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Chipman seems to be running the jets like a small market team so I doubt they'll buy out Enstrom.

I mean, that team didn't even want to pay to captain so I'll doubt they are willing to pay a potential future Norris winner in trouba.

An offer sheet at around 8 x 8 with 20 mill signing bonus should be enough to get this guy too bad Holland doesn't do offer sheets :(

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Chipman seems to be running the jets like a small market team so I doubt they'll buy out Enstrom.

I mean, that team didn't even want to pay to captain so I'll doubt they are willing to pay a potential future Norris winner in trouba.

An offer sheet at around 8 x 8 with 20 mill signing bonus should be enough to get this guy too bad Holland doesn't do offer sheets :(

Many things wrong with this.

One: Can't offer 8 years. 7 years is the max.

Two: Can't offer $20M signing bonus (unless spanning multiple years). Max is about 14 million, depends on the cap.

Three: Trouba being a potential Norris winner is a stretch. Offensive skills seem only decent at best.

Four: Trouba right now is not worth close to $8M. That'd make him the 2nd highest paid defenseman in the NHL.

Five: Compensation for that would be 4 1st-round picks. Trouba is not worth close to that.

Six: That would create some serious cap problems for us.

Seven: Offer sheets are stupid. There is a reason why almost no one makes them.

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Many things wrong with this.

One: Can't offer 8 years. 7 years is the max.

Two: Can't offer $20M signing bonus (unless spanning multiple years). Max is about 14 million, depends on the cap.

Three: Trouba being a potential Norris winner is a stretch. Offensive skills seem only decent at best.

Four: Trouba right now is not worth close to $8M. That'd make him the 2nd highest paid defenseman in the NHL.

Five: Compensation for that would be 4 1st-round picks. Trouba is not worth close to that.

Six: That would create some serious cap problems for us.

Seven: Offer sheets are stupid. There is a reason why almost no one makes them.

One: the I'm always forgetting that damn

Two: Since when is the signing bonus capped?

Three: Trouba isn't even in his prime yet and offense isn't something a defender should be based on. Sure it's an nice asset but the first job is to clear the zone.

Four: Perfectly right keyword being right now who knows maybe he is going to be worth it in 2 years? Guy has so much potential

Five: Might be but given that the Wings can't find defensive gems maybe it's the best chance of landing another top pairing guy?

Six: Sell of some veterans problem solved

Seven: If done right they can be another tool to acquire help

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I absolutely love Trouba and I do think he has the potential to become a stud in a few years. In saying that, I would not offer sheet him and certainly not at $8M per. Like Buppy said, it would be a foolish move to offer sheet a player that right now, only has the potential to be that good, especially if the cost were our next 4 first round picks... I just hope Holland is calling Cheveldayoff to see if there can be a trade made to acquire him. We have a lot of nice pieces, it's time to move some to fill a huge need on the back end...

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One: the I'm always forgetting that damn

Two: Since when is the signing bonus capped?

Three: Trouba isn't even in his prime yet and offense isn't something a defender should be based on. Sure it's an nice asset but the first job is to clear the zone.

Four: Perfectly right keyword being right now who knows maybe he is going to be worth it in 2 years? Guy has so much potential

Five: Might be but given that the Wings can't find defensive gems maybe it's the best chance of landing another top pairing guy?

Six: Sell of some veterans problem solved

Seven: If done right they can be another tool to acquire help

One: max length deals are dangerous anyway

Two: Since always, or it would be circumvention.

Three: If you're paying a defenseman that much he'd better be a Norris caliber guy from the day you start paying him that.

Four: Who knows what he's going to be worth in two years is right. You might be paying a second pair guy $8 mil a year

Five: Trading 4 1st rounders for one guy is a bad idea, period.

Six: Can't sell what nobody is buying

Seven: Offer sheets are always matched unless the contract is so ridiculously bad the GM would be a complete moron for either offering it or matching it, that's why almost nobody does it. That means it's not a tool that can be used to acquire help

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So, if they have a NMC, they have to be protected and if they have a NTC, they don't? IF that is the case, then Nyquist would be fine, he has a NTC that kicks in after next season...anyway, if he, and certain other under-performing players this year, don't turn it back around and get back to 30 goals, I wouldn't waste my protection on them if they needed to be protected. Even though he's at 20 now, Tatar has under performed. At least he isn't getting overpaid ($2.75M) to score 20 goals though. (Not like it's $4.75M for less than 17 goals :ninja: ) I just might have to protect him because he makes what he makes...although, he will be a RFA at that time, will he need to be protected if he isn't under contract? Datsyuk similar, he'll be a UFA that summer. When is the expansion draft, before or after July 1st? AA and Jurco will also be RFA's that summer...

