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Watching the gymnastics some people do to defend their boy, whoever it happens to be, is pretty entertaining.

Mantha was a defensive liability who wasn't producing. So are several other players, but most of them have a history of producing in the NHL, at moreso than Mantha does. Hollands quote, while harsh, was accurate. Mantha wasn't a key player for the Griffs last year. Expecting him from going from a decent AHL player to the savior in Detroit is asinine.

For Christ sakes Nobody every said Martha would be the savior , fact is he's a talented kid that can shoot the puck and is a if body in front of the net that can help our powerplay , how's taking him away gonna help a team that's had problems scoring all season long?

Athanasiou had also shown a lot of promise and skill and he's on a 4th line barely playing instead of getting significantly more playing time

Andersson brings the same to the team like a glendening can,helm and others

Lets just say it like it is our coach is a chicken s*** and would rather play it safe with the veterans than playing younger kids ... Don't come here and complain when we're scoring 1 goal a game

Because Andersson is a battle hardened warrior, deadly as they come - worthy of all the ice time he gets. It takes Steph Curry 0.4 Seconds to score as many points as Mantha did in 10 games. #notdeadly

#YesWeCandersson

#ElChapoAndersson

#YesYouCandersson

Hold on, was that intelligence you just employed? I thought we weren't supposed to use such tools when discussing the potential impact a rookie will have in the Stanley Cup Playoffs? He had 3 points in 10 games... You mean he isn't going to solve all of our offensive problems even though we know he's awful defensively, and creates further stress on Pavel Datsyuk in his own end?

Hmm.... So you're saying that relying on a veteran in a 4th line capacity, while allowing the elite superstar (in the making) - who by the way sucked absolute donkey d*** last year - to develop his game in Grand Rapids is not a terrible coaching decision? This seems too rational.

Andersson is a hardened warrior ... Let's hope so he's gonna need it if he's gonna be a career ahler

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What happens if we win game 1 and lose 4 in a row after ? You were right and we were wrong ?

Who the f*** made you the expert

And where was all this Andersson love when he was here last year ?

Shoot, you mean there's a legitimate chance Andersson doesn't get a hat trick tommorow or win the Conn Smythe this season? It's surreal to envision, but I guess I won't be known as an expert anymore if that scenario doesn't materialize.

#YesWeCandersson

#ConnSmythe2016

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For Christ sakes Nobody every said Martha would be the savior , fact is he's a talented kid that can shoot the puck and is a if body in front of the net that can help our powerplay , how's taking him away gonna help a team that's had problems scoring all season long?

Athanasiou had also shown a lot of promise and skill and he's on a 4th line barely playing instead of getting significantly more playing time

Andersson brings the same to the team like a glendening can,helm and others

Lets just say it like it is our coach is a chicken s*** and would rather play it safe with the veterans than playing younger kids ... Don't come here and complain when we're scoring 1 goal a game

Andersson is a hardened warrior ... Let's hope so he's gonna need it if he's gonna be a career ahler

Ahh I'm pretty sure I said Andersson was a battle hardened warrior, deadly as they come. Edited by WingedWheel91

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Yeah, anyone that thinks Mantha should be in the lineup over Andersson are obviously saying that Mantha is our savior... Unreal... If Mantha were given the chance, I guarantee he would have a much bigger positive impact on the series than Andersson. Joakim Andersson is not a good hockey player. He can win faceoffs, that is it, and faceoffs alone are not going to win us this series...

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Yeah, anyone that thinks Mantha should be in the lineup over Andersson are obviously saying that Mantha is our savior... Unreal... If Mantha were given the chance, I guarantee he would have a much bigger positive impact on the series than Andersson. Joakim Andersson is not a good hockey player. He can win faceoffs, that is it, and faceoffs alone are not going to win us this series...

Please don't refer to him as simply "Andersson".

A player this deadly, deserves a deadly handle.

It's #ElChapoAnderson to you pal.

