kill fall apart. Compare the stats all the proof is there. Management doesn't see Blashill's first year as head coach as a success, even if they squeak into the playoffs. Wings may manage to seed the same as with Babs but the hockey team in general is much worse in every way aside from goaltending

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The other stupid thing about "Zetterberg should retire" philosophy is that he still plays 75+ games a year and plays the most minutes among forwards on the team (next to Datsyuk).

It's not like he's unable to play hockey. So what the hell kind of logic warrants a retirement.

This is no different than when the morons called for Yzerman's retirement. But Yzerman played with one good leg and won a Stanley cup. Ended up shutting up a lot of people.

Ok, no one is saying he should retire because he is the reason this team stinks. He is just a broken down shadow of himself, and if the Wings had more than 2-3 more talented people around him, he would NOT be our leading scorer. He cannot continue to carry this team on his back, its broken. If Holland does not get help to take the pressure off him, then he should retire, instead of continue to break his body down until he cannot move anymore. He's already way slower and less effective than he has ever been. The wear is killing him slowly.

Yzerman won a Cup on one leg, but he didn't have to carry that team on that one leg. The rest of the team won that Cup, Yzerman was there to lead them emtionally and spiritually more so than carrying the team on his broken body like Z is forced to. No doubt in anyone's mind that with or without Yzerman that year, they still win the Cup. The way Holland piles this team on Z (and Dats,) if he were to retire, or break in half, this team would falter, because there is no one as good who can carry this team. The point is, Holland better sell off all the s*** and get this team better and stop relying on Old Man Logan to carry this team, or he is going to break, and before he does that, I think he should retire, he half broken now.

We have to shed this team of the fat. Dump the duplicate players, and prove to Z and D that this team will win it again, sooner rather than later. Prove that he is hell bent on keeping this team in the playoffs every year and once again, become a serious threat every year. The future is here in Larkin, AA and now Mantha, but they need some now players to carry this team until the future is good enough to carry this team. Nyquist and Tatar are not it.

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Imo Blashill and his system and coaching in general is unquestionably the wings biggest issue. This team used to know how to score, who can you possibly blame for this other than the system. The shots per game and possession number don't lie, wings are all of a sudden a piss poor offensive team. Powerplay and penalty kill fall apart. Compare the stats all the proof is there. Management doesn't see Blashill's first year as head coach as a success, even if they squeak into the playoffs. Wings may manage to seed the same as with Babs but the hockey team in general is much worse in every way aside from goaltending

When was this? Last year we were 10th, but that was largely inflated by our powerplay. The year before we were 15th.

This year we're 23rd, but our best players are getting older and their games have dropped off. Guys like Nyquist and Tatar are no longer newcomers and aren't surprising people. The rest of the league has caught on to their weaknesses. There's no rhyme or reason for our defense to score goals. Too many plugs back there. Green is basically like a car you buy that ends up being a lemon. Kronwall looks done also. We have too many plugs playing top 6 roles, like Helm and Abdelkader. Look at this team on paper and tell me where the goals should come from.

Blashill is responsible for a lot of the powerplay woes, but the lack of talent and aging of the players is not primarily his fault.

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1. He is just a broken down shadow of himself, and if the Wings had more than 2-3 more talented people around him, he would NOT be our leading scorer.

2. If Holland does not get help to take the pressure off him, then he should retire, instead of continue to break his body down until he cannot move anymore. He's already way slower and less effective than he has ever been. The wear is killing him slowly.

Yzerman won a Cup on one leg, but he didn't have to carry that team on that one leg. The rest of the team won that Cup, Yzerman was there to lead them emtionally and spiritually more so than carrying the team on his broken body like Z is forced to. No doubt in anyone's mind that with or without Yzerman that year, they still win the Cup. The way Holland piles this team on Z (and Dats,) if he were to retire, or break in half, this team would falter, because there is no one as good who can carry this team. The point is, Holland better sell off all the s*** and get this team better and stop relying on Old Man Logan to carry this team, or he is going to break, and before he does that, I think he should retire, he half broken now.

We have to shed this team of the fat. Dump the duplicate players, and prove to Z and D that this team will win it again, sooner rather than later. Prove that he is hell bent on keeping this team in the playoffs every year and once again, become a serious threat every year. The future is here in Larkin, AA and now Mantha, but they need some now players to carry this team until the future is good enough to carry this team. Nyquist and Tatar are not it.

So let me get this straight.

Because Z is forced to carry the team and no longer can effectively he should RETIRE?!?!? Instead of signing new players or having other players fill in his shoes so he can fill a less stressful role (like Yzerman did the exactl example you just gave) you want him to RETIRE?

At the AGE OF 35???

LOL.

He's not 40 he's 35. LMAO.

Lefty I hope you never have to deliver someone bad news about their health. One fractured foot and you'd likely tell a poor old lady that she has 2 days to live or something dramatic and over the top.

Also the moment someone tells Z to retire the first thing he's going to do is laugh. The guy still puts up numbers and is on the verge of hitting 1000 points and locking in his Hall of Fame ballot. He ain't giving up that chance. Nobody would.

Side note - Z retiring would hurt our cap I believe. From a business perspective that would once again.. Be the dumbest option for Zetterberg and the Red Wings organization.

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