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So, if they have a NMC, they have to be protected and if they have a NTC, they don't? IF that is the case, then Nyquist would be fine, he has a NTC that kicks in after next season...anyway, if he, and certain other under-performing players this year, don't turn it back around and get back to 30 goals, I wouldn't waste my protection on them if they needed to be protected. Even though he's at 20 now, Tatar has under performed. At least he isn't getting overpaid ($2.75M) to score 20 goals though. (Not like it's $4.75M for less than 17 goals :ninja: ) I just might have to protect him because he makes what he makes...although, he will be a RFA at that time, will he need to be protected if he isn't under contract? Datsyuk similar, he'll be a UFA that summer. When is the expansion draft, before or after July 1st? AA and Jurco will also be RFA's that summer...

Typically, expansion drafts have been just prior to the regular draft. So before July 1st.

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Ok, so then all the pending RFA and UFA will have to be protected or exposed....including Datsyuk.

This just made me realize that Datsyuk and his NMC will still be on the roster at the likely time of the expansion draft. May be forced to protect him.

Kind of sucks if true. We may not know if he even wants to play the following year. Even if he did, I'm not sure an expansion team would take a chance on a guy who'd be an UFA a week later. Hopefully, any potential forced protection of NMC players wouldn't include players whose contracts (or clauses) expire that year.

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True, a team would be crazy to claim him or any other pending UFA, because as a UFA, they would be free to look elsewhere on July 1st, or in his case retire. Why take the risk... RFA on the other hand, you'd claim their rights. Our RFA's would have to be protected if you didn't want to chance the loss.

So in that scenario, I think Datsyuk gets left unprotected.

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Alright so expansion is happening officially , so who do we protect?

We leave an aging zetterberg and kronwall unprotected and hope no one claims them ?

Course things can change but as of now I got

Mantha athanasiou bertuzzi abdelkader sheahan and one of Tatar/nyquist

Dekeyser and 1 or 2 of sproul ouellet marchenko and/or whomever else we might get through a trade

And of course mrazek

Bertuzzi hasn't done anything yet in the NHL but I think he can be a really good bottom 6 guy that shows up in the playoffs , and I'm sure this Vegas team will try and get some young kids with talent whether it be from the ahl or NHL and I wouldn't want to risk losing him

Again anything can change and will probably change ....we're lucky we don't have to waste a spot on Larkin and Russo

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Too early for me. We don't know yet who would have to be protected or who could be exposed. Or even if it's going to be the same format of players from the last expansion draft. I have a good idea who I'd protect, but without an accurate list in front of me, I can't say for sure... I definitely wouldn't protect Zetterberg or Kronwall in two years time though...

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I thought it was announced already how the expansion draft would work? Didn't an article come out a few days ago?

Players with 2 yrs pro, NHL or ahl would be exempt which means Larkin and Russo that come to mind would be safe but players like mantha,bertuzzi wouldn't

Like you said though , we might make some deals this off season and add a dman or someone worth protecting ... I just hope we protect the kids we been developing such as mantha and bertuzzi

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Things can change from now until the expansion draft, but some reputable sources have already discussed the proposed rules. General Fanager added a tool to their site, which includes exempt players and players who meet the 70-game criteria (although, they didn't include the option to protect eight skaters and one goaltender, for some reason) - http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/expansion

Here's a breakdown of the reported rules, too:

Based on the rules reported to date (from Chris Johnston of Sportsnet and James Mirtle of the Globe and Mail), the following rules apply to what each of the existing 30 NHL teams can protect entering the 2017 NHL Expansion Draft:

  • Players with two years of professional experience or less are exempt from the process.
  • Players with NMCs must be protected, but may be exposed if the player agrees to waive his NMC
  • Teams can protect 7 forwards, 3 defensemen and 1 goaltender
  • Teams must expose 2 forwards and 1 defenseman that play 40 games in the 2016-17 season or 70 games between the 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons. Players that have already exceeded the 70 game threshold are denoted as 70, players projected to exceed either the 40/70 game thresholds are denoted as 40/70.
  • Teams must expose one goaltender who is either under contract for 2017-18 or an RFA in the 2017 off-season.

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Where is everyone at this point?

Do we protect Kronwall? Personally i think you just protect him DK and Green. The rest of our D may not be selected at all anyway.

Protect all our forwards besides Sheahan.

Protect Mrazek and expose Howard.

In regards to FA, Vegas gets a head start on negotiating right? So what happens with a guy like Tatar? Vegas cant draft him, but can Vegas talk to him even if hes an RFA? Whens the last chance we can extend him b4 he hits the market?

 

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2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Where is everyone at this point?

Do we protect Kronwall? Personally i think you just protect him DK and Green. The rest of our D may not be selected at all anyway.