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Why the f*** do people keeo saying Mantha isn't suited for the 4th line? No s***! You know who is suited for the 4th line? Helm, Sheahan, Glendening. You know who isn't suited for the NHL? Andersson. Scratch Andersson, play 3 guys that would make a scary shutdown line, and use Mantha in the top 9, where he can actually contribute offensively...

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Why the f*** do people keeo saying Mantha isn't suited for the 4th line? No s***! You know who is suited for the 4th line? Helm, Sheahan, Glendening. You know who isn't suited for the NHL? Andersson. Scratch Andersson, play 3 guys that would make a scary shutdown line, and use Mantha in the top 9, where he can actually contribute offensively...

Great idea genius.

How the heck is El Chapo Andersson going to capture that elusive Conn Smythe from the AHL?

Makes no sense to me.

But MANTHA.... Nothing says "Top 6" in the NHL playoffs against the Stanley Cup runner up like 10 GP with 3 points to show for it.

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Right now we got Tatar, Nyquist, AA who can't play defense but have proven to be able to score and be effective in a limited role and that's enough of those kind of guys. We can't have half the team unable to take defensive zone face offs

Mantha dominating the AHL playoffs And being a go to guy is more beneficial for his development anyways. He hasn't come close to being the leader offensively of the Griffins so that's a little concerning

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Right now we got Tatar, Nyquist, AA who can't play defense but have proven to be able to score and be effective in a limited role and that's enough of those kind of guys. We can't have half the team unable to take defensive zone face offs

Mantha dominating the AHL playoffs And being a go to guy is more beneficial for his development anyways. He hasn't come close to being the leader offensively of the Griffins so that's a little concerning

Sorcery!!!

You know what's wierd about the Mantha fans... They don't realize that all of the evidence they provide as to why he should be in the lineup - actually supports a guy like Teemu Pulkinnen even more. But he's 6'5!!! Which is good when you actually hit someone - irrelevant when you don't. If we are in desperate need of a proven AHL goal scorer who's lethal on the PP and afraid to hit someone, what makes Manthas resume better than Teemu's?

Actually, what has Mantha ever done better than Pulkinnen at the AHL/NHL level across the board? Goals? Nope. Assists. Nope. Elite Defensive Play? Nope. Use of size? LOL

#YesWeCandersson

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Sorcery!!!

You know what's wierd about the Mantha fans... They don't realize that all of the evidence they provide as to why he should be in the lineup - actually supports a guy like Teemu Pulkinnen even more. But he's 6'5!!! Which is good when you actually hit someone - irrelevant when you don't. If we are in desperate need of a proven AHL goal scorer who's lethal on the PP and afraid to hit someone, what makes Manthas resume better than Teemu's?

Actually, what has Mantha ever done better than Pulkinnen at the AHL/NHL level across the board? Goals? Nope. Assists. Nope. Elite Defensive Play? Nope. Use of size? LOL

#YesWeCandersson

I'd actually say his size was pretty effective along the boards.

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What happens if we win game 1 and lose 4 in a row after ? You were right and we were wrong ?

Who the f*** made you the expert

And where was all this Andersson love when he was here last year ?

Shoot, you mean there's a legitimate chance Andersson doesn't get a hat trick tommorow or win the Conn Smythe this season? It's surreal to envision, but I guess I won't be known as an expert anymore if that scenario doesn't materialize.

#YesWeCandersson

#ConnSmythe2016

Sorry to be the messenger and hurt your massive ego but your far from the expert , where was this Andersson love before he got called up? Did you pick him up in a bar last weekend ?

3 points in 10 games, 2 of them n the PP where he's been replaced. He's not suited to the role they want from the 4th line.

What has brad Richards done on the ppl? Or anyone else for that matter ? Let's not play games , he's just being s*** on cause he's the kid and the easy target

Loads of players have went on long streaks this season without a goal

Hey Let's blame mantha

Why the f*** do people keeo saying Mantha isn't suited for the 4th line? No s***! You know who is suited for the 4th line? Helm, Sheahan, Glendening. You know who isn't suited for the NHL? Andersson. Scratch Andersson, play 3 guys that would make a scary shutdown line, and use Mantha in the top 9, where he can actually contribute offensively...

You know who doesn't belong on the 4th line? Athanasiou ... But hey he's a kid

I'm starting to think we're dealing with holland's family members here ... Well and the obvious boy crush on Anderson over here

Great idea genius.

How the heck is El Chapo Andersson going to capture that elusive Conn Smythe from the AHL?

Makes no sense to me.

But MANTHA.... Nothing says "Top 6" in the NHL playoffs against the Stanley Cup runner up like 10 GP with 3 points to show for it.

Can anyone call up ken holland and put this moron on the team and give him powerplay time ?

It be nice to see him rammed into the boards ... It be worth the 5 minute penalty kill and multiple goals we'd be letting in

Right now we got Tatar, Nyquist, AA who can't play defense but have proven to be able to score and be effective in a limited role and that's enough of those kind of guys. We can't have half the team unable to take defensive zone face offs

Mantha dominating the AHL playoffs And being a go to guy is more beneficial for his development anyways. He hasn't come close to being the leader offensively of the Griffins so that's a little concerning

Problem is Tatar and nyquist along with multiple offensive players we have , have proven they can go on very long stretches without scoring goals ... And athanasiou on a 4th , that makes no sense

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Sorry to be the messenger and hurt your massive ego but your far from the expert , where was this Andersson love before he got called up? Did you pick him up in a bar last weekend ?

What has brad Richards done on the ppl? Or anyone else for that matter ? Let's not play games , he's just being s*** on cause he's the kid and the easy target

Loads of players have went on long streaks this season without a goal

Hey Let's blame mantha

You know who doesn't belong on the 4th line? Athanasiou ... But hey he's a kid

I'm starting to think we're dealing with holland's family members here ... Well and the obvious boy crush on Anderson over here

Can anyone call up ken holland and put this moron on the team and give him powerplay time ?

It be nice to see him rammed into the boards ... It be worth the 5 minute penalty kill and multiple goals we'd be letting in

Problem is Tatar and nyquist along with multiple offensive players we have , have proven they can go on very long stretches without scoring goals ... And athanasiou on a 4th , that makes no sense

Right next to Jose Canseco on Twitter - you may be the most un-intentionally funny person on the Internet.

Try and be more serious though

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Right.

Please don't board me with such meaningless justifications!!!

If anyone can retrieve pucks for Pav we know it's Helm.

#YesWeCandersson

Why can't Anderson retrieve the puck? Is the oh great only limited to faceoffs? Can he only play 5 minutes of hockey or less or his greatness will be tarnished ?

Right next to Jose Canseco on Twitter - you may be the most un-intentionally funny person on the Internet.

Try and be more serious though

Haa look who's ******* talking ... Your Andersson jokes are over kill already

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This thread makes me wonder...any mods around here? ;)

No way we're on topic!

Mantha is awful and Andersson is my choice for Conn Smythe.

Let's try and get 3 more pages of people who think I'm being serious.

Love this site.

#YesWeCandersson

Why can't Anderson retrieve the puck? Is the oh great only limited to faceoffs? Can he only play 5 minutes of hockey or less or his greatness will be tarnished ?

Haa look who'sf****** talking ... Your Andersson jokes are over kill already

LOL - Ok so he does have a pulse.

How can it be overkill if you just got that it was a joke?

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Man, this thread has taken a turn... I apologize for contributing to the nonsense earlier.

For Christ sakes Nobody every said Martha would be the savior , fact is he's a talented kid that can shoot the puck and is a if body in front of the net that can help our powerplay , how's taking him away gonna help a team that's had problems scoring all season long?