Protect all our forwards besides Sheahan.

Protect Mrazek and expose Howard.

In regards to FA, Vegas gets a head start on negotiating right? So what happens with a guy like Tatar? Vegas cant draft him, but can Vegas talk to him even if hes an RFA? Whens the last chance we can extend him b4 he hits the market?

I protect:

F - Nielsen, Zetterberg, AA, Mantha, Nyquist, Tatar, Helm

D - DD, Green, Sproul (though I give strong consideration to XO)

G - Mrazek

I protect Helm over Abby because despite what some may think, I think Vegas takes on Helm's contract, Abby's I cant see them wanting due to the term.

I wouldn't protect Kronwall, with his knees being what they are, I cant see Vegas taking him. My top choice would be for him to recover 100%, but from what I read its a chronic issue that is not getting much better. Plus if he is taken, it just helps us cap wise. As for Green, I protect him because he could end up landing us a 1st or 2nd rounder next year.

I am just hoping that Vegas takes either Howard or E, I would even be okay with Sheahan. Best case scenario is they take E, we trade Howard, trade Franzen's contract to a floor team, and Kronwall officially goes on LTIR. Those 4 things happen and we are good cap wise. Yes, I realize this is wishful thinking, and wont happen lol but one can hope. Not to mention within the next 18 months we lose the cap hits for Green, Miller, Ott, Vanek, Smith and Vitale (about 14.3 million).

The reason I care about Franzen's contract is because LTIR only goes so far, and I have a strong feeling that both Kronwall and Z will end up there at some point and I would rather make room now opposed to scramble later.

Does anyone know if this is done live on TV? Or is it done behind closed doors and we find out the results after the fact?

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Today:

Nielsen, Z, AA, Mantha, Tatar, Abby, Helm

DD, XO, Sproul

Mrazek

If we trade one of Nyquist/Tatar:

Nielsen, Z, AA, Mantha, Abby, Helm, Nyquist(if Tatar is traded, back to him if Nyquist is dealt)

If we re-sign Vanek,  he takes the 7th spot and exposes both Nyquist and Tatar. 

Ideal situation with or without trade is to wait until after expansion draft to sign Vanek of course.

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4 hours ago, kliq said:

I protect:

F - Nielsen, Zetterberg, AA, Mantha, Nyquist, Tatar, Helm

D - DD, Green, Sproul (though I give strong consideration to XO)

G - Mrazek

I protect Helm over Abby because despite what some may think, I think Vegas takes on Helm's contract, Abby's I cant see them wanting due to the term.

I wouldn't protect Kronwall, with his knees being what they are, I cant see Vegas taking him. My top choice would be for him to recover 100%, but from what I read its a chronic issue that is not getting much better. Plus if he is taken, it just helps us cap wise. As for Green, I protect him because he could end up landing us a 1st or 2nd rounder next year.

I am just hoping that Vegas takes either Howard or E, I would even be okay with Sheahan. Best case scenario is they take E, we trade Howard, trade Franzen's contract to a floor team, and Kronwall officially goes on LTIR. Those 4 things happen and we are good cap wise. Yes, I realize this is wishful thinking, and wont happen lol but one can hope. Not to mention within the next 18 months we lose the cap hits for Green, Miller, Ott, Vanek, Smith and Vitale (about 14.3 million).

The reason I care about Franzen's contract is because LTIR only goes so far, and I have a strong feeling that both Kronwall and Z will end up there at some point and I would rather make room now opposed to scramble later.

Does anyone know if this is done live on TV? Or is it done behind closed doors and we find out the results after the fact?

I agree with everything here. The only thing I'd possibly change is, I'd shop Green hard at this year's deadline, and if we can get a decent return for him, I'd move him now so we could protect both Sproul and Ouellet. A few months ago, I had no interest in protecting Ouellet, but he has really exceeded my expectations. I think he has been one of our better defensemen this season, and although Sproul hasn't (had the opportunity to) impress yet, I still think his potential is way too high to lose for nothing, and I do think he would be the perfect player for an expansion team if he were left unprotected...

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I believe we´ve got to wait till TDL and re-signs, one single move could easily change the whole scenario. 

I´ve been playing that capfriendly game several times (there are some funny auto-protect picks, like Wings exposing AA, or Ducks exposing Silfverberg) and it´s really not so easy. 

But what I´ve mentioned there - most critical point for LV will be to get twenty players signed for 17/18. I believe they will be pickng ´not the best´ options sometimes to keep option to grab other players w/o contract. 

Anyway, Wings aren´t in the worst situation, let´s see Pens with goalies (unless MAF gets traded), or Jets with their D. 

This is going to be completely new team, I´d not be surprised, if aiming for Kroner or other similar veterans with 2-3 years in term. 

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