Athanasiou had also shown a lot of promise and skill and he's on a 4th line barely playing instead of getting significantly more playing time

Andersson brings the same to the team like a glendening can,helm and others

Lets just say it like it is our coach is a chicken s*** and would rather play it safe with the veterans than playing younger kids ... Don't come here and complain when we're scoring 1 goal a game
...

So we'd score 1 goal a game with Andersson; what would you expect with Mantha?
People getting all worked up over this like it makes some huge difference. Like it's so unbelievably stupid to not have him on the team. But at the same time you don't expect him to make a big difference.
Just a bunch of Mantha fans who want to see him play. Hopeful, maybe even optimistic, that he would be a difference maker but you wouldn't criticize him if he didn't. You have no real expectations for what he would do. Maybe some unquantifiable "look good" that he'd be sure to do since it's just a matter of your opinion. I get it, I want to see Pulk back in for the same reason. I'm just not getting bent out of shape about it.
I think we are all hopeful that Mantha will become an important part of this team sometime soon. But he isn't right now. Maybe he would be if given more of a chance. Maybe he wouldn't. We don't know. Whether or not he is a better option than the least significant player in our lineup isn't worth all the hostility.

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You guys are cute but what exactly are you talking about? I don't think Anderson is "SO VALUABLE" at all - I think that on April 12th 2016, he is better suited for a 1st Round Playoff match-up on our 4th Line than Mantha is. Do I wish we had a better option on our 4th line? Obviously.

Has Mantha shown he is a better option than Helm or Richards beside Datsyuk? No.

I think the question you posed is pretty debatable. What has Brad Richards done? Dude can't skate and provided all of 9 goals. Helm has played in the top-six for years and can't even crack 15 goals.

I am pretty confident with a larger sample size, Anthony Mantha would be a better option than either.

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No one is saying that Mantha alone will make a huge difference, but in a game of inches, a slight edge could be the difference in winning and losing. Whether or not he is a better option than the least significant player in our lineup is worth the debate in my opinion because again, that slight edge could put us over the top. I'd rather Mantha helping out offensively and on the power-play for 10-12 minutes a night than Andersson getting hemmed in his own zone and killing penalties for any minutes a night. The guy is not an NHL caliber player, evident a few months ago when he was sent through waivers and cleared. Mantha is top prospect and a great offensive weapon. The fact that anyone would pick the black hole over a "potential" game changer is mind numbing to me, but I think I've said all I can possibly say, and I've heard more than enough from the Andersson enthusiasts...

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I think the question you posed is pretty debatable. What has Brad Richards done? Dude can't skate and provided all of 9 goals. Helm has played in the top-six for years and can't even crack 15 goals.

I am pretty confident with a larger sample size, Anthony Mantha would be a better option than either.

Richards scored 10. Helm's been in the top 6 for 2 and half years, but he often slides down to the 3rd and 4th lines. Doesn't really effect your argument - just keeping things honest.

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Even if there is some argument for Mantha not playing (which I don't agree with), then why not Jurco over Andersson even? The PK/faceoff line is garbage. The Wings have more than enough guys to kill penalties and Andersson isn't even good at faceoffs.

I love how when the Wings called him up it was for "injury insurance", but everyone knew damn well he was going to dress in the playoffs. This organization is a farce when it comes to saying one thing and doing another entirely.

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Now I am just a fan. So my opinion and 2 bucks can buy me a coke somewhere. But how about a more informed opinion? Would Datsyuk qualify as a more informed opinion? he said he likes playing with Mantha on his line. Has he ever said that about helm? Nyquist? tatar? Andersson? The only other guy he went public for in support was Abby.

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Maybe Andersson is in over Mantha because "Zetterberg runs the team" and he wanted his Swedish teammate to play? I mean when Holland makes a statement "Anthony Mantha was just a spare part in the AHL" you know that's got to be the evil Zetterberg (muhahaha) writing Holland's script to the press.

"Kenny either you bring Andersson in for Mantha or I'll play even worse than I have been" - Zetterevilberg.

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